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If you need to turn the lights on and its before 10PM, by all means go ahead! Its not your fault they choose to get up at 0430 and wake the rest of us up.I am getting a little tired of the 5am club. They wake me up with their torches and noise at 5am, then go to bed with doors closed and lights off at 8pm, so I feel uncomfortable going to and from my stuff, chilling on my bunk. And worst of all I have to do my final next day prep with the lights off!
I'm not 100% serious as I am tolerant, as everyone has their own Camino, but I expect to be able to use my room functionally till 10pm.
Rant over!
I have gotten up at 0430 for decades. Sleeping until 0600 is a concession on my part! In my opinion nothing much good happens after 2100, so I like to be sleeping. I have a sleep mask and ear plugs, so the movement of other pilgrims does not bother me.why people do this - any feedback welcome.
I can't fathom leaving in the pitch dark, I can read terrain quite well during the day, even with a headlamp I wouldn't walk in pitch darkness, bad things happen in pitch darkness. There was a pilgrim who left at 0500 and was in a standoff with some dogs for over 90 minutes, he sure didn't save any time by leaving in the dark.I can understand people getting up and departing very early in the height of the summer, largely to avoid the heat later in the day, but I could not fathom why they were leaving before 6am in the pitch dark during April/May when I walked this year. There was no shortage of beds and no heat to worry about. I would be interested to know the reason why people do this - any feedback welcome.
I feel the Albergue should lay down and explain the rules to everyone that books in. No lights out till ten and no torches or noise till after 7am. I love a few glasses of vino and unwind with new friends in the evening then bed at ten and not a moment before. Its what makes the Camino for me but I will tolerate the early risers if they can tolerate me shuffling to bed at ten.
I have spread my dreams under your feet;I am getting a little tired of the 5am club. They wake me up with their torches and noise at 5am, then go to bed with doors closed and lights off at 8pm, so I feel uncomfortable going to and from my stuff, chilling on my bunk. And worst of all I have to do my final next day prep with the lights off!
I'm not 100% serious as I am tolerant, as everyone has their own Camino, but I expect to be able to use my room functionally till 10pm.
Rant over!
I'm with you brother. I plan to hike the Camino in April/May and if lights are turned off before the posted time, I'll simply turn them back on, unless it is apparent that everybody is ready for lights out. We red neck Kentuckians frown on unnecessary rudeness.I am getting a little tired of the 5am club. They wake me up with their torches and noise at 5am, then go to bed with doors closed and lights off at 8pm, so I feel uncomfortable going to and from my stuff, chilling on my bunk. And worst of all I have to do my final next day prep with the lights off!
I'm not 100% serious as I am tolerant, as everyone has their own Camino, but I expect to be able to use my room functionally till 10pm.
Rant over!
Where does turning the lights back on fit into that scheme?We red neck Kentuckians frown on unnecessary rudeness.
I am getting a little tired of the 5am club. They wake me up with their torches and noise at 5am, then go to bed with doors closed and lights off at 8pm, so I feel uncomfortable going to and from my stuff, chilling on my bunk. And worst of all I have to do my final next day prep with the lights off!
I'm not 100% serious as I am tolerant, as everyone has their own Camino, but I expect to be able to use my room functionally till 10pm.
Rant over!
I am getting a little tired of the 5am club.
I have gotten up at 0430 for decades. Sleeping until 0600 is a concession on my part! In my opinion nothing much good happens after 2100, so I like to be sleeping. I have a sleep mask and ear plugs, so the movement of other pilgrims does not bother me.
Well said. There is plenty to be irritated about if you want to be!!just because someone else might be a jerk is no reason or justification for me not to show some grace
Wow a lot of feeling there.
?..........none of it matters! Just enjoy the luxury of even having the experience.
It is the noise that is inconsiderate, not the getting up per se. Plastic bags really are a blight! Many early morning pilgrims are quite quiet. They prepack the night before, roll out of bed, grab their pack, and finish packing in the common areas or hallway.I just don't think that the early risers realise that they are being inconsiderate.
It is the noise that is inconsiderate, not the getting up per se.
Early in the morning having been woken by the plastic bag brigade, or the sweeping headlights in my eyes or any of the other ways those departing early have to disrupt the dormitory, I am far from being inclined to start a conversation of this or any other nature. If they leave early, I hope not to catch up with them. I just know that there will be someone else to replace them.Which was my point for open communication...perhaps they don't understand. And maybe a friendly conversation saying "hey listen how can we each help the other so our own journey can be what its supposed to?" might help the situation. Understanding and being open are the key here. Make a point of having a conversation...
Early in the morning having been woken by the plastic bag brigade, or the sweeping headlights in my eyes or any of the other ways those departing early have to disrupt the dormitory, I am far from being inclined to start a conversation of this or any other nature. If they leave early, I hope not to catch up with them. I just know that there will be someone else to replace them.
I can understand people getting up and departing very early in the height of the summer, largely to avoid the heat later in the day, but I could not fathom why they were leaving before 6am in the pitch dark during April/May when I walked this year. There was no shortage of beds and no heat to worry about. I would be interested to know the reason why people do this - any feedback welcome.
Im proud of you that you kept at it!I was one of those early risers and I did it because I was so utterly slow! If I didn't leave then, I'd have got to my destination too late. 20-25 kms always took me forever. Some days I did 17 km and left 'late' at 7.00 am, but I was still always late in! I did always try to be quiet though.
I think I came close to being angry in Castrojeriz, when I was asked to sleep in the common room because I snored, and was then woken by the early risers. Otherwise, it was just another part of the day, and I didn't really bother about it.I personally think this is so bloody trivial. Sorry but many are being incredibly petty here and I do think its entirely out of the Camino spirit. [snip] So dealing with the anger and the frustration is harder than a conversation? Really? [snip]
The earliest I left an albergue was about 7.30, and normally it was shortly after 8.00am. The early departures would have 1 1/2 to 2 hours walking already done by the time that I left. Not something I was going to catch up except perhaps at the end of the day if they had raced to the same town or village I had got to more slowly. I had little in common with the early starters, I clearly wasn't going to spend much time in their company on the path, so befriending them wasn't one of my priorities in the evening.[snip] Maybe you should take the time to catch up with them on the trail and get to know them...harder to be bitchy about someone you know as a friend. [snip]
While I might agree with Patti's overall assessment that this post verges on the trivial and petty, I don't agree with this assessment. Forum members have every right to vent their frustration. If it alerts someone yet to do their Camino about an issue they will need to deal with along the way and gives them some approaches to deal with that issue, that is even better.[snip]If you cannot deal with the way someone is behaving you have no right to bitch about them if you are not going to address the issue WITH THEM...at this point you are a part of the problem not the solution. Disconnect your anger and go talk to the people for heaven sake... How old are we???[snip]
Patti, I do find it rather interesting that you are so engaged in this discussion when you seem determined to avoid staying in albergues. Other than the one place I mentioned, the petty things like headlights and plastic bags were largely an annoyance, much as small buzzing insects are an annoyance. Wave them off.Tolerance. Communication. Understanding and...
[snip]
More determined than ever to take a tent...
Bueno Camino!
All I do is extend the head strap and carry the headlamp around my neck. Adjust the lamp angle so that it illuminates just ahead of you, where you are going to walk. Even if you swing around, the light doesn't normally shine into people's faces, but stays broadly pointing at the floor.Hi Dougfitz, the headlamp/flashlight around the neck...that sounds like a good idea, does it help solve the sweeping lighthouse effect of headlamp on head? I am definitely not an early riser but rather a middle-of-the-night loo visitor and am trying to learn ways if using a flashlight that will make it easier for those sleeping, yet save me from banging my toes on beds and backpacks. With that said, I did download a free flashlight app for my phone that has a red screen option, the problem is I have to go from bright white first before I can click to red.
Anyone who thinks that they are going to change the behavior of very many other pilgrims is delusional!!
Yep !!!
Advice number one will always be -- walk faster or slower than the 5 AM crowd as you have identified them, so as to avoid the albergues that they will be sleeping in.
They are a small minority among pilgrims, and they tend to gather in easily identifiable groups.
All I do is extend the head strap and carry the headlamp around my neck. Adjust the lamp angle so that it illuminates just ahead of you, where you are going to walk. Even if you swing around, the light doesn't normally shine into people's faces, but stays broadly pointing at the floor.
I am lucky enough to have a rather old Black Diamond lamp about the size of my thumb, which I can leave around my neck when I go to bed. That way I don't have to scramble around and look for it when I need to go to the toilets in the wee hours.
Thanks. I think I might have the same black diamond - will convert it to a necklace for a test run tonight.
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