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On the 22th of July i will fly to Santander and than go by bus to Oviedo; i will arrive there about 19.00 hrs
and probably the albergue will be full (and the comments are not very well). Any suggestions for a (cheap) place for an individual to sleep?
I don't know if the Pilgrims Office in Saint Jean has weather warnings and advice in various languages. But it seems to me that if pilgrims are specifically warned not to walk and then have to be rescued they should pay the full cost of the rescue operation.
Perhaps they now need to add Korean !They cover normally at least French, Spanish and English plus there is also often a pilgrim around to translate. Buen and Safe Camino! SY
I agree Don. Why would one have to be warned that is a hazardous time to walk over a mountain?I'm sorry but anyone who was around SJPdP over the weekend (28/2/15) didn't need to be warned about the weather, they just needed to open their eyes. The roads were closed to everything but emergency vehicles and the wind was blowing at a steady 60km/h. All of the television coverage was about closed ski resorts due to heavy snowfall and the risk of avalanches. What more do you need to know to stay put?
Completely agree. A few incidents followed by high charges, and lesson should be learned all over the place. To me, living in the Arctic, it is amazing to watch how people with no knowledge of the climate are behaving.I don't know if the Pilgrims Office in Saint Jean has weather warnings and advice in various languages. But it seems to me that if pilgrims are specifically warned not to walk and then have to be rescued they should pay the full cost of the rescue operation.
... Pyrenees+winter+snow+high winds+reduced visibility=possible "peregrino popsicle".....
Priceless! SY
Maybe they just need a card with the warning in many languages that they show to pilgrims when necessary?Perhaps they now need to add Korean !
Al, I totally agree with you, SY and JW about crafting some general warning information in different languages to hand out to Asian pilgrims in SJPdP (maybe for some cheeky English reader as well) but in the case of this recent storm: imagine you are standing in a driving rain storm, the wind is howling and the road signs say "barriere emergencie" what do you do walk through the water of a flooding creek, climb 1200 meters to the top of a mountain, I think not!Maybe they just need a card with the warning in many languages that they show to pilgrims when necessary?
Johnnie I agree 100% - all these fools have done is give all pilgrims a bad name.I don't know if the Pilgrims Office in Saint Jean has weather warnings and advice in various languages. But it seems to me that if pilgrims are specifically warned not to walk and then have to be rescued they should pay the full cost of the rescue operation.
Okay folks. I'm flying out of Winnipeg Manitoba Canada of April 5th, I was really hoping that once I had said goodbye to the snow we have here I wouldn't have to say hello to snow again until next December. Any extra effort you can put in to crank those temperatures up for my Camino start on April 9th out of SJPP would be greatly appreciated!! :>)Hi all!
We started on 1st March and were told to stick to option 2, the road. A couple of people decided to tackle the snow and told us they thought they were going to die.
At 07:30 on 2nd, Police asked if we had seen them, of which we didn't and it was bloody cold leaving Roncesvalles as you can see.
Loving the experience and common sense is required if you value you and others lives.
G
Hi all.
Most pilgrims who are lost are young Koreans.
All young Koreans I've met spoke very good English.
Most young Koreans living and studying in Europe. England and Germany especially.
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Koreans are also targets for theft because they are known to carry large amounts of cash.
I'm Asian, (Filipino) it seems that common sense isn't very common among asians.
That would turn northern Spain into a desert more dry and desolate than the Sahara.....Maybe we could channel some of the hot air on some of the threads in that direction?
Ditto....that's just too freaking cold.Great photo and at least the main road was cleared on Monday, enjoy your Camino. I'll do mine vicariously for the time being, thank you very much.
Thank you MikeYour beautiful photo explains the situation very well!
Hello all,
I am just as concerned about these tragedies as do all of you, but I'm also concerned about some of the assumptions expressed here. I am a Korean-American woman who has walked the full French Way twice in the last three years and will be doing my third starting May 7. Most Koreans do not speak or understand English well, although they have studied the language for many years. Most Korean pilgrims come straight from Korea with their Korean guide book and walk the Camino in a fairly brisk pace and go home. I agree they should have more common sense about the bad weather, but some young Korean have done a lot of winter mountain climbing and probably do not understand their limits well. I will post the warnings on the Korean Camino site and hope the problems abate.
Great idea! I'd be both honored and love to do any translation work for the office. Thanks for the suggestion! I will email separately.Thanks Kaylee - just an idea but why don't you contact the Pilgrims' Office in Saint Jean and offer to translate their weather warning for them. If you have time or know of other Korean pilgrims who speak English or Spanish perhaps you could also translate the Santiago Pilgrims' Office website? If so e mail me please johnniewalker-santiago@hotmail.com
I don't know if the Pilgrims Office in Saint Jean has weather warnings and advice in various languages. But it seems to me that if pilgrims are specifically warned not to walk and then have to be rescued they should pay the full cost of the rescue operation.
Firefighters from Burguete rescued last Tuesday four pilgrims in the SJPP-Roncesvalles stage. Three of them were cyclist who left SJPP with good weather, but they were unaware that Col de Lepoeder had heavy snow; they had to carry their bikes and were exhausted. They called 112-SOS Navarra from the Izandorre shelter, requesting advice; but the service took no risks and sent a rescue team in an off-road vehicle, that went as near as possible, and then walked to Izandorre.
Another pilgrim was also rescued the same day, same area; no more details are provided.
Judging by the photo, the condition of the path and weather were really difficult. See the note (in Spanish) here
There was some public debate about this in France some years ago, after a string of multiple stoopid mountain-hiker incidents in the Alps, but the outcome was that the pompiers and gendarmes and other rescue organisations would simply carry on rescuing all stoopid people as before, regardless of any potential changes to the Law, and they asked everyone to just shut up and let them do their jobs.
Hard to come up with a counter-argument to that ...
One post? We're you here before?There's really no reason for me to stay in this forum. I'll leave you and your comments alone.
I can't believe the weather was completely the opposite in SJPdP when they headed for Orisson/Roncesvalles. Shear stupidity, excuse my French...Firefighters from Burguete rescued last Tuesday four pilgrims in the SJPP-Roncesvalles stage. Three of them were cyclist who left SJPP with good weather, but they were unaware that Col de Lepoeder had heavy snow; they had to carry their bikes and were exhausted. They called 112-SOS Navarra from the Izandorre shelter, requesting advice; but the service took no risks and sent a rescue team in an off-road vehicle, that went as near as possible, and then walked to Izandorre.
Another pilgrim was also rescued the same day, same area; no more details are provided.
Judging by the photo, the condition of the path and weather were really difficult. See the note (in Spanish) here
I don't see it as the road. It's actually the circle without snow under the spruce.Judging by the photo, the photographer had to work to find a spot where the bomberos were actually walking in snow ... see the bare road behind them.
One post? We're you here before?
The reason why they don't fine people for putting themselves in bad situations and requiring rescue, is that they won't call if they are in a dire situation if they know up front that they will be fined.
The agencies tasked with rescuing people depend on funding based on how many times they go out on calls throughout the year, if the call numbers go down, so goes their funding for salaries, vehicles, etc.
I can't believe the weather was completely the opposite in SJPdP when they headed for Orisson/Roncesvalles. Shear stupidity, excuse my French...
I don't see it as the road. It's actually the circle without snow under the spruce.
That's really not how things work in France -- and I'm fairly sure not in Spain either.
Yes, fines do exist in France -- but you really need to have engaged in some deliberately stupid behaviour, contrary to official advice received from the gendarmerie or whomever (and by "advice" I mean "instructions"), rather than just to have done something stupid all on your own, before you're liable to be taken to Court over it.
And this is entirely independent of the public funding that is provided to these organisations, that are organised around the concept of public service and public protection and public safety.
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And besides :
Really ? You think people won't call the emergency services if their lives are in danger, just because they're worried about a fine ?
Even if that were so, it's basically just another argument against the broad introduction of such fines !!!
Emergency services should never become a privilege for those with fat wallets.
Thanks Jabba, but it seems like the link to the article disappeared, I can't find it in this thread anymoreOh really, "stupidity" ?
Did you bother to, I dunno, read the article ?
"Los tres peregrinos habían salido por la mañana de Saint Jean Pied de Port (Francia) con previsiones de buen tiempo, pero, al parecer, no les habían advertido de la gran acumulación de nieve en el Collado de Lepoeder y en el camino hacia el refugio"
They were given a forecast of "good weather" and nobody warned them about the snow on the ground.
In other words they were given bad info prior to setting out from SJPP. Is someone "stupid" because they're given false data ???
It's obviously the road.
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