- Time of past OR future Camino
- Frances 15,16,18
VdlP 23, Invierno 23, Fisterra 23
For 2024 Pilgrims: €50,- donation = 1 year with no ads on the forum + 90% off any 2024 Guide. More here. (Discount code sent to you by Private Message after your donation) |
---|
After 4 Caminos I firmly believe trail runners are the best option. I love them and have never had a blister or foot trouble.Having walked 3 Caminos in Salomon Lightweight Boots it's time for a change. To Trail Runners.
@davebugg These are the Hokas available in Sydney. Models keep changing.
Which would you recommend?
Hoka One One
WELCOME TO THE TEMPORARY HOME OF HOKA™ AUSTRALIA. We are about empowering everyone to feel like they can fly. A bold and unexpected approach to performance footwear and apparel.shop.hokaoneone.com.au
Try Altra Lone Peak - I used the LP 3.5, but the 4.0 model is out now. A bit hard to get in Oz currently though - new US supplier being sorted soon I hear. The zero drop is great as is the wide toe box. The Altra Timps are good also with more padding underfoot than the LPs. No blisters, lightweight and dry v’quickly.Having walked 3 Caminos in Salomon Lightweight Boots it's time for a change. To Trail Runners.
@davebugg These are the Hokas available in Sydney. Models keep changing.
Which would you recommend?
Hoka One One
WELCOME TO THE TEMPORARY HOME OF HOKA™ AUSTRALIA. We are about empowering everyone to feel like they can fly. A bold and unexpected approach to performance footwear and apparel.shop.hokaoneone.com.au
Having walked 3 Caminos in Salomon Lightweight Boots it's time for a change. To Trail Runners.
@davebugg These are the Hokas available in Sydney. Models keep changing.
Which would you recommend?
Hoka One One
WELCOME TO THE TEMPORARY HOME OF HOKA™ AUSTRALIA. We are about empowering everyone to feel like they can fly. A bold and unexpected approach to performance footwear and apparel.shop.hokaoneone.com.au
Try Altra Lone Peak - I used the LP 3.5, but the 4.0 model is out now. A bit hard to get in Oz currently though - new US supplier being sorted soon I hear. The zero drop is great as is the wide toe box. The Altra Timps are good also with more padding underfoot than the LPs. No blisters, lightweight and dry v’quickly.
Rob, do you need an extra wide shoe width, or are you comfortable walking in shoes that are the typical 'regular' width? That will help narrow down which Hoka One One model might be worth trying.
The Stinson ATR may suit you with the cushioning aspect, and it has a more aggressive tread pattern than the Bondi 6. You can compare those two, especially if you want to see how a 'wider' version feels which is only with the Bondi 6.
If you feel like you want a shoe with a bit beefier stability, I tend to like Gaviota 2. . . which is also available in a wider width if needed. It is a bit less 'plush' with cushioning but it has more motion control/stability than the Stinson or Bondi.
Many thanks Dave. I'll go try some.
The extra cushioning sounds good.
I discovered from my Podiatrist, who by the way is based at Sydney Olympic Park Sports Medicine Centre (so should know what he's doing I hope, that as we age we lose the natural cushioning on our heels!
Morrell Moab 2, ankle boot, just tried these on in a Merrell shop and pulled the laces, one of the fasteners pulled straight out and on closer inspection, they are attached to a layer of plastic. Hopeless construction....Merrell Moab Ventilators were my trusty loafers for last 2000 Kms and for my October Camino I will be investing in ankle paddling where its worn away but I was close to purchasing these bad boys
Any advice for plantar fascitis sufferers?My recommendation for walkers/hikers/backpackers are podiatrists who specialize in sports and with athletes. I'm glad you have access to one
The more cushioned Hoka models also seem to be a favorite for Podiatrists to recommend for those with a history of Plantar's Fasciitis.
Haha, I got insoles from a podiatrist, they were too high and I ended up with a stress fracture and lisfrancs joint injury, agonising walking like this. Be very careful, who you choose....I kept on saying, they were too high and the guy said I needed to persist. I was livid. Took me over a year to come kind of right, but only 90% recovered...My recommendation for walkers/hikers/backpackers are podiatrists who specialize in sports and with athletes. I'm glad you have access to one
The more cushioned Hoka models also seem to be a favorite for Podiatrists to recommend for those with a history of Plantar's Fasciitis.
I agree, they feel wonderful at first, but after an hour of walking, I can't stand the springiness, takes heaps of energy to get back up from the lowest point and my feet hurt. We are all so different...I have worn Hoka One Ones, Sauconys, Keens, and Asics, and have had good luck and no blisters, but the Hokas are my favorites! You just cannot beat the cushy, springy, marshmellow feel of them underfoot...I love them!
Sorry to hear that, Gitti. Yes, our feet are like our bodies...no two people's feet are exactly alike.I agree, they feel wonderful at first, but after an hour of walking, I can't stand the springiness, takes heaps of energy to get back up from the lowest point and my feet hurt. We are all so different...
Any advice for plantar fascitis sufferers?
Haha, I got insoles from a podiatrist, they were too high and I ended up with a stress fracture and lisfrancs joint injury, agonising walking like this. Be very careful, who you choose....I kept on saying, they were too high and the guy said I needed to persist. I was livid. Took me over a year to come kind of right, but only 90% recovered...
I did see a sports podiatrist...A Podiatrist friend told me that orthotics are a routine source of income. He believes too many of his colleagues are far too quick to prescribe their use.
Sports Podiatrists are far more attuned to the needs of athletes and hikers, and usually have more training and experience due to their specialty.
I did see a sports podiatrist...
Very sorry indeed!And apparently the gomer was horrid. Sorry.
Haha, sounds like somebody's had their weetabix. Can't comment on the ankle boot version. Mine is a walking shoe and having walked 2,000 Kms over varied terrain, laces still intact, eyelid's still as good as new, no plastic coming off shoe, and only wear is the fabric at the heel which can be expected after putting feet in and out several hundred time's, a shoe horn should really be used. My trusty loafers were £55 and in my opinion present excellent value for money. Some alternatives costs 3 time's this and would they perform any betterMorrell Moab 2, ankle boot, just tried these on in a Merrell shop and pulled the laces, one of the fasteners pulled straight out and on closer inspection, they are attached to a layer of plastic. Hopeless construction....
Had to Google "maximalist" to convince myself it's a real word. Any idea of the effect on the body of walking in thick soled shoes as opposed to running in them?How much cushioning is too much? Here is an interesting study to consider.
The study found that the Hokas caused greater impact forces and loading rates than the New Balances both before and after the six-week period. Why do these forces matter? Well, common sense tells us that the more the impact our legs and feet absorb, the higher our injury risk.
- New research published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine investigated whether runners’ biomechanics change after they train in maximalist shoes for six weeks.
- The study found that even after becoming acclimated to the mega-cushioned shoes, the runners’ biomechanics stayed the same, and their bodies continued to absorb more impact while running in maximalist shoes compared to regular trainers.
But here’s the tricky part: While the load may be greater overall in maximalist shoes, it’s absorbed by different body parts than more minimal shoes.
“We’re probably not lowering injury rates with different shoe types, we’re just choosing different injuries,” Richard Willy, Ph.D., a physical therapy and rehabilitation science professor at University of Montana who was not involved in the study, told Runner’s World.
I being my 5th camino in 10 days. I use to use Keen Tarhee III hiking boots. I now use Hoka Stinson ATR something. I love them. I am bring two pair with me. I will be switching out each week. I am walking a longer Camino combining the Frances with the Sanabrea. My total distance will be about 1100 kms. I love these Trail Runners. It took me two weeks to get use to the feel. I have great support in them. In my training I have only walked 6 miles in them. However, my feet do not hurt nor do I have hot spots. I wear Darn Tough ankle high socks. Buen CaminoHaving walked 3 Caminos in Salomon Lightweight Boots it's time for a change. To Trail Runners.
@davebugg These are the Hokas available in Sydney. Models keep changing.
Which would you recommend?
Hoka One One
WELCOME TO THE TEMPORARY HOME OF HOKA™ AUSTRALIA. We are about empowering everyone to feel like they can fly. A bold and unexpected approach to performance footwear and apparel.shop.hokaoneone.com.au
Dave, as you know I am in love with my Altras and owe it all to you. But I have a curiosity question. I used my silicone orthotics instead of the insole the shoes come with and had absolutely no ill effects. Is there typically a problem with upsetting the zero drop feature by adding orthotics?Altras are very good shoes, but they do require an additional set of evaluation criteria for the user's consideration if they have never worn an Altra shoe before.
For some folks, Altras are just not suitable. The 'zero drop concept' of the shoe's profile can take weeks for some folks to adapt to. Some folks never get used to them or dislike the 'feel'. For many people, they adapt immediately or very quickly and never look back.
I advise everyone that considers Altra, or other manufacturers of zero drop shoes, to allow a good amount of time for a proper evaluation of fit and feel. Even if they feel good out of the box, issues can develop days after one starts using them. This does not apply to those who have already been using zero drop shoes.
Most studies are done on runners, but the results can apply to walkers to a lesser extent.Had to Google "maximalist" to convince myself it's a real word. Any idea of the effect on the body of walking in thick soled shoes as opposed to running in them?
Altras are very good shoes, but they do require an additional set of evaluation criteria for the user's consideration if they have never worn an Altra shoe before.
For some folks, Altras are just not suitable. The 'zero drop concept' of the shoe's profile can take weeks for some folks to adapt to. Some folks never get used to them or dislike the 'feel'. For many people, they adapt immediately or very quickly and never look back.
I advise everyone that considers Altra, or other manufacturers of zero drop shoes, to allow a good amount of time for a proper evaluation of fit and feel. Even if they feel good out of the box, issues can develop days after one starts using them. This does not apply to those who have already been using zero drop shoes.
Okay... this may or may not be a dumb question but I need to know (since I am still looking for a shoe/boot to work for my next Camino. What is "zero drop" vs. and other "drop". What's "drop"?
Dave, as you know I am in love with my Altras and owe it all to you. But I have a curiosity question. I used my silicone orthotics instead of the insole the shoes come with and had absolutely no ill effects. Is there typically a problem with upsetting the zero drop feature by adding orthotics?
After 4 Caminos I firmly believe trail runners are the best option. I love them and have never had a blister or foot trouble.
I had a great Camino, April 2019, in Hoka Speedgoats. Not only was the walk blister free but I never even felt a hot spot. I wore Darn tough merino socks with them.Having walked 3 Caminos in Salomon Lightweight Boots it's time for a change. To Trail Runners.
@davebugg These are the Hokas available in Sydney. Models keep changing.
Which would you recommend?
Hoka One One
WELCOME TO THE TEMPORARY HOME OF HOKA™ AUSTRALIA. We are about empowering everyone to feel like they can fly. A bold and unexpected approach to performance footwear and apparel.shop.hokaoneone.com.au
I used Asics GEL-SONOMA 4 (4E WIDEST) trail runners on the Frances and had no blisters. I loved them. I am a typical Kiwi from the 50's and so I never wore shoes at all until I was 6 years old and then only if I was going somewhere special or the ice on the ground was too thick. As a result my feet tend to over pronate. Usually I have used walking shoes that correct my over pronation but walking my Camino I didn't find that I had a problem. The extra wide probably helped my pronation and also allowed for heat expansion of my feet while retaining a firm fit around my ankles to stop my feet sliding down my shoes when I walk downhill.
I've been going back and forth between my trusty Lowa Renegades and Hoka One One's, and I've decided to stick with my Lowa's. I find that the trail runners are too "squishy" for my feet, meaning I don't feel the stability I do in my boots. As everyone says it's an individual decision.I have worn Hoka One Ones, Sauconys, Keens, and Asics, and have had good luck and no blisters, but the Hokas are my favorites! You just cannot beat the cushy, springy, marshmellow feel of them underfoot...I love them!
Hmmm, its the cushy feeling of the Altras that I really dislike actually! I feel as if all my momentum is lost in the sponginess. And then there is the dreaded zero drop which I find to be tiring.I have worn Hoka One Ones, Sauconys, Keens, and Asics, and have had good luck and no blisters, but the Hokas are my favorites! You just cannot beat the cushy, springy, marshmellow feel of them underfoot...I love them!
I never noticed any zero drop...guess I didn't pay attention. All feet are different. The Hokas served me well!Hmmm, its the cushy feeling of the Altras that I really dislike actually! I feel as if all my momentum is lost in the sponginess. And then there is the dreaded zero drop which I find to be tiring.
I wore Hoka Torrent men’s trail runners for my third Camino and only had one small blister. Usually I get tons. Good luck and Buen Camino.Having walked 3 Caminos in Salomon Lightweight Boots it's time for a change. To Trail Runners.
@davebugg These are the Hokas available in Sydney. Models keep changing.
Which would you recommend?
Hoka One One
WELCOME TO THE TEMPORARY HOME OF HOKA™ AUSTRALIA. We are about empowering everyone to feel like they can fly. A bold and unexpected approach to performance footwear and apparel.shop.hokaoneone.com.au
How do you inflate them?Under Armour Fat Tire Men's Low Trail-Running Shoes - Black/Blue
GO WHERE YOU DON’T BELONG. Inspired by the oversized tires found on "Fat Bikes", the Michelin® Wild Gripper outsole has amazing cross-slope grip and all-terrain performance.www.sportchek.ca
Behold the very pinnacle of bi-pedal locomotive technology.
No inflating required. Come charged as is.How do you inflate them?
Under Armour Fat Tire Men's Low Trail-Running Shoes - Black/Blue
GO WHERE YOU DON’T BELONG. Inspired by the oversized tires found on "Fat Bikes", the Michelin® Wild Gripper outsole has amazing cross-slope grip and all-terrain performance.www.sportchek.ca
Behold the very pinnacle of bi-pedal locomotive technology.
I have had a low arch from youth and a hurting transverse front arch as well.
After three brands of orthodic inlay soles, I have found the right guy to make them,
I use Bauerfeind soles and after 2014 to current date I now have the most perfect wet footprint that I have ever had. almost normal...
I admire it every day..!
The foot is a wondrous construction !!
Traditional shoes have a profile where the toes will sit a tiny bit lower than the heel. The amount varies based on the profile of the footwear. A most extreme example would be the high heels of a woman's shoe.
Zero Drop means that the heel and toe sit at the same plain. Neither the toes or the heel sit higher than the other.
Hope this helps lessen the confusion of the terminology
I agree, they feel wonderful at first, but after an hour of walking, I can't stand the springiness, takes heaps of energy to get back up from the lowest point and my feet hurt. We are all so different...
I've been going back and forth between my trusty Lowa Renegades and Hoka One One's, and I've decided to stick with my Lowa's. I find that the trail runners are too "squishy" for my feet, meaning I don't feel the stability I do in my boots. As everyone says it's an individual decision.
Many thanks Dave. I'll go try some.
The extra cushioning sounds good.
I discovered from my Podiatrist, who by the way is based at Sydney Olympic Park Sports Medicine Centre (so should know what he's doing I hope, that as we age we lose the natural cushioning on our heels!
Look for an osteopath, my plantar fasciitis was a result of poor blood flow that started on my left hip! Blood flow restored, plantar fasciitis gone instantly!Any advice for plantar fascitis sufferers?
Salonpas cured mine.Any advice for plantar fascitis sufferers?
I wore trail runners and got very wet for two days between Roncesvalles and Pamplona and somewhat wet on two other days on my Camino that started 14 May 2019. I didn't get any blisters from wet feet.Just a thought @davebugg .
With this style of trail runner, I presume your feet get wet when it rains!
Wet feet.............must lead to blisters? Never had blisters yet, and don't want them.
I just noticed this pic come up, and it reminded me that Pat and I have worn waterproof boots to date. Whilst she looks like a 'drowned rat', totally dry on the inside..........
Am I swapping boots for shoes to gain one thing and lose another I wonder?
How much cushioning is too much? Here is an interesting study to consider.
The study found that the Hokas caused greater impact forces and loading rates than the New Balances both before and after the six-week period. Why do these forces matter? Well, common sense tells us that the more the impact our legs and feet absorb, the higher our injury risk.
- New research published in the American Journal of Sports Medicine investigated whether runners’ biomechanics change after they train in maximalist shoes for six weeks.
- The study found that even after becoming acclimated to the mega-cushioned shoes, the runners’ biomechanics stayed the same, and their bodies continued to absorb more impact while running in maximalist shoes compared to regular trainers.
But here’s the tricky part: While the load may be greater overall in maximalist shoes, it’s absorbed by different body parts than more minimal shoes.
“We’re probably not lowering injury rates with different shoe types, we’re just choosing different injuries,” Richard Willy, Ph.D., a physical therapy and rehabilitation science professor at University of Montana who was not involved in the study, told Runner’s World.
Just a thought @davebugg .
With this style of trail runner, I presume your feet get wet when it rains!
Wet feet.............must lead to blisters? Never had blisters yet, and don't want them.
I just noticed this pic come up, and it reminded me that Pat and I have worn waterproof boots to date. Whilst she looks like a 'drowned rat', totally dry on the inside..........
Am I swapping boots for shoes to gain one thing and lose another I wonder?
I purposely buy non-waterproof shoes for hiking. I do this because all shoes, even waterproof ones will get wet inside when walking in constant rain. The water gets in from the top of the shoe as it inevitably drains down your legs and pants. With waterproof shoes that water then has no way of getting out and so you end up walking in a bucket of water until you can dry your shoes and socks.
I think that's a great idea, Robo. Douse your feet wearing trail runners in water, even with a hose at home and go for a long walk. I was surprised that I didn't mind water squishing out of the woven tops of my shoes in camino downpours!I'm sure that was your experience, though not mine.
My waterproof Salomon boots are.........waterproof.
The cuffs of my rain pants hang down over the boots so water doesn't really enter the boots from the top.
They get 'damp' inside, but that is more from sweat.
Hence my question about 'wet' feet.
In three Caminos and lots of rain, I've avoided getting my feet wet.....
But will try out the trail runners here at home..........
Maybe dunk my feet in a stream and see how they feel walking 'wet'.......
I’m interested in mention of Goop salve. Does anyone know if you can buy in Australia? Or is there an alternative? Thanks.
Rob, do you need an extra wide shoe width, or are you comfortable walking in shoes that are the typical 'regular' width? That will help narrow down which Hoka One One model might be worth trying.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?