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In a word, No. Pilgrim Office staff will not be cross-checking the identity and nature of the stamp's owner, the locations, and probable timing of your walk between them. I would probably just try to get an early-ish stamp and a late-ish stamp, just because.. well, just because.Does it matter where we get the other?
A believe the 2 stamp rule is only required starting at the 100 km point so after Saria or maybe Montefort if you plan to take the Invierno at Ponferrada.Hello all,
I’m on the Camino now (Najera) with my wife and a question just occurred.
I know we need to get two stamps a day in the last 100 km to qualify for the Compostela. One will typically be from our albergue. Does it matter where we get the other?
For example, would it “count” to get a second from a cafe in the same town where we are staying at the end of the day? Or does it need to be from somewhere earlier in the day along our walking path?
Doesn't matter where you begin your Camino, you need two stamps a day walking the last 100km.A believe the 2 stamp rule is only required starting at the 100 km point so after Saria or maybe Montefort if you plan to take the Invierno at Ponferrada.
Nope.A believe the 2 stamp rule is only required starting at the 100 km point so after Saria or maybe Montefort if you plan to take the Invierno at Ponferrada.
The pilgrim's office is clear: You have to stamp the Credencial twice a day at least on the last 100 km (for pilgrims on foot or on horseback) or on the last 200 km (for cyclists pilgrims
What C Clearly said and yes you’re correct the last 100k.Hello all,
I’m on the Camino now (Najera) with my wife and a question just occurred.
I know we need to get two stamps a day in the last 100 km to qualify for the Compostela. One will typically be from our albergue. Does it matter where we get the other?
For example, would it “count” to get a second from a cafe in the same town where we are staying at the end of the day? Or does it need to be from somewhere earlier in the day along our walking path?
You might consider getting more than one a day even now to remember, for example, places you ate at, cultural places you visited, or churches you prayed in. Not every one will have them, but I have found them a great aide memoire.For example, would it “count” to get a second from a cafe in the same town where we are staying at the end of the day? Or does it need to be from somewhere earlier in the day along our walking path?
Perhaps I'm just lucky then.. I've never double stamped over multiple caminos (just seemed a source a stress for too many pilgrims and I saw no need to introduce stress into my camino). The office was never concerned in the least.Nope.
From the Camino misconceptions thread:
Sounds so nice to have a credential of drawings : ) On the Frances someone painted a beautiful small watercolor of a pilgrim crossing mountains in place of a stamp. And yes, these often carry more weight than a municipal stamp.You might consider getting more than one a day even now to remember, for example, places you ate at, cultural places you visited, or churches you prayed in. Not every one will have them, but I have found them a great aide memoire.
On my pilgrimages on the St Olavs Ways, where places didn't have stamps, I asked for a drawing, and was never disappointed. When I look at these little drawings I have a much more vivid memory of that day and the circumstances than other days.
I think many of us were lucky. I take the view, though, that I would be horrified if someone were to take our example on this, and be refused a compostela for not having the required two stamps/day.Perhaps I'm just lucky then.. I've never double stamped over multiple caminos (just seemed a source a stress for too many pilgrims and I saw no need to introduce stress into my camino). The office was never concerned in the least.
Indeed, everyone makes their own decisions : ).I think many of us were lucky. I take the view, though, that I would be horrified if someone were to take our example on this, and be refused a compostela for not having the required two stamps/day.
If you started way back along the Way . . . SJPP, Pamplona, Leon . . . the clerk will normally take it for granted that you've done more than enough to qualify!Perhaps I'm just lucky then.. I've never double stamped over multiple caminos (just seemed a source a stress for too many pilgrims and I saw no need to introduce stress into my camino). The office was never concerned in the least.
Indeed, better save than sorry.I think many of us were lucky. I take the view, though, that I would be horrified if someone were to take our example on this, and be refused a compostela for not having the required two stamps/day.
Where you and others may see stress I merely see curiosity from posters who have never walked before and simply want to know what's what.I've never double stamped over multiple caminos (just seemed a source a stress for too many pilgrims and I saw no need to introduce stress into my camino). The office was never concerned in the least.
Doug, if it is not too inconvenient, I would love to see a snapshot of the unique little drawings.You might consider getting more than one a day even now to remember, for example, places you ate at, cultural places you visited, or churches you prayed in. Not every one will have them, but I have found them a great aide memoire.
On my pilgrimages on the St Olavs Ways, where places didn't have stamps, I asked for a drawing, and was never disappointed. When I look at these little drawings I have a much more vivid memory of that day and the circumstances than other days.
Yes! I will add - that the Passport books usually have enough spots to get 1 stamp a day up to Sarria and 2 stamps a day beginning in Sarria (for the Frances route). That said - you can always get a second stamp book if you need more places! I recently used my stamp book to figure out exactly where I stayed last summer, but I wish I could have used it to figure out where I ate too! Thus summer, I am probably going to take 2 credential booklets - the American one and the Holy Year one - and I want to get stamps in the albergues, churches, and bars I visit. I want to stay in different albergues this summer for the most part (which is one reason I looked up where I stayed last summer), but I would also like to visit some of my favorite bars again! Unfortunately - unless I remember as I pass them - I don't know which ones they are.You might consider getting more than one a day even now to remember, for example, places you ate at, cultural places you visited, or churches you prayed in. Not every one will have them, but I have found them a great aide memoire.
On my pilgrimages on the St Olavs Ways, where places didn't have stamps, I asked for a drawing, and was never disappointed. When I look at these little drawings I have a much more vivid memory of that day and the circumstances than other days.
In two words definitely notIn a word, No. Pilgrim Office staff will not be cross-checking the identity and nature of the stamp's owner, the locations, and probable timing of your walk between them. I would probably just try to get an early-ish stamp and a late-ish stamp, just because.. well, just because.
Not always.If you started way back along the Way . . . SJPP, Pamplona, Leon . . . the clerk will normally take it for granted that you've done more than enough to qualify!
Perhaps normally, but not always!If you started way back along the Way . . . SJPP, Pamplona, Leon . . . the clerk will normally take it for granted that you've done more than enough to qualify!
Agreed but at our induction at the Pilgrim Office we were told to be nice to the pilgrims . . . . besides which, at peak times, you really don't have time to sit and count the stamps from Sarria or whatever the 100km mark is on Caminos other than the CF.Perhaps normally, but not always!
If it's very important to you, the best way to ensure that you receive a Compostela is to follow the simple rules that the cathedral has set out:
You have to stamp the Credencial twice a day at least on the last 100 km (for pilgrims on foot or on horseback) or on the last 200 km (for cyclists pilgrims).
Please make it easy on those working in the Pilgrims Office, most of whom are volunteering their time to serve you and get the required stamps.
Far too harsh, if they've got stamps all the way from Germany no reasonable clerk ought refuse a Compostela.Not always.
In 2014 people in front off us walked from north Germany, no two stamps no Compostela.
This discussion is coming up several times a year, what is the problem???
There is no problem, some people only looking for excuses.
Good question! I don't recall ever hearing of a rejection for not fulfilling the requirement of two stamps per day rule for the final 100k. Possibly others have noticed.Has anyone really known anyone who didn’t get the Compostela for not acquiring the two stamps per day 100k to go rule?
Post 21 said the people in front of him walked from Germany and were denied.I ask those on the forum because we love to follow rules here for fear of being roasting, except for the occasional two photos on the one photo a day thread, I’ll take my chances.Has anyone really known anyone who didn’t get the Compostela for not acquiring the two stamps per day 100k to go rule? I follow the rule, just curious. Do tell.
Yes, me. During my stint in the Pilgrim office I turned down at least half a dozen people who blatantly didn't qualify including the gent at post #23 above and a lady who had walked "all the way" from Porto except for a "couple of days" when she had caught a bus.I ask those on the forum because we love to follow rules here for fear of being roasted, except for the occasional two photos on the one photo a day thread, I’ll take my chances.Has anyone really known anyone who didn’t get the Compostela for not acquiring the two stamps per day 100k to go rule? I follow the rule, just curious. Do tell.
Yes, and the one from the Pilgrim Office in SJPP. Remarkably similar words in 2010 and currently.As an aside to the main question but still pertinent, does anybody ever bother to read and understand what it says on the top of every sello page of the credentials that Ivar sells?
We know that is quite typical. But when someone asks about the requirement, we like to give them the correct answer.I have walked four caminos and have never collected two stamps for the last 100klms. I have never been denied a compestela certificate.
I think it's time to have a whack-a-mole emoji for the moderators so they can completely replace any similar posts to this if the matter has already been raised and responded to before in a thread.I have walked four caminos and have never collected two stamps for the last 100klms. I have never been denied a compestela certificate.
These are from the St Olavsleden. I walked it in 2018.Doug, if it is not too inconvenient, I would love to see a snapshot of the unique little drawings.
I asked the albergue host to stamp my credential and marked the date if the morning I was leaving, then one stamp along that, cafe shops, info center, etc, b4 reaching next stop. In case u don't get any stamp in between 2 stops, your next stop albergue would be your second stamp.Hello all,
I’m on the Camino now (Najera) with my wife and a question just occurred.
I know we need to get two stamps a day in the last 100 km to qualify for the Compostela. One will typically be from our albergue. Does it matter where we get the other?
For example, would it “count” to get a second from a cafe in the same town where we are staying at the end of the day? Or does it need to be from somewhere earlier in the day along our walking path?
I'll never conform!It’s quite difficult to find an establishment in the last 100km on the CF which doesn’t have a sello. I really don’t understand how this comes back for discussion time and time again. Many recount their experience of not conforming to the simple and well publicised rule - it’s even printed on the credencial - and ‘getting away with it’; but it takes very little effort to comply.
Well, it’s their game and their rules. The policy is probably applied with a degree of good judgement and compassion.I'll never conform!Free the Pilgrim!
Humor aside - no, it's not complicated henry, but for some, it is a complication. Many forget their double stamps and needlessly worry about a Compostela denied. (For others that worry begins before even starting the camino). Despite this they arrive in Santiago only to walk away with a smile and Compostela in hand. The policy is not consistently applied - precisely because it's bad policy.
Why does the office require double stamps on the last 100km? That's where the discussion should begin.
Have you ever contemplated that the management staff of the Pilgrim Office might just know more about the behaviours they are trying to eliminate than you do, and this system is working sufficiently well for them with all of what you see as flaws?Why does the office require double stamps on the last 100km? That's where the discussion should begin
Not so for last 100 km on CP. I struggled to get a second stamp unless I paid to eat somewhere, as compared to church and shops provided sello. Boat trip will stamp your credential.It’s quite difficult to find an establishment in the last 100km on the CF which doesn’t have a sello. I really don’t understand how this comes back for discussion time and time again. Many recount their experience of not conforming to the simple and well publicised rule - it’s even printed on the credencial - and ‘getting away with it’; but it takes very little effort to comply.
No, that's not my personality at all - It was just a simple question : ) I don't assume higher powers have the answer and I shouldn't inquire further. But I respect that you might feel otherwise ; )Have you ever contemplated that the management staff of the Pilgrim Office might just know more about the behaviours they are trying to eliminate than you do, and this system is working sufficiently well for them with all of what you see as flaws?
Well, it's a forum Doug. And these are discussions. I see several posts from those working at the office - and perhaps they could chime in. I don't see any problem with learning more about the issue. Or asking what was the reasoning behind the double stamp policy.I doubt many of us are well enough informed about why this system has been put in place to shed real light on the issues, and even if we were to generate more light than heat, where will that lead?
Yes, we agree : ) Helping others is good. Worrying is bad. So stop worrying about the direction of the thread? And let's help those who identify as yeast - and have forgotten their second stamps.I would rather help forum members prepare for and undertake their pilgrimage than worry about whether or not we agree that they should be collecting one or two stamps a day in the last 100 km.
Please don't suggest that I have assumed anything. Statements like this amount to an ad hominum, clearly a rhetorical flaw if you are interested in informed discussion about any subject. It suggests that you aren't, which makes me wonder if you are only interested in your own point of view when you are prepared to put down other points of view as you have done here.No, that's not my personality at all - It was just a simple question : ) I don't assume higher powers have the answer and I shouldn't inquire further. But I respect that you might feel otherwise ; )
It is possible there is a non-sequitor here. Unless there are forum members here that were involved in developing the policy in the first place who are also willing to give us some insight into that, any 'discussion' here will be mere speculation, certainly not learning.Well, it's a forum Doug. And these are discussions. I see several posts from those working at the office - and perhaps they could chime in. I don't see any problem with learning more about the issue. Or asking what was the reasoning behind the double stamp policy.
How did yeast get dragged into this thread?(Rhetorical question). I have become a great admirer of yeast since the pandemic, and regularly have sourdough, dill pickles, sauerkraut, cider or wine fermenting on my kitchen counter.
I wondered whether you would make some claim like this.
Please don't suggest that I have assumed anything. Statements like this amount to an ad hominum, clearly a rhetorical flaw if you are interested in informed discussion about any subject. It suggests that you aren't, which makes me wonder if you are only interested in your own point of view when you are prepared to put down other points of view as you have done here.
It is possible there is a non-sequitor here. Unless there are forum members here that were involved in developing the policy in the first place who are also willing to give us some insight into that, any 'discussion' here will be mere speculation, certainly not learning.
Would the Pilgrim Office give an historian access to its records relating to the original and subsequent considerations of this policy? Are those in the Santiago diocesan hierarchy who were involved available and willing to share their recollections of what was considered at the time? Perhaps they have left personal records such as diaries that are available to researchers into the history of pilgrimage. We might infer motivations and intent, but without these primary sources, we might be engaging in little more than writing creative fiction.
Fill your boots and discuss this by all means. I will enjoy the spectacle.
Begin???Why does the office require double stamps on the last 100km? That's where the discussion should begin
Thank you!Begin???
Do you not know how old this discussion is?
It began probably in the previous century and by 2010 it was already in full swing, see this forum thread: The 2-stamps rule. The thread was started on 2 July 2010 and by that time the two stamps rule was already explicitly stated on the website of the Pilgrim Office in Santiago. And if you look a little bit into what has already been written long before today, you will find this by the British CSJ Camino association:
In 2002 the Pilgrim Office in Santiago started asking pilgrims to get two stamps per day in their credenciales or Pilgrim Records. We asked for confirmation and clarification of this new request, and here is their reply:"Last year we started to control a little bit more the credentials and the stamps, in order to differenciate pilgrims on foot, horse or by bicycle from those who are using other means of transport to come to Santiago. The Cathedral of Saint James wants to be fair with those who are doing the pilgrimage by giving them, and only them, the 'Compostela'. That is the reason why we ask for two stamps per day. However, we understand that if a pilgrim starts the Way in a far away point, it is enough to get only one stamp."
That was twenty years ago!!!
No worries , in a while it will start all over again.My apologies for poking a stick in the hornets nest
I wouldn't be. You got your answer, and the spectacle of an interesting debate. I wouldn't call it a discussion myself, because the explanations by @henrythedog and later by @Kathar1na are really matters of fact. But your question has resulted in some of use now being better informed.I’m a little embarrassed about starting (continuing) this discussion.
There were even some along side the path - didn't even need to leave the trail or enter a bar to get them!It’s quite difficult to find an establishment in the last 100km on the CF which doesn’t have a sello. I really don’t understand how this comes back for discussion time and time again. Many recount their experience of not conforming to the simple and well publicised rule - it’s even printed on the credencial - and ‘getting away with it’; but it takes very little effort to comply.
I totally get what you are saying - it is an easy goal to accomplish. That said - after walking from SJPDP or some other long distance - and only collecting 1 stamp a day most days - it is easy for some to forget. Which is why it is good that most of the individuals working in the pilgrims office mix following rules with some degree of compassion....one would have to have the cognitive ability of yeast to ‘forget’ this simple stipulation, or fail to find a simple workaround.
I was very aware of this following my first CF. I tried harder to get two a day on the CI a few years later, and was only stymied once. So when I did my second CF with my wife, I resolved to get into the practice of collecting sellos wherever and whenever I conveniently could, not just where we stayed, but at places where we ate, churches we visited if they were open, etc.I totally get what you are saying - it is an easy goal to accomplish. That said - after walking from SJPDP or some other long distance - and only collecting 1 stamp a day most days - it is easy for some to forget. Which is why it is good that most of the individuals working in the pilgrims office mix following rules with some degree of compassion....
Welcome to the Camino and hope your having a lovely time , no doubt you already been told you can get the two stamps from anywhere ..Hello all,
I’m on the Camino now (Najera) with my wife and a question just occurred.
I know we need to get two stamps a day in the last 100 km to qualify for the Compostela. One will typically be from our albergue. Does it matter where we get the other?
For example, would it “count” to get a second from a cafe in the same town where we are staying at the end of the day? Or does it need to be from somewhere earlier in the day along our walking path?
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