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A few years ago I had spectacles made with plain lenses that provided just my distance correction, and no graduated correction for accommodation (or the increasing lack of it). These do work to stop me from having to drop my head to get the ground focused at my feet. There is a downside, and that is removing my glasses to read a map or GPS.You lost me at this point I'm afraid. Poles are a personal decision. I wear varifocals and have a tendency to bend my head over so the ground is in focus. Walking with poles I don't bend my head over so maintain a much healthier posture. I find poles helpful in many ways, that's just one.
A few years ago I had spectacles made with plain lenses that provided just my distance correction, and no graduated correction for accommodation (or the increasing lack of it). These do work to stop me from having to drop my head to get the ground focused at my feet. There is a downside, and that is removing my glasses to read a map or GPS.
With one pair of new glasses a few years ago, even after years of using graduated lenses, I found that I had to tilt my head very slightly down in order to see the right amount of space in front when I walk. I wanted to have clear focus when looking ahead with my head straight, but also be able to lower my eyes to scan the area 6-10 feet in front as I walked. My new glasses were fuzzy at that distance.A few years ago I had spectacles made with plain lenses that provided just my distance correction, and no graduated correction for accommodation (or the increasing lack of it). These do work to stop me from having to drop my head to get the ground focused at my feet
Back to the walking poles! TERRA NOVA make an interesting set called UNIPODS. The tops can unscrew and there is provision for a camera mount. I quite like them as they have a very long grip which can be a bonus for those who like Nordic poles and also make very good side struts for those (me!) who are cobbling together hip belt hiking trailers.I am terribly nearsighted and have needed glasses since I was four. A few years ago, I started noticing that I was having trouble with closer things, not just the distance. I found that by pushing my glasses down my nose a bit (making them a bit further from my eyes), it changed things and made them focus a lot better for closer things. For reading, I had a tendency to stop bothering with my glasses and push them up or take them off and put my reading material where it came into focus (generally under six inches from my eyes).
My eye doctor told me, of course, that these were signs that I could benefit from bifocals or graduated lenses. Or, he said, I could just keep doing what I was doing and manually create the focus that I needed. For a few years I did that, but eventually I gave in and got he graduated lenses. I was told that after a few days I would develop new habits and start to naturally hold my head in a way that would bring things into focus. No such luck. My old habits were too ingrained. It just seems easier and more natural to me to push my glasses up or down my nose rather than hold my head just right when reading.
All that said, I do like walking poles.
What a great idea! I hope I get an opportunity to try that idea out on a hopefully "future" camino!One young lady, many years ago showed me that by adjusting the poles to fit the width of a window
What a great idea! I hope I get an opportunity to try that idea out on a hopefully "future" camino!
OK, guys, I opened this thread to discuss eyeglasses.
David, you must still be relatively young (ish)...needing no reading glasses yet.I am rather shortsighted and so remove my glasses for reading and tapping away at tablets.
I am also increasingly forgetful and an increasing proportion of each day is spent retracing my steps and muttering whilst I seek my glasses. Of course, when not wearing glasses they are virtually invisible.
I used to think that brightly coloured glasses on 50+ men were an affectation. Not so. It’s simply to increase the chances of finding the damn things.
I sometimes do this when I am headed off for a walk where I will use my plain (single vision) spectacles. I take the view that provided I can check my speed and detect a warning light should one illuminate, that will be enough. Its certainly easier to use my other set of glasses.One concern would be whether I can drive with single vision glasses - and read the dashboard properly.
I have heard of this and other approaches with contact lenses. After a few years of wearing contacts, I gave them away because of the difficulty I was having with tear strength, so this wasn't something that I continued to research.I use contact lenses of which one is for distance (+1.5x) and one for reading (+3.0x). It literally took ‘seeing it to believe it’ but the brain manages to sort it out and uses the eye it needs to in order for the needed object to be in focus. I wonder if anyone has considered trying this with a pair of glasses? Seems to be the same premise...
While I'm sure this is true for @henrythedog, I'll point out that I don't need reading glasses (in spite of my age), although I do need them for everything else. Somehow my farsightedness due to old age has cancelled my youthful near-sightedness, and I can read very comfortably. This is only my own interpretation - not a technical explanation!!!you must still be relatively young (ish)...needing no reading glasses yet.
David, you must still be relatively young (ish)...needing no reading glasses yet.
Well, if you are now just leaving the first flush of youth, I am for sure in the 2nd flush of youth...I like the sound of that!just leaving the first flush of youth.
While I'm sure this is true for @henrythedog, I'll point out that I don't need reading glasses (in spite of my age), although I do need them for everything else. Somehow my farsightedness due to old age has cancelled my youthful near-sightedness, and I can read very comfortably. This is only my own interpretation - not a technical explanation!!!
When I get cataract surgery (I'm told the cataracts are starting) I think I will choose to continue with my vision as it is, instead of correcting my vision so I don't glasses for distance. If I did that, I would need reading glasses. I am so accustomed to glasses that I like the protection, and I enjoy being able to read without any.
Agree!
I know! I was so excited to discover a semi-relevant topic that we hadn't covered over and over again.Gosh this is an interesting thread.
My sunglasses are also varifocals. I was concerned about how to safely carry either them or my regular glasses (whichever were not on my nose). Both sets of glasses have robust cases but neither pairs would fit in the 'wrong' case! The solution I found was a soft pouch made from lens cleaning cloth (came with my sunglasses), inside a plastic beaker for protection, inside my Rab sleeping bag liner sack. 72g and very handy.
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I wore contact lenses for most of my life, (I was almost legally blind) and had about 15cm of vision in my good eye without them. Glasses wouldn't work for me as they had to be so thick, and my world constantly shifted around out the side and bottom that I couldn't walk around without getting vertigo. What you see through the glasses is so much smaller than what they really are. My eyes are also extremely light sensitive.While I'm sure this is true for @henrythedog, I'll point out that I don't need reading glasses (in spite of my age), although I do need them for everything else. Somehow my farsightedness due to old age has cancelled my youthful near-sightedness, and I can read very comfortably. This is only my own interpretation - not a technical explanation!!!
When I get cataract surgery (I'm told the cataracts are starting) I think I will choose to continue with my vision as it is, instead of correcting my vision so I don't glasses for distance. If I did that, I would need reading glasses. I am so accustomed to glasses that I like the protection, and I enjoy being able to read without any.
That is wonderful and, of course, a case where the need to use reading glasses is such a minor inconvenience. It must be a continual source of wonder!So when I developed cataracts and lost my sight completely I took the chance to correct the lenses.
Can of worms anybody?OK, guys, I opened this thread to discuss eyeglasses.
Me too! I started wearing contacts for scuba diving (prescription masks were prohibitively expensive then and you need to read your instruments!) - left eye reading strength, right eye distance. When I suggested the same approach to my optician she actually rolled her eyes and said "stick with your bifocals" (I can't get on with varifocals) - How's the virtual Camino going?I use contact lenses of which one is for distance (+1.5x) and one for reading (+3.0x). It literally took ‘seeing it to believe it’ but the brain manages to sort it out and uses the eye it needs to in order for the needed object to be in focus. I wonder if anyone has considered trying this with a pair of glasses? Seems to be the same premise...
I tried this method years ago when I had to do a lot of long distance driving as a specialist social worker for the deaf. It was brilliant. I drove with the right eye and read maps with the left! Reaching for a pint tho could get a bit hilarious!I use contact lenses of which one is for distance (+1.5x) and one for reading (+3.0x). It literally took ‘seeing it to believe it’ but the brain manages to sort it out and uses the eye it needs to in order for the needed object to be in focus. I wonder if anyone has considered trying this with a pair of glasses? Seems to be the same premise...
Oh I like those - same problem finding glasses with long enough arms - are the horns specsavers too?View attachment 74477
I am adjusting on automatic when converting to bifocals, I had to go find out what all the rage was about and took a snap...
This level has suited my need very well, haven´t tumbled down down yet....I hardly notice the seperation line.
these are in specsaver pricerange..
only problem I´ve had was the spcs slided off when looking down, ( my ears are far from the front so no bend on stays) - so these were rubber horns were mounted which didi it ...
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I have to put my bi-focals ON to read maps! This means stashing the poles under my arms whilst doing so and trying not to poke my eyes out whilst doing so!
Ya gotta laff! Think of the entertainment you are providing to the youngsters!
Walk soft. Stay safe.
Buen Camino
The Malingerer.
I am fortunate that although I have bifocals my mid and distance vision is good enough to safely walk and drive without them. They stayed in my pocket on the Camino until I needed to read the guide book. Walking poles helped save whst would have been a few falls on cobblestones without them.I have to put my bi-focals ON to read maps! This means stashing the poles under my arms whilst doing so and trying not to poke my eyes out whilst doing so!
Ya gotta laff! Think of the entertainment you are providing to the youngsters!
Walk soft. Stay safe.
Buen Camino
The Malingerer.
"Relatively youngish" depends on whom I am with. I am looking forward to my retirement, which approaches ever more rapidly. I was prescribed for bifocals or varifocals, so I guess I could benefit from reading glasses. That said, if I hold the book just right, I need no glasses at all.David, you must still be relatively young (ish)...needing no reading glasses yet.
Yes, I'm glad you brought this up, as I had forgotten about it. In 2018, coming down a steep slope on the Mozarabe, I felt quite uncertain/vulnerable and it did occur to me that part of the problem was my progressive lenses. It is bad enough to be wearing glasses in the first place - smudged and sweaty, walking on hazardous surface on a very steep slope - and then being unable to focus clearly. Coming down a slope like this meant that I was looking through the reading part of my glassesI seem to have depth perception issues especially when finding my way down. I have wondered if this is an issue with the progressive lenses. Anyone have concerns with depth perception and solutions?
My Eye Doc is the one who actually had to talk me into going to mono vision contacts, sounded a wee wacky to me! They work quite well for me except when I get tired then the old noodle seems to have a challenge picking the right eye! Beer seems to help. Not my sight mind you, it just makes me feel betterMe too! I started wearing contacts for scuba diving (prescription masks were prohibitively expensive then and you need to read your instruments!) - left eye reading strength, right eye distance. When I suggested the same approach to my optician she actually rolled her eyes and said "stick with your bifocals" (I can't get on with varifocals) - How's the virtual Camino going?
Don't want to sidetrack topic will mail you.My Eye Doc is the one who actually had to talk me into going to mono vision contacts, sounded a wee wacky to me! They work quite well for me except when I get tired then the old noodle seems to have a challenge picking the right eye! Beer seems to help. Not my sight mind you, it just makes me feel better
camino has reached Roncesvalles now. Had some rain on the island and turns out I’m not inclined to get wet for a virtual Camino! You?
I switched to contact lenses with each eye set at a different rate...one for reading and one for normal wear and it was the perfect solution. And I did this especially for walking the camino because I find it so hard wearing glasses in the rain. And I suspect you can do the same with the lenses in glasses because I had some sunglasses made to work the same way. In fact my optometrist said to buy those cheap glasses you buy over the counter. He told me to buy two pair that are identical but with different lenses and told me the prescription for each eye and then he switched one of the lenses so eachh eye was accommodated. A very inexpensive solution.I use contact lenses of which one is for distance (+1.5x) and one for reading (+3.0x). It literally took ‘seeing it to believe it’ but the brain manages to sort it out and uses the eye it needs to in order for the needed object to be in focus. I wonder if anyone has considered trying this with a pair of glasses? Seems to be the same premise...
Ah, yes! I rely on a slip-on visor for both sun and rain. It nicely fits under the hood of my rain jacket, holding it away from my face and keeping the rain off my glasses.I find it so hard wearing glasses in the rain.
I can sympathise! My favourite spot for hell-hole activity i.e. when all my sensory perception decides to leave me defenceless in the face of the dreaded Meniere's attack is coming down that steep slope to El Acebo! I love the place to bits but by God that slope makes me pay for it!Yes, I'm glad you brought this up, as I had forgotten about it. In 2018, coming down a steep slope on the Mozarabe, I felt quite uncertain/vulnerable and it did occur to me that part of the problem was my progressive lenses. It is bad enough to be wearing glasses in the first place - smudged and sweaty, walking on hazardous surface on a very steep slope - and then being unable to focus clearly. Coming down a slope like this meant that I was looking through the reading part of my glasses
I was too unstable to stop and take a photo on the most difficult part, because I was so dependent on having my hands on two poles. The attached photo shows the view from the top, so you can see the type of terrain but not the actual slope you must descend before reaching the nice switchback path below.
Some other people who had walked that day didn't seem to find it quite so uncomfortable, so I think my glasses were part of my problem. This is reinforcing my inclination to get some single vision distance glasses!
Ah, yes! I rely on a slip-on visor for both sun and rain. It nicely fits under the hood of my rain jacket, holding it away from my face and keeping the rain off my glasses.
Not at all! We just started this party yesterday. If one pair of glasses works for you, then you certainly shouldn't change! We are the ones with the "problem".Maybe a little late to the party
I remember thinking, when I first got glasses, "Things have edges." I could always tell when I needed new glasses because I would no longer be able to read the chalk writing on the blackboard at school. It was always the first to go.I have worn glasses since about 7 years old. I remember so vividly the first time I walked outside with my new glasses. I discovered plants had little, individual leaves! They weren't just big green blobs, and the rest is history.
I did much the same, at different times with both bifocals and progressives, adjusting the placement or transition point to where it was needed for various activities. Starting with existing glasses, use a felt tip pen to indicate desired zone placement - it took a little convincing but the rewards are worth it. Settled on two pair: Progressives for distance + computer/driving/music reading with full-on middle focus placed at or just slightly below straight ahead - critical work was done looking essentially straight ahead while casting the eyes down allowed close reading. Full distance vision required looking through the upper part of the lenses, accomplished with just a slight downward head tilt. These were not good for hiking, etc. The other pair was for distance and text reading. Descending stairs was a problem with progressives, so settled on traditional bifocals with a localized reading zone - these have the distance correction all around the bifocal zone so one can see to hike and descend stairs by just turning my head to the side without needing to tilt down.We seem to have a new equipment topic for discussion! (Notice that I didn't put this under "Medical Issues") I don't remember a discussion on this topic before.
With one pair of new glasses a few years ago, even after years of using graduated lenses, I found that I had to tilt my head very slightly down in order to see the right amount of space in front when I walk. I wanted to have clear focus when looking ahead with my head straight, but also be able to lower my eyes to scan the area 6-10 feet in front as I walked. My new glasses were fuzzy at that distance.
I had to get quite insistent with the optometrist, but they made new lenses that lowered the position of the gradient so I had more area for long-distance correction. Now I can see clearly while walking, including the important part of the ground a few paces ahead. Correction for my middle and reading distance is narrowed, but still there. This works well for me as I have one pair of glasses for outdoors (these walking ones) and another pair that is graduated from reading to computer distances. For close-up reading I usually take them off entirely.
I have been tempted to do what @dougfitz suggested - get some single vision glasses for distance. They would be much cheaper. Since I'm lucky to be able to read without glasses, I can just remove them when necessary. One concern would be whether I can drive with single vision glasses - and read the dashboard properly.
As my eyes became older I could no longer use photo adjusting lenses at night because even in full darkness they filter out a percentage of the light - switching back to standard lenses provided a big improvement (as did lens replacement surgery for a very gradually progressing cataract I was hardly aware of). Anti-reflection coatings also improve transmission. Macular pucker can be a real nuisance - the membrane causing them often can be "peeled" by a specialist, but it doesn't always resolve the distortion and there are risks involved.My vision issues are a bit quirky. Most folks have eyes that share the vision - maybe 60/40 or such but mostly equal. Several years ago, I found out that my right eye controls the show - something like 85/15. This was also the reason that I could never obtain clear vision with contacts. Lasik surgery in the controlling eye meant that I could now see well for distance but needed readers for close work. Fast forward 10 years, my right (controlling) eye developed a macular wrinkle which gave me a slight blur at any distance. Glasses helped the left eye - but then it doesn't do much - so there's always a bit of a blur. Progressive lenses - individual per eye - transition for sunllight and blue light filter for computer etc. Not really needed for distance or driving but I tend to wear them all the time for the sun and if I need to read something along the way. Oh - and I bought computer specific glasses but found that the use of 2 monitors for my work made the distance incorrect for that use but perfect for reading music!
Anyway - walking the Camino was fine with the glasses as long as there was sufficient light. Walking before dawn or after dark - nope!
Yes - my retinal specialist mentioned the peel but said my case wasn't bad enough to take that risk. He also said that almost everyone who had the surgery developed cataracts within a year. I chose NOT! Development of cataracts with age is a given but would rather wait a few years until absolutely needed. It's a minor "wrinkle" (ha!) to life!As my eyes became older I could no longer use photo adjusting lenses at night because even in full darkness they filter out a percentage of the light - switching back to standard lenses provided a big improvement (as did lens replacement surgery for a very gradually progressing cataract I was hardly aware of). Anti-reflection coatings also improve transmission. Macular pucker can be a real nuisance - the membrane causing them often can be "peeled" by a specialist, but it doesn't always resolve the distortion and there are risks involved.
Since having to wear varifocal lenses I have found walking downhill a challenge as they seem to distort my focus so I just bought myself a glasses chain and they hang round my neck whilst walking but are easily at hand to pop back on again should I need to read a map or sign etc[MODERATOR'S NOTE: These first two posts have been moved from another thread, as the topic seems worth a thread of its own.]
Edit (to explain the issue now that this has been used to create a new thread)
Older walkers might have noticed that when they are using bi-focal, multi-focal or graduated lenses that they have to drop their head to get the ground in front of their feet into the sweet spot on the lenses where it is in focus. For those who have yet to experience the joy of slowly losing their ability to accommodate large ranges of focus point, these lenses have a lower section designed to act as reading glasses while the upper parts of the lenses provide distance correction.
The ground is out of focus through the lower part of the lenses, and tilting the head down brings one's line of sight into the middle of the lenses, where it will be in focus. Next time you see an older, bespectacled person walking with their head down, you might suspect that they are just taking care about where to put their feet next.
A few years ago I had spectacles made with plain lenses that provided just my distance correction, and no graduated correction for accommodation (or the increasing lack of it). These do work to stop me from having to drop my head to get the ground focused at my feet. There is a downside, and that is removing my glasses to read a map or GPS.
This suggests to me that your distance correction is relatively small if your eyes are able to adapt like this. Is that so?Since having to wear varifocal lenses I have found walking downhill a challenge as they seem to distort my focus so I just bought myself a glasses chain and they hang round my neck whilst walking but are easily at hand to pop back on again should I need to read a map or sign etc
Highly advise getting an annual check - my mom missed just 1 year and progressed from having healthy eyes to significant glaucoma in that period. Without exams glaucoma generally goes unnoticed until vision abruptly is gone.I hadn't been to an ophthalmologist for ten years, but when I went three years ago he discovered I had a macular pucker in one eye. It is relatively minor and has not gotten worse on my yearly visits. My other eye is fine and compensates well for the other, but I was disappointed to learn that glasses will not correct the problem should it worsen.
I have no vision problems walking the Camino, but I do use reading glasses for looking at maps or reading things on my phone.
Thank you for your concern. I do now go faithfully every year to have my eyes checked by an ophthalmologist, not an optometrist...a big difference.Highly advise getting an annual check - my mom missed just 1 year and progressed from having healthy eyes to significant glaucoma in that period. Without exams glaucoma generally goes unnoticed until vision abruptly is gone.
I can't see things clearly if they're too close so I had to hold books/pages etc at arms length and in the end I went to see my optician and I had glasses which I used for reading only but it got annoying keep taking them on and off and I either lost or broke them so ended up having lots of those cheap pairs in every room, bag, jacket etc. In the end, my optician suggested varifocals and I've never looked back since.This suggests to me that your distance correction is relatively small if your eyes are able to adapt like this. Is that so?
Is your "depth perception" issue a binocular vision problem (images are sharp but your brain can't put them together), or an out of focus when looking down through the bottom of the lenses problem? If the former, consult your ophthalmologist. If a focus issue it may be because the lower region of your progressives are set to reading distance, much closer than your feet and the trail. I also had this problem with progressives and with full width bifocals, so for outdoor use and hiking I settled on the type of bifocals that have a definite "D-shaped" close focus zone (the straight part of the "D" is across the top of the zone), the surrounding portion of the lens being distance correction. I found that with suitable positioning of my head I could look around the side of the zone to see trails and stairs adequately. A web search surfaced a variety of available progressive and bifocal designs, some blurring (sorry...) the distinction between the two. One that might be of interest are progressives where the central low-set reading zone is flanked by intermediate focus zones on each side - if this intermediate zone was set for trail distance they might offer another solution for youl.Thank you for this thread. It is helpful to know that I am not alone with aging eye issues. I have been wearing corrective lenses for nearsightedness and astigmatism for - apparently - longer than some of you are old! For at least 25 years, I have used the vari-focal lenses which here in the US are often called progressives. My prescription is so strong, the glasses are special ordered and expensively priced. Therefore, I have tried to get by with just one pair. In the last year, I decided to try a pair of glasses just for reading because I could no longer seem to find the sweet spot on my progressives. That has helped me read books while I use the progressives for everything else - including driving and hiking. While hiking, occasionally I seem to have depth perception issues especially when finding my way down. I have wondered if this is an issue with the progressive lenses. Anyone have concerns with depth perception and solutions?
Wearing a sun visor that can be angled up and down as required, under your rain hood, is the best solution for this. Even so, I have occasionally had to remove my glasses too, until I could clean them.I was obliged to take off any glasses I might be wearing due to the horizontal rain on the camino I experienced! I couldn't see through the lenses and saw better with them removed.
Yes, I think this is the situation that several of us have tried to describe. I had to request that the distance portion cover more of the lens, so I can cast my eyes downward to a point about 10 feet in front of me and still see clearly. The middle/reading portions are reduced to a smaller region at the bottom. I think I will try single vision lenses next, for walking.Is your "depth perception" issue... an out of focus when looking down through the bottom of the lenses problem?
I have the same issue as you, very nearsighted with astigmatism. Also like you I switched to progressives about 20 or so years ago. I also have serious injuries in both knees resulting in no ACL and no cartilage in either. So going up hill is easy, but down hill not so much. I am not sure if the downhill is in part due to the progressive lenses or entirely due to my knee issues. I have noticed that when using trekking pole, I only use one, I have a much easier time on the decline. I used a trekking pole on the Cinque Terra and it was the only way I would have made it on the steep downhill/stairway sections. But you have me thinking now that I may have a bit of depth perception issue that has been hidden by the knee issues. Hmmm. Thank you as you have gotten me thinking.Thank you for this thread. It is helpful to know that I am not alone with aging eye issues. I have been wearing corrective lenses for nearsightedness and astigmatism for - apparently - longer than some of you are old! For at least 25 years, I have used the vari-focal lenses which here in the US are often called progressives. My prescription is so strong, the glasses are special ordered and expensively priced. Therefore, I have tried to get by with just one pair. In the last year, I decided to try a pair of glasses just for reading because I could no longer seem to find the sweet spot on my progressives. That has helped me read books while I use the progressives for everything else - including driving and hiking. While hiking, occasionally I seem to have depth perception issues especially when finding my way down. I have wondered if this is an issue with the progressive lenses. Anyone have concerns with depth perception and solutions?
I tried this method years ago when I had to do a lot of long distance driving as a specialist social worker for the deaf. It was brilliant. I drove with the right eye and read maps with the left! Reaching for a pint tho could get a bit hilarious!
Yours aye,
The Malingerer.
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