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As I understand it, that is true, but women should not be discouraged from reporting this type of physical-contact incident. The police need to be made aware of the situation, and they can put at least put informal pressure on the individuals and ensure that the community is aware.for the police to take any action against the individual, the victim has to have sought medical attention and then taken a medical report with them when they are reporting the incident. Otherwise, as I understand the Spanish laws relating to this, the key elements of an 'offence' are missing, and they are powerless to proceed formally against the individual.
This is a valid point. Even the Guardia Civil would find it difficult to accumulate enough evidence for a successful criminal prosecution (but one should still report it to them anyway so that they are aware of the problem). The local police may find it worth their while to make sure it doesn't happen again.As I understand it, that is true, but women should not be discouraged from reporting this type of physical-contact incident. The police need to be made aware of the situation, and they can put at least put informal pressure on the individuals and ensure that the community is aware.
I agree, and never intended my post to discourage anyone from reporting an incident, or using AlertCops to notify police that something is or has just happened that might allow them to respond to the scene of the incident while a perpetrator might not have gone too far.As I understand it, that is true, but women should not be discouraged from reporting this type of physical-contact incident. The police need to be made aware of the situation, and they can put at least put informal pressure on the individuals and ensure that the community is aware.
Unfortunately, this sentence is loaded with emotional words that may detract from objective and rational discussion of an emotional topic.What I am conscious of is that over the years we have seen much wailing, hand wringing and gnashing of teeth when members have found the police apparently unwilling to pursue a complaint like this.
So we are in agreement.If incidents are reported, it does give the police a better idea about where more frequent patrolling might be useful in protecting pilgrims.
And cutting through the handwaving to bump Reb's post:It is important to provide the police with whatever relevant information we can, using the reporting tools and procedures that they have indicated that we should use. They will then need to do their jobs, however they are defined.
Reb, do you know where this is exactly? I went to the GC website and was flummoxed by the many possibilities. Is it this?:there is a 24-hour Guardia Civil post in Logrono. The victim needs to go THERE, NOT to the Policia Local, and talk with an agent dedicated to Camino patrols. Most Guardia have a bit of English. They take these things seriously, unless of course you wait 10 days and 100 kilometers to report it.
Police 'action' does not necessarily have to be making a criminal charge, and for the victim in this case that would be of little or no value. The purpose of reporting is so that the police are aware of the problem, cannot deny the existence of the problem and may eventually be motivated to do something about it e.g. deter any actual or potential offenders. For this purpose the location is as important as an accurate description of the offender. The Guardia Civil have definitely become more active (and proactive) about camino safety in recent years. Reporting will do no harm and may eventually do some good. Maybe we can leave it at that and close this thread now?That must have been horrible. If members do find themselves in this situation, remember that for the police to take any action against the individual, the victim has to have sought medical attention and then taken a medical report with them when they are reporting the incident. Otherwise, as I understand the Spanish laws relating to this, the key elements of an 'offence' are missing, and they are powerless to proceed formally against the individual.
It would probably pay to have a somewhat better description of the alleged offender. Others avoiding every elderly white haired man with a big stick would see me in Coventry!
We passed him yesterday as well ( before the altercation). He was about 5’10”, slender build, 170 lbs. He was sun tanned, clean shaven, groomed, combed shorter straight white hair wore gold chains ( carried a finished, tall, darker colored walking stick). This location is where another peregrina from Camigas reported her assault the day before yesterday. It happened on the street Acequia de Nopedron about halfway between Viana and Ermita de La Virgen de Cuevas.That must have been horrible. If members do find themselves in this situation, remember that for the police to take any action against the individual, the victim has to have sought medical attention and then taken a medical report with them when they are reporting the incident. Otherwise, as I understand the Spanish laws relating to this, the key elements of an 'offence' are missing, and they are powerless to proceed formally against the individual.
It would probably pay to have a somewhat better description of the alleged offender. Others avoiding every elderly white haired man with a big stick would see me in Coventry!
We passed him yesterday as well ( before the altercation). He was about 5’10”, slender build, 170 lbs. He was sun tanned, clean shaven, groomed, combed shorter straight white hair wore gold chains ( carried a finished, tall, darker colored walking stick). This location is where another peregrina from Camigas reported her assault the day before yesterday. It happened on the street Acequia de Nopedron about halfway between Viana and Ermita de La Virgen de Cuevas.
We will. The Camino is an amazing experience filled with spirituality, love, culture, adventure and physical challenge. We are loving our experience. This does not taint my view… it’s an alert for women to be aware.This is an excellent description and would be very useful for the police to identify the person. Accordingly I do hope you can take the time to pass it on to the Guardia Civil in Logroño.
We just went to the Police Station in Logrono and filed a detailed report. Now we continue on our Camino.Sad to hear that you have encountered such horrible incident on your pilgrimage.
Even as a male I had the AlertCop-App on my phone. You never know, if you need it someday.
Hope your experience will not suffer from that incident.
We are loving Logrono! The people and food are fantastic!!Thank you taking time out to report to the authorities. Gives an extra excuse to enjoy Logroño. Fabulous tapas in the Calle de Laurel!
Rebecca, who lives in Spain and runs an albergue on the Camino has given this excellent advice, which I hope you took:We just went to the Police Station in Logrono and filed a detailed report. Now we continue on our Camino.
We haven't help them help us in that circumstance, and all the complaining we might do won't make that any better.
What is going on? There are too many of these reports? I am beginning to wonder if the Camino isn’t as safe as it use to be.My husband and I are currently on the Camino Frances and just finished our walk for today into Logrono. A Peregrina ran up to us right after Viana visibly shaken. An elderly white haired man with a big walking stick , began to talk to her then kissed her and attempted to grope her chest. Our cell service was weak so she said she would report it when she got to Logrono, and I’m letting everyone on this Forum know as well. Apparently, the woman belongs to Camigas on Facebook and another woman posted yesterday that she was accosted by a man in the same vicinity, between Viana and Logrono.
We are currently on the Camino and always feel safe. This is an incident to pay attention to , and to be aware of, but we are so happy and thankful to be here and are loving all parts of it. This could happen anywhere in the world. The good people in this world far outnumber the bad.What is going on? There are too many of these reports? I am beginning to wonder if the Camino isn’t as safe as it use to be.
someone try to get a photo and 'mke him famous'
That’s awesome!! I just installed it on my phone.The Camino is still one of the safest places in the whole damn world.
"The authorities," such as they are, have made big efforts to make it easy for pilgrims to report these sorts of things, as well as illegal dumping, stolen goods, and suspicious "fundraisers" and "petitions" along the Camino. It's an App called AlertCops, it is free to download, free of bugs and viruses, and connects you directly to the authority you need to talk to when something bad happens, in your native language.
Larger towns all along the trail have 24 hour Guardia posts. (Local police forces are pretty much dedicated to traffic control, domestic complaints, and parking tickets.)
Don’t forget to register and activate it.That’s awesome!! I just installed it on my phone.
I did. Thanks again !Don’t forget to register and activate it.
Well said lvf !!!We are currently on the Camino and always feel safe. This is an incident to pay attention to , and to be aware of, but we are so happy and thankful to be here and are loving all parts of it. This could happen anywhere in the world. The good people in this world far outnumber the bad.
Taking that one word out of the context is hardly a basis for making any reasonable commentary. I have suggested there are actions that can be taken to ensure the police have a reasonable basis for formal action against someone who commits an assault. Airing ones grievances about police inaction, not something that the OP did in this case, but has been a regular feature of similar posts in the past, is not one of those actions."Complaining" as you put it, helps shift cultural norms of violence against women and sexual assault.
It's not my understanding that the police will only address instances where there is physical injury. Emotional or psychological injury appears to be contemplated as well. It appears the requirement to seek medical assistance and present a medical report is the same irrespective of the nature of the injury. It's not clear why you would expect different procedures and standards to apply in one case compared to the other. That makes no sense to me.I may be misinterpreting the posts here, but the impression I am getting is that people are saying the police will not take action about any sort of incident unless a physical assault supported by a medical report has taken place. While I am not familiar with the details of law enforcement in Spain, surely someone exposing themselves or giving other unwanted attention like groping or forcing a kiss should not require a medical report for the police to take action?
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