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I would like to find out what you do / don't do to gain the most from your pilgrimage, and WHY.
You walk towards Santiago. You are a pilgrim.
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striking an equine bereft of life....Please explain your post
Or as we say here "flogging a dead horse" This topic has been posted many times before and has always ended badly, hopefuly this will be the exception.striking an equine bereft of life....
. Borrowing from @Mark Lee, this is a horse of an entirely different color.what you do / don't do to gain the most from your pilgrimage, and WHY.
That is what I hoped,but on small screen it looked like a broadsword was being weilded.Thank you.striking an equine bereft of life....
Who is a „real pilgrim“? For example:
Love the drawl y'awlWell, folks...you've now heard it AL.
What I am certain of, is that there would be those who would supply the answer "no, you are not a pilgrim" based on some of the least important choices that we made and listed above and those people are sometimes the ones to trumpet the loudest "I Am A Pilgrim".
Really! I think that defining real or true pilgrim by outward appearances and behaviours is just futile and essentially stupid. If you need to define what a pilgrim is in this way so that you can judge yourself or act in the manner so you appear to be a pilgrim, you are merely aping the appearance of being a pilgrim, not being one. If you are doing it to define others, why?The "true pilgrim" has, once at least, walked from his or her front door to Santiago, without ever having actively sought any motor transportation except to (surface) cross some expanse of water or because of some injury or illness or other, and has done some significant and meaningful portion of the return walk from there.
Really! I think that defining real or true pilgrim by outward appearances and behaviours is just futile and essentially stupid. If you need to define what a pilgrim is in this way so that you can judge yourself or act in the manner so you appear to be a pilgrim, you are merely aping the appearance of being a pilgrim, not being one. If you are doing it to define others, why?
BTW, while this forum is focussed on the Camino de Santiago, we risk appearing narrow minded when we don't acknowledge there are other pilgrimage destinations both in Christian practice and that of other religions.
You are being paranoid! There are far more of your posts that I ignore than to which I respond.You seem to have developed a habit of making personal attacks against me as a response to my posts.
I disagree. The snippet of your earlier post that I quoted wasAs for "defining real or true pilgrim by outward appearances and behaviours", that's exactly the opposite of what I said !!!
If that is not a behaviour, I am not sure what is. Worse, it excludes many people, both Christian and from other religions, just on the basis of them not walking, not going to Santiago, etc, etc. It is a narrow concept of pilgrimage, and not one to which I would subscribe.The "true pilgrim" has, once at least, walked from his or her front door to Santiago, without ever having actively sought any motor transportation except to (surface) cross some expanse of water or because of some injury or illness or other, and has done some significant and meaningful portion of the return walk from there.
You are being paranoid!
Drat, I could do that but never have yet. However, for my Camino in 2016 for my 70th birthday that is exactly what I plan to do. Fortunately, my apartment is about 2 blocks away from Del Norte.I like the idea of starting from your front door.
Wow, you must be a barrel of laughs....ha haOn holiday caminos - friends, laughs, kindle, beers, news, car hire if I get bored.
On pilgrimage camino I set out on my own and will be standoffish with others. No phone, no camera, no jolly laughs, sometimes I will eat with others, generally not unless pressed. It's just me, the road and the destination. A much less intrusive existence. I like the quiet.
Why? Because you get what you pay for.
Not everyone is a barrel of laughs, and thank heaven for that, I say.Wow, you must be a barrel of laughs....ha ha
What do you mean by "pressed" to eat with others? Fellow peregrinos have to talk you into breaking bread, sharing fellowship and wonderful food with them? Ha ha. I'd only ask you once, mate. After that you're on your own. More chow and vino for me and others at the table...
Guess I ain't hospitable, baby....Not everyone is a barrel of laughs, and thank heaven for that, I say.Quite frankly, I find if I make an effort to chat with a quiet person I often find some gems beneath the surface, and a unique sense of humour ......... bizarre, warped or otherwise. Besides, if you "only ask once," you might not be considered very hospitable ........ most especially in Spain.
I think the journey is a very personal one. I don't know of anywhere I have searched the we are given the authority to judge anyone . Would doing so make our journey any better ? Buen Camino. StephenWho is a „real pilgrim“? And who is not? I have heard too many claims on this issue to recall them all. Personally, I think it is neither necessary nor helpful to define what a real pilgrim is. My question is not about what you think other pilgrims should or shouldn't do. I would like to find out what you do / don't do to gain the most from your pilgrimage, and WHY.
For example:
If you would never want anyone else to transport your backpack, why?
If you want to sleep only in albergues (or outdoors), why?
If you never book accommodation, why?
If you don't drink alcohol and/or eat meat on the Camino but otherwise you do, why?
If you would never take a camera or a mobile phone with you, why?
If it is unthinkable for you to take a bus or a taxi when you are exhausted or stuck, why?
Or are there other things which for you personally are good „rules“ for a rewarding pilgrimage?
Please keep the discussion inside the forum rules.
Thank you, this is a great post.I definitely did not start out as a pilgrim when I rushed up that mountain from SJPP on an early and foggy July morning almost nine years ago. Probably some people wouldn't see me as a peregrina now either, but during those 900 km between SJPP and Finisterre something profound happened to me, something that would not have happened in ordinary life. And it changed my life forever. Since then I have walked two more times, but unfortunately only shorter stages of 300 km each. I am still dreaming of being able to walk all the way from Sweden and I am sure one day I will.
For me being a pilgrim is about the INTENT. About finding the best inside of me, to respect the way, the surroundings and the people I meet, not judging other fellow pilgrims who are doing their thing, to take my time to actually BE on the Camino and not rush it (I still walk faster than I like to admit), to avoid my usual habits of constantly keeping up with everything on my phone, internet and such and instead use that time for thinking, reflecting, doing nothing, reading, meeting people, walk around in the village . And most of all tike TIME to just let the Camino and everything about it sink into my heart. To walk every step was part of the journey, but in case I would have needed help with my backpack or transportation that would not have changed anything. As I said before - the intent is what makes me a pilgrim, not exactly how it is done.
Thank you, this is a great post.
Stephen
Thank you, this is a great post.
Stephen[/QUO
I couldnt resist replying to this post........as a complete novice at Camino and with my start date looming large,lets get it into perspective.......for me it will be a kinda long walk across Northern Spain, following in the many footsteps of greater and lesser than myself, some much better prepared, some maybe not, but all with the same intent, to reach a goal that maybe will have no major impact on our lives, but then again nothing ventured nothing gained comes to mind........in this life expectations are one thing, reality another.......nobody knows what drives the inner man or woman to set out on pilgrimage, and pilgrimage is not just about Camino, but perhaps could be applied to the journey of life, whether you take a little break now and then is of no real consequence, what matters is that you make it in the end with your feet and spirit intact........Buen CaminoWho is a „real pilgrim“? And who is not? I have heard too many claims on this issue to recall them all. Personally, I think it is neither necessary nor helpful to define what a real pilgrim is. My question is not about what you think other pilgrims should or shouldn't do. I would like to find out what you do / don't do to gain the most from your pilgrimage, and WHY.
For example:
If you would never want anyone else to transport your backpack, why?
If you want to sleep only in albergues (or outdoors), why?
If you never book accommodation, why?
If you don't drink alcohol and/or eat meat on the Camino but otherwise you do, why?
If you would never take a camera or a mobile phone with you, why?
If it is unthinkable for you to take a bus or a taxi when you are exhausted or stuck, why?
Or are there other things which for you personally are good „rules“ for a rewarding pilgrimage?
Please keep the discussion inside the forum rules.
I first heard about the Camino de Santiago ten years before I was able to walk it. The first person I contacted for information was the priest of the local „Jakobskirche“ (Santiago church). He said: If you want to experience something that will mark you in a good way for the rest of your life, walk to Santiago from your home in one go. In other words, between 2200 and 2300 kilometres.
Thank you for the laugh!Unfortunately for me that would be 8000 KMs and an Ocean. :\
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