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I have a +/- 1cm displacement in the sacro-iliac and have lived with lower back pain for near 40 years. 6 weeks of novel exercise isn’t going to change a thing. I actually find carrying my properly fitted and loaded 7-10kg backpack a lot more comfortable than wandering back from town with a couple of shopping bags or lifting my grandsons on and off the toilet.I'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks! I was thinking to do more core strengthening work. I'm not an "avid" hiker....though it's not a huge effort to walk 6-10km at night after a 100-150km bike ride earlier in the day. I do worry about waking up ...6 or 7 days into the French Camino..and my back giving me more problems than anticipated. I will try to focus each morning on doing some prolonged stretching before picking up my backpack!! .. Thanks!!I mean, you sound pretty fit already, probably much fitter than many of us who had no issues carrying a pack of a similar weight. So I wouldn't suggest anything other than maybe doing some long walks with your loaded pack in the 6 weeks you have, and making sure you have it fitted and adjusted as well as possible for when you start.
Well, I am 75 and don't even know what those exercises are, let alone be able to do them. However, I can carry a 5-7 kg backpack and walk for 20 km/day. The backpack needs to fit you right and transfer weight to your hips and legs. Your specific lower back injuries need specific advice which we cannot give.Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack
I am training myself. I hope to begin hiking the 7th of May. I have been hiking 3-4 miles on the trails here in Colorado with the exact pack I am going to be doing the Camino with. completely packed, camel back as well. And even with some hiking experience, I have learned that learning how to pack a pack and how it should fit to the back and hips where the intent is for your hips to carry the load.Thanks! I was thinking to do more core strengthening work. I'm not an "avid" hiker....though it's not a huge effort to walk 6-10km at night after a 100-150km bike ride earlier in the day. I do worry about waking up ...6 or 7 days into the French Camino..and my back giving me more problems than anticipated. I will try to focus each morning on doing some prolonged stretching before picking up my backpack!! .. Thanks!!
If you can hold a plank for 5 minutes your core isn't going to need anymore strengthening, and too much can sometimes cause more problems especially if you start tightening up your psoas which can then lead to lower back problems.I was thinking to do more core strengthening work.
Balance bags like those from the manufacturer of Aarn packs may be worth investigating.There are a few here. i.e. superman and swimmer are good
15 exercises that can prevent low-back pain and injury
Taking the time to incorporate lower-back workouts into our routine now, can help prevent back pain later.www.today.com
I have a herniated disc and when I walked the Frances my back did not give me any problems at all. When I told my doctor about it he said that carrying a pack and walking were great for my back.I'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
Look up Mayo clinic back exercises.I'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
I have a herniated disc and when I walked the Frances my back did not give me any problems at all. When I told my doctor about it he said that carrying a pack and walking were great for my back.
Strengthen your core. Do planks, Superman positions, and other similar exercisesI'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
In my experience, having suffered from sciatica for years and having undertaken many multi day walks, stretching before and after the day’s walk is probably the best thing you’ll do. Whenever I stopped I always do shoulder rolls and stretch out my lower back. Your practitioner will advise the best stretches in your particular case. Changing socks also provides a major comfort/psychological boost.Thanks! I was thinking to do more core strengthening work. I'm not an "avid" hiker....though it's not a huge effort to walk 6-10km at night after a 100-150km bike ride earlier in the day. I do worry about waking up ...6 or 7 days into the French Camino..and my back giving me more problems than anticipated. I will try to focus each morning on doing some prolonged stretching before picking up my backpack!! .. Thanks!!
All the advice you get here helps the people who give it, but it does not guarantee that it is good for you. So it is better to make an appointment with your doctor or a physiotherapist to be safe.I'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
What she said - it is an option although that said I somewhat agree with @Tincatinker inasmuch that its all about proper load and balance. A properly loaded and balanced backpack might just do a miracle on your spineBag transport is always available.
Suggestions: since you are extremely fit due to cycling, but concerned about walking with a pack, get the pack weight down to 4 kg. Unless you are already very lean, lose body weight also. You are very strong in upper body, so if you were not already planning on using trekking poles, plan on them, train extensively with them, and use them aggressively EVERY step of your Camino. If trekking poles can take 25% of the load off your feet, then by definition I would think they could take a similar amount of load off your back. I know little about back injuries, but I suspect impact from walkng, jumping, running aggravates. A walking coach may be able to help you attain a style that minimizes the jarring. Sports orthopedist, podiatrist and orthotist may be able to assist with better gait and shoes with appropriate cushion.I'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
No. Cycling has been part of my life for almost 40 years and in no way a detriment to any physical aspect. The back issues were caused by a variety of injuries long before cycling became an integral part of my life. I’ve hiked several 3-5 day, 20km or more distances without issue. My concern here is that I’m planning 3-4 months of walking which creates a ..very new dynamic/concern.Have you considered that your cycling might be the root cause of your problems https://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/lower-back-pain-dont-blame-the-bike-32094
Would it help to have your pack on wheels instead of on your back? One source is https://www.radicaldesign.com/walking-trailers but I know there are other makers of similar items.I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
I find walking with poles keeps me more upright, and takes some of the pressure off my lower back. If I walk without poles for more than 2 hours I get a sore lower back that I need to stretch out after. Also, doing some stretching (lower back stretches that work for me) at the end of the day works best for me, and maybe some mobility exercises in the morning before heading off.I'm about a 6 weeks away from beginning the French Camino. Depending on how I feel when I get to St. Jean, I will either take a train back to Portugal, or continue on to Santiago.
In the meantime, I have an question regarding what specific back-strengthening exercises any of you have engaged to help offset the strain.
First, however, some specifics regarding my question:
1) I have a bulging disc at L5/S4.
2) I have mildly herniated discs at C6, 7 and 8. (All of these issues are from an automobile accident at the age of 5---more than 60 years ago.
3) My leg strength is not as issue as I regularly ride 500-600km a week with 2000 to 4000m of climbing.
Because of the low back issue, I cannot do squats or lunges. I am quite capable of lat pulldowns, and single-arm rowing. I also can hold a full plank position for 5 minutes without knees touching the floor.
I am quite concerned however that my low back is FAR FROM the 20km of walking a day with a pack that ..I now have down to 8kg.
Any exercise suggestions would be appreciated.
That is inspiring! 62 slowly getting into yoga and walking both with and without fully loaded pack. trying to simulate the hike and test my gear. practice helps find weak spots that might be hard to deal with in Spain.I find walking with poles keeps me more upright, and takes some of the pressure off my lower back. If I walk without poles for more than 2 hours I get a sore lower back that I need to stretch out after. Also, doing some stretching (lower back stretches that work for me) at the end of the day works best for me, and maybe some mobility exercises in the morning before heading off.
I am 75 years old, go to gym regularly, walk 2-3 times per week, have been doing yin yoga once a week for 10 years and have my own physiotherapist (my nephew). I have done 3 Caminos and am planning to start a fourth one in May this year.
Buen Camino!
WOW! Thank you for the detailed information and your specific treatments. It is always good to hear real world experience, and a lot of what you do would apply to most people, even healthy people, to assist their physical condition.Firstly, with a major L5/S1 problem, how are you able to road cycle without chronic pain?
And clearly, you’re way beyond supermen, swimmer and other beginner back strengthening exercises.
Like you, I have major lumbar ( L1 (gone from a burst fracture), L4, L5) and major cervical (C3-C7) issues, so I have a fair understanding of your situation. I also have a host of health difficulties from 2 autoimmune diseases, from bouts of chronic anemia to chronic fatigue to organ impingement to loss of functionality, besides the well known affected joints. Like you, despite all, I’m in great cardio shape … from mountain biking. Yesterday, during my cardio stress test, at the steepest incline and fastest pace, the nurse commented that mountain biking must be good for me because I was still conversing and not out of breath.
Here’s how I backpacked, post major back trauma, on multiple steep ascents (9,000 ft elevation gain) and downhills with 25 lbs/11 kg, despite my bad back.
- In the 3 months before my trek, I strengthened my core, which mitigates a bad back, by mountain biking up very steep hills (1600-1900 ft elevation gain) multiple times each ride, 3-4X/week, since I could no longer do abs nor pushups. Multi-minute planks didn’t feel like enough to me to strengthen my core, but that’s just me.
- I switched to an Osprey pack. Super lightweight, keeps my back comfortably cool. Sleek, intelligent design, with no waisted bulk, straps, zippers, or pack weight.
- I had my Osprey pack adjusted to properly fit my back by a seasoned backpacking outfittrr, as I have a short torso and long legs.
- I packed everything as tightly bundled as possible, and as close to my back as possible, with lightest weight nearest my hips, and going vertically upwards, the heaviest weight just barely above my shoulders. I hated the waist/hip belt because it made my lumbar region spasm. I made sure to use the chest strap, since it kept the heaviest packed weights close to my shoulders.
- I used ultra lightweight trekking poles, which made a difference in stability, thus stabilizing my hips and core while trekking.
- This part is very important, as I’m sure you’re aware from what your physical therapist would have instructed: I stayed in perfect posture form from my butt to my head. I pivoted my whole body, in order to maintain perfect form. No turning the head, and no straining the neck and shoulders.
- Every night, I took 10+ minutes to stretch, holding some stretches for 2 minutes. Anyone who says stretching for more than X minutes has not yet experienced major trauma that caused permanent damage, nerve impingement, and chronic pain.
- I religiously took 2 Tylenol extra strength 650 mg every night and every morning with a meal.
- If the pain kept me awake at night, I used a topical, Voltaren gel (Naproxan sodium), which is shockingly an OTD now, considering the potential fatality from cardiac arrest or stroke, when used incorrectly.
- If the pain was unbearable, and 8+ hours after using Voltaren gel, I did this 2X: I took a quarter slice of oxycodone 5mg (leftovers from post-surgery). Unlike the unfortunate, I have not yet had a problem with stopping oxycodone or hydrocodone post-surgery. The oxycodone never made me sleepy on the trail, but it took the edge off of the pain, so that I could keep hiking.
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