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Oh dear .For people who aren't as clever, it's possible to buy a similar product.
I actually used a tube and bottle system on my first Camino with a collapsible bottle. It was late August/early September, and in order to keep my water from getting hot I put it inside my pack, thus "inventing" a bladder system!Oh dear .
Here I go reinventing the wheel , again !
I bit of cross-cultural linguistic ambiguityWhen bushwalking I use a bladder , while trekking a bottle
me tooSir, forgive my flippancy, but when I first saw the title of your thread I totally misunderstood the topic.An excellent device, nonetheless. Thank you.
Purchased a bottle of water in SJPDP. Refilled it as I went. Heard about lack of fountains in the Meseta so purchased a second smaller bottle in preparation. No problems and easy to rinse and refill. My biggest problem? Didn't realize the last fountain before a long hot stretch of the Meseta was foot operated. It was dark. Continued without filling.When bushwalking I use a bladder , while trekking a bottle . Both have advantages and disadvantages so I decided to combine both .
A bottle with a bite valve , easily made in a few moments using rubber bands a bite valve from a punctured bladder I had and a generic disposable water bottle .
The only ' fabrication ' needed is to make a hole in the bottle lid . A heated nail or screw driver will do this if you haven't got a drill .
Hopefully the photos are self explanatory , the hole should be tight and the end of the tube cut at an angle so it doesn't seal on the base of the bottle .
I don't understand your question.I like your idea but how does air get back into the bottle to replace the water?
I use a bladder and have a small plastic bottle partially full for emergency use, which I have only had to use once.Brilliant! I used a bottle and my partner used a bladder and neither of us were truly happy with our choices. I was carrying less water and had to fuss to get it out of the side pocket of my bag when I wanted a drink and he couldn't see the bladder in his bag to know when he was running low. Thank you for sharing!
If you’re walking as a pair put your bottle in the outside pocket of your partner’s sack, and vice versa.Brilliant! I used a bottle and my partner used a bladder and neither of us were truly happy with our choices. I was carrying less water and had to fuss to get it out of the side pocket of my bag when I wanted a drink and he couldn't see the bladder in his bag to know when he was running low. Thank you for sharing!
That is such a great idea! Thank you!If you’re walking as a pair put your bottle in the outside pocket of your partner’s sack, and vice versa.
I have competed in mountain marathons in the past and it’s common to carry each other’s water, waterproof and snacks in accessible (by your partner) pockets.
I go the other way, and have a bladder, normally 2 li, and have a 500-600ml bottle in the top of my pack. I drink from the bladder, and if it empties, empty the bottle into it, which can be done without removing the bladder from my pack. I then have an empty bottle that is easier to refill at fonts, etc, and if necessary, treat with a water purification tablet and wait the necessary time for that to take effect.I've always used a camelbak type bladder, but in one of @Robo's videos, he mentioned that he can monitor how low his water supplies are by using bottles. I'll get a tube/hose/straw like Trecile linked to for the bottle(s), and keep a full bladder as a just-in-case. That's my plan. Until you guys change my mind
You can buy wine in bladders, see: https://3parkswine.com/products/la-...This box is four bottles,of glass, corks, etc.I find that my daily wine allowance is only issued in bottle form, not bladder, so the answer is simple…
A very clever idea!I bring from home an empty baked beans can. This fits into the pocket and the bottle fits loosely into it. When I want the bottle, I just reach back and lift the bottle out. To put it back I just reach back until I feel the bottom of the bottle is over the can, and let go.
There are caminos with stages where you cannot be 100% certain that you can fill your water bottle on the way. All of them. You should never, ever take less water then you need for the day. 2-3 kilos = 2 - 3 litres. This would be more than necessary, but 1 litre is the minimum. So you carry an extra 1/2 kilo? Worse things can happen.When you consider that everyone is doing their best to keep pack weight down to an absolute minimum, Why would you want to add an extra 2 to 3 kilograms to it by carrying so much water? I buy a 500mm bottle of water just before I start my Camino and just refill it as I go. I have never run out of water. As for having difficulty getting the bottle out of the side pocket of my pack, I have a very simple solution that costs nothing. I bring from home an empty baked beans can. This fits into the pocket and the bottle fits loosely into it. When I want the bottle, I just reach back and lift the bottle out. To put it back I just reach back until I feel the bottom of the bottle is over the can, and let go. Simple and easy. After removing the label from the can you are left with a shiny silver finish which reflects the suns rays, combined with the air gap between the bottle and the can it keeps the water cooler than if it was just in the pocket on its own, even the net covered pockets. I am a strong believer of the KISS theory. Keep It Simple Stupid. I am not calling anyone here stupid, just naming the theory. As a "by the by", my pack including water is 5 kilograms.
When bushwalking I use a bladder , while trekking a bottle . Both have advantages and disadvantages so I decided to combine both .
A bottle with a bite valve , easily made in a few moments using rubber bands a bite valve from a punctured bladder I had and a generic disposable water bottle .
The only ' fabrication ' needed is to make a hole in the bottle lid . A heated nail or screw driver will do this if you haven't got a drill .
Hopefully the photos are self explanatory , the hole should be tight and the end of the tube cut at an angle so it doesn't seal on the base of the bottle .
500 ml? Really?When you consider that everyone is doing their best to keep pack weight down to an absolute minimum, Why would you want to add an extra 2 to 3 kilograms to it by carrying so much water? I buy a 500mm bottle of water just before I start my Camino and just refill it as I go. I have never run out of water. As for having difficulty getting the bottle out of the side pocket of my pack, I have a very simple solution that costs nothing. I bring from home an empty baked beans can. This fits into the pocket and the bottle fits loosely into it. When I want the bottle, I just reach back and lift the bottle out. To put it back I just reach back until I feel the bottom of the bottle is over the can, and let go. Simple and easy. After removing the label from the can you are left with a shiny silver finish which reflects the suns rays, combined with the air gap between the bottle and the can it keeps the water cooler than if it was just in the pocket on its own, even the net covered pockets. I am a strong believer of the KISS theory. Keep It Simple Stupid. I am not calling anyone here stupid, just naming the theory. As a "by the by", my pack including water is 5 kilograms.
There are caminos with stages where you cannot be 100% certain that you can fill your water bottle on the way. All of them. You should never, ever take less water then you need for the day. 2-3 kilos = 2 - 3 litres. This would be more than necessary, but 1 litre is the minimum. So you carry an extra 1/2 kilo? Worse things can happen.
Ah yes, mummy's special Ribena,You can buy wine in bladders, see: https://3parkswine.com/products/la-nevera-tinto-red-3-litre-box-wine#:~:text=This box is four bottles,of glass, corks, etc.
Me tooSir, forgive my flippancy, but when I first saw the title of your thread I totally misunderstood the topic.An excellent device, nonetheless. Thank you.
Well, if the bottle you are drawing from is rigid and the tube has a bite valve, a vacuum is created. How is this negated. A bladder is collapsible therefore not an issue.I don't understand your question.
I do the same but using my plastic mug as the holder. And I carry another 500ml inside my pack.I bring from home an empty baked beans can. This fits into the pocket and the bottle fits loosely into it. When I want the bottle, I just reach back and lift the bottle out.
I think it is likely that pressure equilibrium will be restored as you finish drinking and are releasing the bite valve.Well, if the bottle you are drawing from is rigid and the tube has a bite valve, a vacuum is created. How is this negated. A bladder is collapsible therefore not an issue.
Well, if the bottle you are drawing from is rigid and the tube has a bite valve, a vacuum is created. How is this negated. A bladder is collapsible therefore not an issue.
Indeed, I rest my case.I think it is likely that pressure equilibrium will be restored as you finish drinking and are releasing the bite valve.
But clearly there will be some negative pressure when you suck water from the bottle. A plastic bottle might deform a little to compensate for this. The next time you open the bite valve to drink, air will be returned to the bottle to restore equilibrium. Depending upon how well the bite valve seals, this might happen without the bite valve having to be opened. A rigid container might not deform so easily, unless to can suck hard enough and long enough to create a quite large negative pressure it will be there waiting for air to rush in when next one goes to drink!
Not really sure you had one!!Indeed, I rest my case.
I have a bladder in my pack too but the weight is such a downside. So I'm going to use a Lixada Water Bottle set up on my next camino in May. $18 at Amazon. Worth a look.I've always used a camelbak type bladder, but in one of @Robo's videos, he mentioned that he can monitor how low his water supplies are by using bottles. I'll get a tube/hose/straw like Trecile linked to for the bottle(s) or Charles' very good hack, and keep a full bladder as a just-in-case. That's my plan. Until you guys change my mind
Absolutely. Discussions over how to carry your water are insignificant in comparison with how much.Granted, I've not yet done a Spanish Camino, so I don't totally understand (yet) the water supply issue. Much more research to do before my May 2022 Camino! However, having done the 850 mile California Mission Trail (El Camino Real), I can say that I am an avid water bladder user. I would never consider going back to water bottles. For me it's all about easy access and weight distribution. I'd much rather have the weight centered on my back than hanging off to the side.
I don't understand criticisms of bladder weight because bladder materials are very lightweight and water weighs the same whether it's in a bottle or a bladder. It all depends on how much you put in the bottle or bladder. Regarding sanitation, it's easy to rinse it out daily and refill. There much less (if any) wash-back with bladders than with bottles. It is a good idea to sanitize them on occasion, but I rarely do it more than once a month.
To each their own! Buen Camino.
Some excellent outside the box thinking! I too use a bladder when bushwalking but on the Camino a bottle is easier to refill at the frequent watering places. However this invention many be worth a try.When bushwalking I use a bladder , while trekking a bottle . Both have advantages and disadvantages so I decided to combine both .
A bottle with a bite valve , easily made in a few moments using rubber bands a bite valve from a punctured bladder I had and a generic disposable water bottle .
The only ' fabrication ' needed is to make a hole in the bottle lid . A heated nail or screw driver will do this if you haven't got a drill .
Hopefully the photos are self explanatory , the hole should be tight and the end of the tube cut at an angle so it doesn't seal on the base of the bottle .
When bushwalking I use a bladder , while trekking a bottle . Both have advantages and disadvantages so I decided to combine both .
A bottle with a bite valve , easily made in a few moments using rubber bands a bite valve from a punctured bladder I had and a generic disposable water bottle .
The only ' fabrication ' needed is to make a hole in the bottle lid . A heated nail or screw driver will do this if you haven't got a drill .
Hopefully the photos are self explanatory , the hole should be tight and the end of the tube cut at an angle so it doesn't seal on the base of the bottle .
500 ml? Really?
That would last me 5 kms. I'd end up dehydrated on longer stretches without fountains/cafes.
Some excellent outside the box thinking! I too use a bladder when bushwalking but on the Camino a bottle is easier to refill at the frequent watering places. However this invention many be worth a try.
Very interesting, a nice bit of kit! Thanks Dave.There are adapters that fit right on the feeding tube which allow one to refill the water reservoir/bladder without even the need to take off your backpack. When used for Camino, I do not use it with a water filter as I would when wilderness backpacking.
In use, I grab my collapsible 1 liter water bottle, remove the quick disconnect cap I have screwed on, fill the bottle with as much water as I want, quick connect the bottle to the adapter on the feed tube and allow the water in the bottle to refill the bladder. It takes me less than 30 seconds to do this, and as I mentioned, I do not need to take off my backpack. The reservoir never needs to be removed for refills.
The link to a video about quick disconnect adapters. Ignore the water filter that is part of the assembled system. For potable water, the quick disconnect goes directly onto the refill bottle.
This is the collapsible water bottle that I use, although there are numerous products that also work just fine. If I want to be sure I do not accidentally run out of water, I will keep about 0.5L of water in the bottle, and then decrease the amount of water I carry by the same amount. So, for example, if I want to carry a total of 1 liter of water, 0.5L is in the bladder and 0.5L is in the collapsible water bottle.
NOTE: Some individuals may need to filter even potable water due to immune system issues or other health concerns. If that is the case, it is very easy to filter all microbials and parasites by adding a small inline filter - designed for backpackers - to the quick refill system.
I have done some simple measurements of my fluid expenditure on local walks in summer. On a moderately hot day, ie temperatures in the high 20s and low 30s, my expenditure gets to around 700 ml/hr. Locally, if I know I can collect water, I carry a 2 li bladder and a 600+ml bottle, and I use this approach on the camino. If I cannot be sure of collecting water, I replace the 2 li bladder with a 3 li bladder for day walks.Robo, Your 500ml for 5 k would be about 2.5 litres for a standard 25k day. I would drown in that much water. Usually I refill my bottle once during the day. I have never had a problem with 500ml across the meseta. I used to run marathons until I was 65 and only ever had a drink at the halfway mark. Obviously I don't need as much water as some people.
Robo, Your 500ml for 5 k would be about 2.5 litres for a standard 25k day. I would drown in that much water. Usually I refill my bottle once during the day. I have never had a problem with 500ml across the meseta. I used to run marathons until I was 65 and only ever had a drink at the halfway mark. Obviously I don't need as much water as some people.
Yess, a wheel!! What a marvelous idea.Oh dear .
Here I go reinventing the wheel , again !
I have done some simple measurements of my fluid expenditure on local walks in summer. On a moderately hot day, ie temperatures in the high 20s and low 30s, my expenditure gets to around 700 ml/hr. Locally, if I know I can collect water, I carry a 2 li bladder and a 600+ml bottle, and I use this approach on the camino. If I cannot be sure of collecting water, I replace the 2 li bladder with a 3 li bladder for day walks.
Even then, there is always the prospect of becoming dehydrated, and having to do something about that at the end of the day after one has sorted out accommodation for the night!! There are less pleasant tasks to attend do.
Are we close to over-thinking this yet, or is there time for a couple more exchanges? Lets see!!Interesting comparisons @dougfitz
So my 'mileage' works out at 100 ml /km.
But I walk slowly. 4 kph.
You probably walk faster.
Let's say 6 kph.
700 ml / 6kms - 116 ml / km.
Are we close to over-thinking this yet, or is there time for a couple more exchanges? Lets see!!
Knowing one's fluid expenditure, in either time or distance terms, is probably a good thing in terms of planning out one's walking day if you want to really finesse how much water to carry. I don't do that, but it seems a legitimate way of managing this.
I prefer to carry a full water bladder and reserve bottle, and not worry too much about stopping at every bar or font. I would normally refill wherever I had lunch, although I do recall forgetting on a couple of days and having to deploy my reserve bottle!
I almost invariably hike with my wife, and that is what we do (although we share whatever bottles we are carrying and will usually drink from the same one until it is empty, then move on to the next). It does require pausing for a moment or two, but that is rarely a problem ... indeed, it’s generally a welcome excuse for a short break.If you’re walking as a pair put your bottle in the outside pocket of your partner’s sack, and vice versa.
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