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People who call the Camino "the way" after the film. No reason, it is the direct translation I guess, but it just annoys me.
I concurIt's your camino
Join the listPeople who call the Camino "the way" after the film. No reason, it is the direct translation I guess, but it just annoys me.
Bradpus you have always had a way with words"the El Camino"
Or in extreme cases "the El Camino trail"
Verbose Spanish could get up your noseWhat annoys me even more is “the el Camino”.
Sounds like a lentilI once metI don't know much French, but 'the Le Puy' always strikes me as strange.
Now there is history for youI remember a big sign outside one town that indicated that you were on the camino. I think it said the "Camino Frances." Anyway, it was in Spanish, English and German but not French.
By the way I like your new photo you look different in some way"the El Camino"
Or in extreme cases "the El Camino trail"
Well said Chris@rector, Pilgrims who say the three things you have listed I believe are being sincere and not trite. What better place to express such phrases than while walking these amazing pilgrimages. They most likely have...
1. Had a "camino family" they walked with and gotten to know, thus enriching their personal experience
2. Had the "camino provide" for them in a small way, possibly as small as some chocolate given to them when they'd run out of food
3. Have had some person come to their aid in a helpful and sincere fashion, thus becoming a "camino angel" to them. (There is a "David" on this forum who is literally a walking first aid kit to anyone who needs assistance. I would call him a camino angel.)
My honest appraisal is that I personally am not annoyed by these phrases.
Like the headdress FrankCamino Francis. It's not a Frank, it's French!
The Camino will provide!!!!!
I am trying to write read and watch James Bond but I concur completelyI hate that one too!
For me, it's "Plan B".
Same difference.
Jill
I am trying to write read and watch James Bond but I concur completely
Like the glassesHe definitely had a Plan B
My honest appraisal is that I personally am not annoyed by these phrases.
I admire your good nature and tolerance.I have to admit that I'm with Camino Chris and none of those phrases irk me
I don't know much French, but 'the Le Puy' always strikes me as strange.
I will await with baited breath your honest and sincere reply
OK, I give in - just how can you (mis)pronounce Pamplona?Sometimes it is not the words but how well meaning Texans pronounce "Pamplona" that annoy me.
Are you by any chance a fan of Which Tyler, the leader of the Pedants' Revolt?Ah, @rector, one of my pet secular peeves! Writers who cannot tell the difference between holding their breath in anticipation and filling their mouths with what might be attractive baubles in a vain attempt to attract an audience. I see you defer to the latter.
Sometimes it is not the words but how well meaning Texans pronounce "Pamplona" that annoy me.
Is it Pam-plona...or Pom-plona....Sometimes it is not the words but how well meaning Texans pronounce "Pamplona" that annoy me.
Or pimple..loaner!Is it Pam-plona...or Pom-plona....
Here in the borderland...Camino de Santiago....literal translation is Santiagos RoadOr pimple..loaner!
There is a lot that gets lost in translation and...as the Spanish love saying to the English when in Spain....grassy ass!Here in the borderland...Camino de Santiago....literal translation is Santiagos Road
I prefer to translate it as the Tao of Santiago.Here in the borderland...Camino de Santiago....literal translation is Santiagos Road
Or the way of Zentiago!I prefer to translate it as the Tao of Santiago.
Love this, Al!What annoys me is that nothing anyone says annoys me!
You are absolutely right! My perspective comes from being a teacher and encouraging students to get it right, and also from being a student of languages and sometimes struggling followed by a feeling of success. In my original comment I should have used the word amuse rather than annoy.On the forum, we can’t see each other. We can’t hear each other. We have different educational backgrounds. We have many first languages. Last year ! I made a big mistake and corrected someone, although meant without harshness, where I assumed the poster was a native English speaker. I re-learned something that day that I already knew, I was not being sensitive to the poster. I am posting this in the hope it will be taken as it is meant: just a reminder to native English speakers that there is no entrance exam in English spelling on the camino, or on the Forum!
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Are you by any chance a fan of Which Tyler, the leader of the Pedants' Revolt?
Don't force yourself to feel amused when you feel annoyed - it won't make you happier.I should have used the word amuse rather than annoy.
Don't force yourself to feel amused when you feel annoyed - it won't make you happier.
I'm actually annoyed - ok let's say non-plussed - when someone tries too hard to pronounce a word from a foreign language as pronounced in that foreign language while speaking say English and not as usually pronounced in English.
I'm actually annoyed - ok let's say non-plussed - when someone tries too hard to pronounce a word from a foreign language as pronounced in that foreign language while speaking say English and not as usually pronounced in English. Brand names of cars are a good example. Personal names, too. Geographical names are another one. After all, we don't say Rrrroma [ˈroːma] (listen)), we pronounce it as Rome. I tend to pronounce Pamplona slightly differently, depending on whether I (try to) speak English, Spanish or German, and will say Pampelune in French.
Totally with you here.@rector, Pilgrims who say the three things you have listed I believe are being sincere and not trite. What better place to express such phrases than while walking these amazing pilgrimages. They most likely have...
1. Had a "camino family" they walked with and gotten to know, thus enriching their personal experience
2. Had the "camino provide" for them in a small way, possibly as small as some chocolate given to them when they'd run out of food
3. Have had some person come to their aid in a helpful and sincere fashion, thus becoming a "camino angel" to them. (There is a "David" on this forum who is literally a walking first aid kit to anyone who needs assistance. I would call him a camino angel.)
My honest appraisal is that I personally am not annoyed by these phrases.
It's the inflationary use of these terms - camino family, camino angel and even buen camino - that makes me personally feel averse to them.
"alburge" "alberge" "alberque" "aubergue" etcIt may be my age, it may be the damage that I have absorbed during my time on this earth, but I sometimes get annoyed! Some of the random titles applied and phrases used about the Camino really annoy me. I here include a few for your honest appraisal.
My Camino Family!!!!!!!
The Camino will provide!!!!!
Camino Angels!!!!!!
I will await with baited breath your honest and sincere reply
I agree wholeheartedly about your wanting some peace and a bit of space. How do we balance that with the feeling of being excluded?.....I prefer to walk without being surrounded by a "Camino family" and do get annoyed when these Camino families take over the path and the kitchen/living spaces. I just want some peace and a bit of space.
Ah you have caught me out baited was put in there for a reason, but look at the fun so many people have had. I am just sorry that I had to work last night and missed the funAh, @rector, one of my pet secular peeves! Writers who cannot tell the difference between holding their breath in anticipation and filling their mouths with what might be attractive baubles in a vain attempt to attract an audience. I see you defer to the latter.
Now the poles get to me too, but they do come in handy sometimesI say this with a chuckle, because humans are complicated and we all have days where people irritate us. I wonder if there's a forum for the Spaniards who live along or by the any of the routes. "If I hear another pilgrim asking for café con leche...." or "those damn poles that go tap, tap tap" or "pilgrims that wake us up as they walk down the street at 7:00 talking about some guy in their albergue who woke them up early".
So perhaps your breath was both bated and baited?Ah you have caught me out baited was put in there for a reason, but look at the fun so many people have had. I am just sorry that I had to work last night and missed the fun
"Buen Camino". Although well intentioned, I quickly grew fatigued with constantly hearing it. I guess it is because it is almost thrown out willy-nilly as if it is the required faddish kit of being on pilgrimage; sort of like the notion that one must have trekking poles -- regardless of knowing how they are used -- because THAT is what a REAL pilgrim has and says.
After the billionth time hearing it, I would smile pleasantly and wish the greeter a "good walk" or "good journey" or "Ultreya".
No as an old angler I can assure you that it was definitely baitedSo perhaps your breath was both bated and baited?
Duct tape is like the Force - it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.Immediately reminded me of this famous flowchart explaining how either duct tape or WD40 are the solution to most engineering problems
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Actually in June the roses were amazing. I have photos of spectacular roses at HontanasTake time to smell the roses! On the Meseta?
Who says that we are focussing on it? And where does it appear that we don't have enough optimism and positivity in our lives? A long time ago, I came across a book entitled Smile or Die and while I remember little of what I read I'm really glad that it taught me that all this forced positive thinking and talking isn't as healthy as it is made out to be.Why focus on the negative and dislikes?
You didn't read the thread! You missed the best parts.FYI - it's "bated" breath, not "baited."
Dear Jeff Why focus on the negative Start the new year with a more positive attitudeWhy focus on the negative and dislikes? Why not start out the year with a fresh new outlook, perhaps more optimism and positivity in your life? Your listed phrases lift my spirits every time I hear or read them, and personally, I don't find them annoying at all. FYI - it's "bated" breath, not "baited." Thanks.
Oh dear not the best way to start 2019. I hope you are walking sometime this year and try to put all these negative thoughts behind you.It may be my age, it may be the damage that I have absorbed during my time on this earth, but I sometimes get annoyed! Some of the random titles applied and phrases used about the Camino really annoy me. I here include a few for your honest appraisal.
My Camino Family!!!!!!!
The Camino will provide!!!!!
Camino Angels!!!!!!
I will await with baited breath your honest and sincere reply
It is never off my lipsOh dear not the best way to start 2019. I hope you are walking sometime this year and try to put all these negative thoughts behind you.
I do hope you are happy with 'Buen Camino'
Oh dear not the best way to start 2019. I hope you are walking sometime this year and try to put all these negative thoughts behind you.
I do hope you are happy with 'Buen Camino'
Agree. Furthermore, everyone has some minor "preferences" and laughing at our own reactions can be a very positive way to deal with them.I don't see this so much as having negative thoughts
As I wrote on another thread:
Buen Camino can get pretty annoying when you are traveling at a pace that allows the 10,000 peregrinos who have started after you to greet you as they pass.
Comfortable!There have been forum members, walking alone, who have mentioned that they've felt excluded by 'camino families' encountered on the trail and in albergues. I experienced this myself (feeling excluded) in an albergue kitchen one morning. Fortunately, I was walking with two cousins; I left the albergue with them and I didn't dwell on it. But I have to wonder how the solo (perhaps introverted) peregrino feels when he finds himself among camino families who are not inclusive.
Exactly!Camino Francis. It's not a Frank, it's French!
Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh."the El Camino"
Or in extreme cases "the El Camino trail"
I always walk on my own, in the evening I see the same groups of people frequently doing their thing. I think exclusion can be a blessing, I met some many groups that just chat about nothing consistently that I often stop and let then pass, sometimes it’s hard to get peace in the albergues and on the trail..There have been forum members, walking alone, who have mentioned that they've felt excluded by 'camino families' encountered on the trail and in albergues. I experienced this myself (feeling excluded) in an albergue kitchen one morning. Fortunately, I was walking with two cousins; I left the albergue with them and I didn't dwell on it. But I have to wonder how the solo (perhaps introverted) peregrino feels when he finds himself among camino families who are not inclusive.
Pepe Le Puy one of my favorite child cartoons in the 60'sI don't know much French, but 'the Le Puy' always strikes me as strange.
Before tv came to my part of the world or, rather, before my family acquired a tv.Pepe Le Puy one of my favorite child cartoons in the 60's
My Camino Family!!!!!!!
The Camino will provide!!!!!
Camino Angels!!!!!!
It's your camino
People who call the Camino "the way" after the film. No reason, it is the direct translation I guess, but it just annoys me.
"the El Camino"
Or in extreme cases "the El Camino trail"
If I had to pick a phrase that bothers me it would be "a real pilgrim", as in "you're not a real pilgrim unless...".
"the El Camino"
Or in extreme cases "the El Camino trail"
Using the way or the camino in English often reminds me of a term that is missing and has largely disappeared from common parlance in this context: Saint James. Very few people refer to Saint James' Way in English, while German speakers or French speakers use the apostle's name in connection with the ways leading to Santiago more often: Jakobsweg and chemin de Saint Jacques.People who call the Camino "the way" after the film. No reason, it is the direct translation I guess, but it just annoys me.
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