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I've just been reading a live Facebook post from a relative, who is a conductor, saying the he has just found that his harpsichord tuning hammer is no longer allowed in his carry-on luggage. Ironically he is at Chopin Airport (Warsaw).
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
Probably not. My guess is that he wasn't carrying a harpsichord hammer on the Camino.Do you mean specifically for the Camino?
I had a pocket knife in my first aid kit on flights from Dublin to Madrid Santiago to Madrid however on my home leg from Madrid to Dublin the knife was confiscated by securityI've just been reading a live Facebook post from a relative, who is a conductor, saying the he has just found that his harpsichord tuning hammer is no longer allowed in his carry-on luggage. Ironically he is at Chopin Airport (Warsaw).
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
... The sporting goods store we found there was a Decathlon-Capital (I wonder if it is part of a chain). ...
Okay, what exactly does a lawyer do with a bodkin, or should I be afraid to ask?Yes, I walked through local security numerous times with an old lawyers bodkin in my briefcase. I'd forgotten it was there
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Okay, what exactly does a lawyer do with a bodkin, or should I be afraid to ask?
A little distraction now and then is good for our mental health. And I did find your post very interesting and informative, even if it had nothing to do with the camino!All of which is totally unrelated to the camino. I can't even think of a segway!
And yet in some flight classes with certain airlines you can find very sharp, six inch long , serrated steak knives amongst the cutlery .
I'd have to take your word for that one. I haven't recently had the privilege of travelling up the front!And yet in some flight classes with certain airlines you can find very sharp, six inch long , serrated steak knives amongst the cutlery .
@JillGat, you have been a member of this forum since June 22, 2015 and ask such a questionI was surprised to see somebody knitting on the plane
Knitting needles are allowed?
I bought a bottle of wine in Santiago for our priest who had given us advice on the Camino. Confiscated at Madrid airport. I thought being sealed it would be okay. Will put in checked luggage this year
Waiting to see if they make it to London in April.
See https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/article...icted-items-what-you-cannot-take-board-flight
Personally my belief is that these rules are fairly simple to understand and so easy to comply with. I do not really understand why people seem to waste brain power trying to find loopholes. I am more interested in my own safety than the "cleverness" of naughty people.
Or 5 cm for some of us but let's not go there, pleaseMy little scissors with a half inch blade are definitely within the 6 cm limit.
Yes, I walked through local security numerous times with an old lawyers bodkin in my briefcase. I'd forgotten it was there
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Jill on my annual trips to India to volunteer, I always took knitting needles for making head bands. I never did understand why they were allowed, but was grateful that they were. And yes, many of the children got very chilly in Jan and Feb. And this was southern India.!I had cuticle clippers taken away once. Not sure how you could stab somebody to death with those. However I was surprised to see somebody knitting on the plane
Knitting needles are allowed?
If you look closely at the picture of the bodkin it has an eye in it for drawing thread or cord through an object. So, it's a different tool than an ice pick.Just an FYI, the bodkin is known here as as an ice pick. It is used for chopping a large block of ice into smaller chunks. However, from my three-decade career as a federal law enforcement & intelligence officer, I can reliable tell you that it is also known as a trained assassins expedient weapon of choice.
Without getting too graphic, one swift strike through a temple or an ear canal interrupts brain activity, causes a massive cerebral hemorrhage and, if applied via the ear canal, is not instantly recognizable when the police arrive. In fact, this was a favorite up-close and silent weapon of the former Soviet GRU, then KGB, and now FSB in the new Russia.
I do hope you do not try to travel with it... It might set off curious minds.
I hope this helps.
Or even a segue?Yep, although only in some courts. My wig rarely gets an outing these days. My favourite bit of the gear is the pocket hanging from the back of the gown, into which clients are supposed to put their money. It is all a bit ridiculous but several years ago we had a spate of murders of judges in a court where the wigs and gowns were no longer used. The psychologists advised that there needed to be a way of distancing the person from the office, and it was decided going back to wigs and gowns was a good way to do that. Wigs are not used in our High Court though, presumably the public never get close enough to those judges to be a threat.
All of which is totally unrelated to the camino. I can't even think of a segway!
If you look closely at the picture of the bodkin it has an eye in it for drawing thread or cord through an object. So, it's a different tool than an ice pick.
Knitting needles used to be banned (post 9/11) for International travel from Australia. They even made it onto the list of prohibited items. But at some point a few years later were okay!! I don't knit anyway, but Kathar1na, who knows if it'll be a part of my 3rd Camino life changing experience and I'll need to be prepared psychologically for the whole experience.I had cuticle clippers taken away once. Not sure how you could stab somebody to death with those. However I was surprised to see somebody knitting on the plane
Knitting needles are allowed?
Without getting too graphic, one swift strike through a temple or an ear canal interrupts brain activity, causes a massive cerebral hemorrhage and, if applied via the ear canal, is not instantly recognizable when the police arrive. In fact, this was a favorite up-close and silent weapon of the former Soviet GRU, then KGB, and now FSB in the new Russia. I do hope you do not try to travel with it... It might set off curious minds. I hope this helps.
If it's over 100ml/~3 ounces you can't take it aboard, as it's a paste.My daughter gave me a jar of Biscoff spread. It's the consistency of peanut butter but made out of Biscoff cookies. It was confiscated at the Columbus Ohio airport. Not quite sure what hazard it posed.
We all know what Rosa Klebb had planned with her knitting needles!!Knitting needles give me the chills as well.
We all know what Rosa Klebb had planned with her knitting needles!!
Just joking because you have to be an oldster like me to know that Rosa Krebb was a villain in the second James Bond movie (From Russia with Love) who tried killing 007 with by stabbing him with poison-tipped knitting needles.Actually....we don't ALL know....
Okay, what exactly does a lawyer do with a bodkin, or should I be afraid to ask?
Do checked bags often get lost? I'm a little concerned about this if we can't carry on our 45 liter backpacks. We are flying direct from Dublin to Biarritz on Aer Lingus. Bedsides height of bag, we were planning to bring bed bug spray so weren't sure about getting that onboard in a carry-on.We've generally, since 9-11, put our Swiss Army knifes in a checked bag, but one time we only did carry-on and remembered on the taxi to the airport that we still had a knife with us. Gave it to the taxi driver, which seemed preferable than giving it to security. Last year, when our checked bag was lost (with hiking poles and knives), we were able to replace the lost items easily in Bilbao, Spain. The sporting goods store we found there was a Decathlon-Capital (I wonder if it is part of a chain). I also have seen Swiss Army knives at many Tabac shops and similar in Santiago, which leads me to believe that knives are pretty easy to find along "The Way."
Hola
As far as I know all luggage, carry on as well as checked, will be scanned for liquids which will be removed.
You have to buy the wine at the airport to be able to import it into your home country.
Buen Camino
Lettinggo
Personally, I have "graduated" from carrying a Swiss Army (SA) type knife on Camino for all the above discussed reasons. I now carry either a Gerber "Dime Travel," or Leatherman "Style PS" multi tool. BOTH were designed to be TSA (US) compliant.
This issue gave me the most headaches before setting out.. I had bought special and carefully chose equipment and my hiking poles were absolutely essential. But the many, many nightmare stories about this gave me a fright, until I read I could replace them in France if it were coming to that. I ended up deciding on what was most important. My epic lightweight sleeping bag and clothes I could not easily replace. This all went into a carry on bag which I could later use on the Way strapped to my backpack and use as a ground cover to sit on. This stayed with me on the plane, it had multiple use. My hiking poles, telescopic ones, which I could replace in France in case they were lost, fitted in my backpack, thoroughly wrapped in its rain cover, it went as checked in luggage.I've just been reading a live Facebook post from a relative, who is a conductor, saying the he has just found that his harpsichord tuning hammer is no longer allowed in his carry-on luggage. Ironically he is at Chopin Airport (Warsaw).
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
No, this isn't the case. If you buy wine at airport duty free, you can actually carry it onto the plane. Otherwise it must be checked in your luggage. The quantity might vary with the airline (I notice that Air Canada says 2 L) but the Canadian air travel security agency (CATSA) says the following:As far as I know all luggage, carry on as well as checked, will be scanned for liquids which will be removed. You have to buy the wine at the airport to be able to import it into your home country.
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
A similar comment was made to me about the 35-45mm plastic toothpick supplied with my other eating utensils; and this was at a time when Australian Aviation Authorities insisted that we use plastic knives!!?? (Go figure!)
I've just been reading a live Facebook post from a relative, who is a conductor, saying the he has just found that his harpsichord tuning hammer is no longer allowed in his carry-on luggage. Ironically he is at Chopin Airport (Warsaw).
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
I've just been reading a live Facebook post from a relative, who is a conductor, saying the he has just found that his harpsichord tuning hammer is no longer allowed in his carry-on luggage. Ironically he is at Chopin Airport (Warsaw).
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
That's right. How much product is left in a bottle or tube is immaterial, it's the actual size of the bottle or tube that matters.I had a near empty tube of toothpaste confiscated because it had 125 ml printed on the outside while no problem with several oranges which could have been filled with toothpaste.
The airport officials told me I should have put it with my checked luggage. They even suggested I go back and check it in separately but we were running lateHola
As far as I know all luggage, carry on as well as checked, will be scanned for liquids which will be removed.
You have to buy the wine at the airport to be able to import it into your home country.
Buen Camino
Lettinggo
I've just been reading a live Facebook post from a relative, who is a conductor, saying the he has just found that his harpsichord tuning hammer is no longer allowed in his carry-on luggage. Ironically he is at Chopin Airport (Warsaw).
I know that trekking sticks are a perennial issue, but what other weird or strange things have you had to discard or repack into checked luggage?
What is the over-reaction? It appears to have been treated as a realistic replica of an explosive device, which is not permitted to be carried on an aircraft. Until it could be proven to be a replica, eg by someone trained in bomb disposal, the closure of the airport to quarantine the item appears to me to be entirely justified. And before you suggest they might have asked the person whose baggage it was, I suspect they would have been the last person they wanted near the item until they were certain about its nature.But I think there was a slight over-reaction that could have been solved rather easily.
If that is what members of the travelling public are trying to bring on board, I am glad that there is a high level of security!TSA discovered 56 firearms last week in carry-on bags around the nation. Of the 56 firearms discovered, 51 were loaded and 19 had a round chambered.
And just imagine what they didn't find!
What is the over-reaction? It appears to have been treated as a realistic replica of an explosive device, which is not permitted to be carried on an aircraft. Until it could be proven to be a replica, eg by someone trained in bomb disposal, the closure of the airport to quarantine the item appears to me to be entirely justified. And before you suggest they might have asked the person whose baggage it was, I suspect they would have been the last person they wanted near the item until they were certain about its nature.
If you think the level of security is 'overweening', perhaps you should have the occasional read of the TSA blog at blog.tsa.gov. For the week at the end of Jan this year, the firearm stats alone were If that is what members of the travelling public are trying to bring on board, I am glad that there is a high level of security!
Probably no such pit exists because the last thing that authorities want someone to do is to move any suspected explosive device from the point where it has been detected without the specialist knowledge and tools needed. I know that in my workplace, the response is to evacuate the immediate are and leave the suspicious object exactly where it was discovered, and wait for the local bomb response team. Even they won't move an object until they have determined that it is unlikely to detonate if it is handled if it does contain explosives.It would be simple to take a piece of baggage with a replica hand grenade to a pit designed to control a blast so force goes somewhere 'safe'. The problem is no such 'pit' or any other measures to deal with 'dangerous' substances exists.
Probably no such pit exists because the last thing that authorities want someone to do is to move any suspected explosive device from the point where it has been detected without the specialist knowledge and tools needed. I know that in my workplace, the response is to evacuate the immediate are and leave the suspicious object exactly where it was discovered, and wait for the local bomb response team. Even they won't move an object until they have determined that it is unlikely to detonate if it is handled if it does contain explosives.
You seem to be making much of the fact, that authorities would only have been able to confirm after the device was thoroughly examined, that this device was inert. At the point of detection I suspect that it looked very much like a grenade, and in the circumstances where one grenade has been found it would be reasonable to address the risk that there might be other devices. Even it a devices was inert, it is also possible that it was a decoy, and a search still conducted for other devices. In a small terminal, evacuating the terminal and conducting a proper search appear to be sensible approaches designed to protect life and property. I don't see how your approach does enough to address the safety of all the people who might be involved.
There are some very strange ideas in here, and suffice to say I disagree with you, as, it would appear, does the TSA so far as flights originating in the US are concerned.Yeah it makes sense to leave an explosive device where it is found. However, that's not quite the same situation if the bag containing the explosive device has already been moved around vigorously via the cargo system and cargo handlers ... its not then going to matter if you pick it up the entire bag and throw it into a safer place.
The authorities merely needed to contact the owner of the bag ... who would have been able to 'defuse' the situation as it unfolded.
"In a small terminal, evacuating the terminal and conducting a proper search appear to be sensible approaches designed to protect life and property."
If there was anyone getting serious about security that lighter (aka inert grenade) would never have gotten near the terminal building ... if it ever really was a threat. See how Israel does it. There is nothing sensible about the 'security' in our airports.
See Orville dam. See how they had to disconnect the power house to let the emergency spillway operate ... and can't use the generators to spill more water. That's the same dumb approach as our airports ... people not thinking it through.
As it is now ... If I were so inclined (and I am not) I could buy a box of demilitarized grenades and have a heap of 'fun' seeing what happens when one is passed through baggage security and cause airports to shut down. There is nothing illegal about transporting a lump of metal in your luggage ... no matter how it is shaped.
Okay, what exactly does a lawyer do with a bodkin, or should I be afraid to ask?
"Take your brain and leave your [fake] grenade at home" is a slogan I just read on a website on aviation security. Easy to memorise.
The reason why toy guns, inert or replica grenades and half-empty 125 ml cosmetics tubes will be confiscated or, if the former, are not even allowed as checked in luggage in numerous airports around the world is easy to understand: it's not because they are dangerous. It's because their presence in luggage interferes with the smooth running of the airport, holds up traffic of passengers and goods, costs time that is better used for the detection of serious danger.
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/09/tsa-travel-tips-tuesday-leave-your.html
Are you being deliberately provocative for fun?Yeah, so the de-militarized lumps of metal are confiscated ... but not illegal.
I suppose this means we can stop the whinging about confiscated trekking poles too. Instead of a grenade full of explosives I could fill the pole with it.
Are you being deliberately provocative for fun?
If so then I believe that your humour is misplaced.
If not then I will pray for you on my Camino.
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