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"I know we're all vaccinated, and I'm not going to get Covid, but I'm going to get something."
(Jon Stewart - The Late Show, June 14)
@David
If this picture was taken by you: May I please copy it to post it in another forum (german) for readers?
Here in ANZ Influenza is a notifiable disease and there were zero cases of it reported last year, not just zero deaths, zero cases!While we've all been living our socially distanced lives, our immune systems haven't been getting their usual workouts. Regions that have lifted restrictions are seeing increases in cases of norovirus and other infections that we think of as "winter" illnesses.
Norovirus warning as bug spreads in England after lockdown eased
Public health experts say cases of vomiting bug are at higher levels than usual for summer monthswww.theguardian.com
What it means - Expect more outbreaks of "winter colds" and other bugs on the Camino this season. Keep your ears open for news of outbreaks and take the appropriate precautions to prevent infection. [In the case of norovirus, that means washing hands with soap and water, for example].
In the interest of "knowing your enemy," here's a Norovirus fact sheet from the CDC
And that shows just how much more contagious Covid is than the flu!There is ample research showing masks prevented a significant flu season in many countries.
All the more reason not to share common bunkrooms this year. Find a buddy who is vaccinated and share a private room.My understanding is that the Norovirus is quite common on the Camino, and similar that involve communal living etc. The Appalachian Trail is another where it is transmitted at the busier shelters and communal meals. Most people on the Camino who get it think they drank bad water. Nope. It was more than likely from the dirty hands of a fellow pilgrim at an albergue. None of us know the hygiene habits of our fellow pilgrims after they have a sit on the potty. Did they really wash their hands properly?
If I use the utensils and dishes at the albergues I always wash them with the hottest water possible before I use them, as well as after. No telling what is on them in that drawer or cupboard. Also (especially now) it is wise to carry hand sanitizer.
Thanks for the article. One thing that this pandemic has taught me is that the immune system is more complicated than I ever imagined.But don't worry that your immune system is "out of practice" after over a year of distancing.
Is all this social distancing weakening our immune systems?
May 26: We’re staying home, social distancing, and avoiding contact with all kinds of germs. Will this weaken our immune systems? What happens when we start going out again?medical.mit.edu
I was referring more to the other viruses, not the covid-19. The Norovirus has always been there and just a hazard of communal living. As far as finding buddies to bunk with on the Camino and crashing together in private accommodations, that may not be really practical all the time, lol. Not to mention expensive, and a lot of pilgrims like myself enjoy solo walking. It very may well go way beyond the budgets of many pilgrims. On prior Caminos I met pilgrims with daily budgets of around ten euros. The communal albergues, especially the donativos were their only option.All the more reason not to share common bunkrooms this year. Find a buddy who is vaccinated and share a private room.
Thanks. Depending on the virus, masks may help to a greater or lesser extent. In the case of norovirus, for example, viral particles on surfaces are a significant vector for infections.Use the masks! With the Delta virus around, using the masks will further protect you from other viruses as well as the latest variants. And stay out of common sleeping quarters where others might not use masks. There is ample research showing masks prevented a significant flu season in many countries.
Thanks. Depending on the virus, masks may help to a greater or lesser extent. In the case of norovirus, for example, viral particles on surfaces are a significant vector for infections.
I hope we can avoid this thread being derailed by a mask wearing debate.
Well, yes. And where did they come from? And how did our immune system's ability to respond to them come about? Fascinating stuff that's beyond my ability to comprehend.Dang viruses!
I beg your pardon?????? We have managed to contain most of our covid really well until they started letting international flights in - JUST LIKE YOU - and the air crew and international passengers bought in the new variants - so get your facts right!!!!! You also seem to forget that most flights to NZ were filled with kiwis wanting to return home from Oz to see their families - so they are in fact Kiwis not aussies.Here in ANZ Influenza is a notifiable disease and there were zero cases of it reported last year, not just zero deaths, zero cases!
This year was looking good toountil we let those b***** Ozies in and now we have Influenza AND our kids are getting really sick with Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), with young kids in ICU .
Clearly a moral dilemma in full battle at the moment.But understand and respect that it’s people’s choice.
Hope the negative test result is with you soon David, take care.I think you are right. Although double vaccinated I had to go for a PCR test this morning as I have a summer bug. Normally I would just live with it but in these times it seemed the responsible thing to do.
In the UK we usually have between 5,000 and 20,000 deaths from Flu - and Flu hasn't gone away - though with all this lockdown and mask wearing it had a very hard time infecting people over the last winter - almost no cases.
It is such a strange world now! - on a bookshop door -
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I think Doughnuts comment was made in jest - however our hospital ICU's are pushed beyond coping with babies suffering from RSV - our health officials state that because last year when in lockdown, we didn't come into contact with viruses our systems didn't learn to fight them off.I beg your pardon?????? We have managed to contain most of our covid really well until they started letting international flights in - JUST LIKE YOU - and the air crew and international passengers bought in the new variants - so get your facts right!!!!! You also seem to forget that most flights to NZ were filled with kiwis wanting to return home from Oz to see their families - so they are in fact Kiwis not aussies.
It's not just NZ, the US is also seeing a dramatic surge in RCV among infants & children as well, and officials are citing the same reason, that social distancing over the last year meant people were not developing immunity.I think Doughnuts comment was made in jest - however our hospital ICU's are pushed beyond coping with babies suffering from RSV - our health officials state that because last year when in lockdown, we didn't come into contact with viruses our systems didn't learn to fight them off.
Interesting, how vulnerable we become when not exposed
Doughnuts comment made me laughI beg your pardon?????? We have managed to contain most of our covid really well until they started letting international flights in - JUST LIKE YOU - and the air crew and international passengers bought in the new variants - so get your facts right!!!!! You also seem to forget that most flights to NZ were filled with kiwis wanting to return home from Oz to see their families - so they are in fact Kiwis not aussies.
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