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If my research was correct, St. Francis departed Assisi, in Italy during 2013. He and his traveling party walked north then west out of Italy, into southwestern France, across Provence, and south across the Pyrenees into Iberia at the Somport Pass. By official records and historical accounts it took him until 2014 to complete his Camino to Santiago de Compostela, and until 2015 to walk back to Assisi. That's how one did it then - both ways! We are, all of use, slackers by comparison.
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The MOST significant thing about this is that coming out of the very old town of Puente la Reina, one necessarily walks through the SAME archway, over the SAME bridge and for several hundred meters at least on the remnants of the SAME ancient Roman road that Saint Francis actually stepped on in 2014.
they are the VIII Centenary Dates , they should read 1213 , 1214, 1215 I believe. There is a thread relating to the VIII Centenary hereCan you explain the bold bits please? I assume it is a joke? Or do you write from the future: "actually stepped on in 2014" ? SY
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Does anyone know if St Francis of Assisi walked the Camino? If he did when was this? Is there any information anywhere about his experiences and rewards from his walk?
Thanks
Rosetta
Sound advice! The route is hot and busy.Remind me never to travel in August.
An invaluable quote and an attitude I aspire to. Grateful ....Sound advice! The route is hot and busy.
Plagiarised several times over:
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Sound advice! The route is hot and busy.
Plagiarised several times over:
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Sadly, I think the answer to the original question is "probably not", or "not" in the sense that he made the pilgrimage to Santiago - obviously his travellings in Spain will have crossed some caminos. It seems, however, unlikely that San Francisco ever set foot in Galicia. Neither of his first three biographers (Tommaso da Cellano, who knew him well, Julianus Teutonicus, who was probably present at his reburial in Assisi in 1230, or San Bonaventura, who was 5 when St Francis died, and will have met many of the saint's followers) mentions the pilgrimage to Santiago. The first certain mention of Saint Francis at Santiago comes in Ugolino de Montegiogio's Actus beati Francisci et sociorum ejus, written well over 100 yeas after his death.
But you can't prove a negative, especially not one from 800 yeas ago.
Happily the answer to the original question is "yes" as he arrived in Santiago in 1214 and founded the convent and church which still has some remains of the original convent. As well why would the Franciscans try to trick us into believing he did . The certificate which is being given this year "Cotolaya" would be a joke if he didn´t. Simply because no mention was made till until 100 years later. If we apply this system we would have to say that the Holy Bible ( New Testament) was a very nice story as it was written much later as well.
http://www.turgalicia.es/ficha-recurso?langId=en_US&cod_rec=3435&ctre=34
Ondo Ibili !
Care to share that evidence?
Ondo Ibili !
No evidence better said lack of evidence on your part. Thanks, I move on.
Ondo Ibili !
The Poor Clare's at this monastery are very hospitable . there convent is supposed to have been founded somewhere in the 12 century. They also provide an albergue and private rooms.The Albergue de Peregrinos Convento de Santa Clara in Carrion de los Condes is one of the places where he was reputed to have stopped, though whether this is true or not I don't know.
I did read this post, but when I went to the Church of St Francis in Santiago in 2014, I was told that he definitely did walk to Santiago and arrived in 1214 which is why they now issue their Compostela on the 100th anniversaries.See post above by @Robert V J Varman ofs Buen Camino, SY
If you look at the bottom right hand corner of the Compostela I have attached to my last post, you will see that 2014 was the 800th anniversary of St Francis's pilgrimage to Santiago, so that makes it in the year 1214.Only some are supported by evidence and some aren't. Really, there isn't any evidence at all, like contemporary writings/witnesses ect that Saint Francis really walked to Santiago and his life is very well documented that way. What date / year did they give you for his pilgrimage? SY
I have no idea, so when I am in Santiago this year I will visit the St Francis Convent again and ask why they believe he did go there and where is the written evidence.So why did none of his contemporary autobiographers (Thomas of Celano and others) mentioned this? Certainly a major pilgrimage like this would have been important to them? SY
The Catholic Encyclopedia entry for St Francis has this comment wrt his visit to Spain 'Authentic details are unfortunately lacking of Francis's journey to Spain and sojourn there. It probably took place in the winter of 1214-1215.' Further, the context of this journey appears to have been St Francis' desire to proselytize in Morocco, and travelling to Santiago, on the other side of the Spanish peninsula, would not have been consistent with that goal.If you look at the bottom right hand corner of the Compostela I have attached to my last post, you will see that 2014 was the 800th anniversary of St Francis's pilgrimage to Santiago, so that makes it in the year 1214.
One wonders how someone writing many decades after St Francis' death established this when the biographer who joined the order at the time this pilgrimage was said to have taken place, and wrote his biographies in the decade following the saint's death, did not think to mention these things.There is also talk of a biography dating to around the 14th century, Las Florecillas de San Franciso, chapter 4 refers to this pilgrimage. The biography is said to be in the Franciscans' archives.
I really don't think this is a good comparison. The gospel's differences can indeed be explained by noting the four authors were sharing different views of times they had witnessed. No such justification is available to a biographer who was working a century later compared to one who joined St Francis at the time these events were said to have taken place.Very interesting comments here.
It does not surprise me that different chroniclers give different accounts. The biggest example of this are the four Gospels. What is written in one may not be in another, but that does not diminish my belief in them.
Let's keep the faith.
If my research was correct, St. Francis departed Assisi, in Italy during 1213...
The MOST significant thing about this is that coming out of the very old town of Puente la Reina, one necessarily walks through the SAME archway, over the SAME bridge and for several hundred meters at least on the remnants of the SAME ancient Roman road that Saint Francis actually stepped onLuv this post!
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