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...but don't stop thinking about today, either. I'm reminded in this winter of our camino discontent of my all-time favorite poem, "Ithaka" (Google it) by the Greek poet C.P. Cavafy. As the dream of a 2021 camino gradually and sadly concedes to the reality of the pandemic in Spain it's probably a good idea to focus on present circumstances. In that vein, what are ya'll doing in the meantime either as an alternative to the camino or just something to make this enforced hiatus tolerable (or even useful) in some other way?
The first thing your thread title brought to mind for me was Fleetwood Mac. Different cultural frame of reference I suppose.
Are you familiar with a concept known - depending on your cultural appreciation as:
1 The ship of Theseus (I claim this is mine)
2 My Grandfather’s axe
3 Trigger’s broom (you have to be British), or
4 The line-up of the Sugababes (I confess to not actually knowing who they are)
Me too! I guessed immediately who Trigger must be but I hadn't heard about his broom (or didn't recall it). Love it.Cheers! Learned something new with googling number three!
I was invoking the Fleetwood Mac song, but the Cavafy poem is more in line with my thinking. You got me on the "Ship of Theseus," reference however. I'm familiar with the conundrum, but don't see how it fits here.The first thing your thread title brought to mind for me was Fleetwood Mac. Different cultural frame of reference I suppose.
Are you familiar with a concept known - depending on your cultural appreciation as:
1 The ship of Theseus (I claim this is mine)
2 My Grandfather’s axe
3 Trigger’s broom (you have to be British), or
4 The line-up of the Sugababes (I confess to not actually knowing who they are)
I’m sorry - I thought the thread title was a reference to the more erudite poem you cited.I was invoking the Fleetwood Mac song, but the Cavafy poem is more in line with my thinking. You got me on the "Ship of Theseus," reference however. I'm familiar with the conundrum, but don't see how it fits here.
Well, Theseus had a ship and Odysseus had a ship and they were both Greek, so I guess there is some overlap. Not to mention the fact that they both had both romantic liaisons and near-death experiences during their travels. Cruising was obviously more interesting then.I’m sorry - I thought the thread title was a reference to the more erudite poem you cited.
I was confessing my cultural ignorance in thinking that it was from a popular song. Turns out I was wrong.
The ship of Theseus example is from metaphysics, first described by Plato and others and asks the question ‘if every part of the ship of Theseus is replaced, bit by bit, is the resulting ship still the ship of Theseus.
From the sublime to the ridiculous, the lineup of the (I had to google them) all-female singing group the Sugababes, changed one at a time such that none of the original lineup remained. Are they therefore the Sugababes and - if the original lineup reformed would they (ignoring intellectual property rights) also be the Sugababes?
The intermediate examples are two of hundreds which exist through time and internationally.
It is said that one’s cultural frame of reference can be readily identified by which of the variants on Ship of Theseus one relates to.
My intention was self-deprecating.
Back to you asking what we are doing in the meantime to fill the Camino void. Besides delving into this website, I do walking4fun, sometimes look at Camino photos, and now I have splurged and bought tickets for October, even though I know I am going to have to reschedule for 2022....but don't stop thinking about today, either. I'm reminded in this winter of our camino discontent of my all-time favorite poem, "Ithaka" (Google it) by the Greek poet C.P. Cavafy. As the dream of a 2021 camino gradually and sadly concedes to the reality of the pandemic in Spain it's probably a good idea to focus on present circumstances. In that vein, what are ya'll doing in the meantime either as an alternative to the camino or just something to make this enforced hiatus tolerable (or even useful) in some other way?
Yup, I've been looking at flights SFO-MAD for late September or early October. Might pull the trigger if airlines continue their liberal change policies so no jeopardy if conditions do not improve. It would be psychological comfort just to see it on the wall calendar.Back to you asking what we are doing in the meantime to fill the Camino void. Besides delving into this website, I do walking4fun, sometimes look at Camino photos, and now I have splurged and bought tickets for October, even though I know I am going to have to reschedule for 2022.
You have hit on one of my concerns, too. At 75 I don't have much more time to waste waiting for the Camino or any other active diversion to be open again. Years do go by quickly the more they build up, and plans deferred (i.e., a year lost) at this stage of life seems particularly unfortunate. Getting closer to my personal Ithaka (Cavafy again) I wouldn't mind another adventure before arriving.Well, I suppose I am trying to keep fit so that when the camino does call again, I will still be in a state to walk it. I'm just not sure how much longer it will be and whether the hips/knee/shoulder joints give up before then.
Meanwhile, I spent this morning researching the Herefordshire trail. 250km jaunt around the beautiful English countryside. It would be quite a challenge for me to do as the logical stages are too long for me. It would also cost a small fortune - £100 a night for some B&Bs, and then there's meals to add as well. Left me wondering if it would be worth it, especially as so many of the reasons I walk probably won't be there.
There always be a tomorrowbut tomorrow never comes!
Then it will be today!There always be a tomorrow
I am with you here but oh! how I want to be off again!!!I think, think, think, but am not pouncing yet...waiting til all the "ducks are in a row" first.
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