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I also felt this was the more difficult walk. When I transferred my GPS track for the leg Pontedeume to Bentanzos to Google Earth, I found not only was I slower that day, it was just a little steeper on some of the climbs.I actually found this etapa less hard than the walk out of Pontedeume...
http://caminodesantiago.consumer.es/etapa-de-pontedeume-a-betanzos
Might be because the walk to Bruma is on unpaved roads. Yes it is very steep but less hard for the feet...
And the cold beer in Bruma is very welcome indeed!
IF - any of you can give me the town names around the desired segment I will do this.
Using my GPS track and exporting it to Google Earth gives a slightly different perspective. It was 1.75 km with a climb of 160 m, an average slope of about 9% and a maximum slope of 19%.Sabine's link made the initial climb look longer and tougher than it actually seems to be (said from the perspective of not having to walk it ;-) - about one mile total, with the middle two tenths at around 13% - never at 14 or over.
Xacboeo has a "Profile Map" here for the stage: Miño - Bruma
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More here:
http://camino.xacobeo.es/en/stages/mino-bruma
Not sure if this helps!
Ivar
O Meson do Vento is close by Hospital de Bruma !Jo - I have a method that could provide this info, but you will need to do some work. Go to the RideWithGPS site and select Plan. You will need a starting point, and it recognized Mino, Spain for me. When it asks if you want that as your starting point, say no, and then find where on the map you want to start graphing and click.
If you select OSM Outdoors from the Map dropdown in the top right corner; it displays the Camino route as a dotted red line. I tried to locate Bar Julia, but it turned out my search had found one near Barcelona. I'm guessing we're talking about the stretch between Km's 9-10 on the profile that Ivar pointed to, but the grade at Km 22 looks about the same.
Basically, you want to plot the route so RWGPS will show you the elevation profile at the bottom with a calculated %. Although OSM shows the Camino route, it is not part of the Google package that RWGPS licenses, so you cannot automatically follow (snap to) it. Zoom in on the segment you want to plot while looking at OSM, and use the Draw Lines function. The more waypoints you provide, obviously the greater accuracy. Since you only want a small section, start and end where you wish.
===>>> IF - any of you can give me the town names around the desired segment I will do this. There is a learning curve in RWGPS.
I saw Betanzos on the maps, but not Bruma.
Charles
It does not look like doable.. It is doable. Many went before you !Muchas gracias, everyone, this is all extremely helpful! I was much alarmed by Ivar's map, until I realised the huge difference in the horizontal and vertical scales. It looks like it's doable after all - not really any steeper than some of the climbs I've done on the Wainwright Coast-to-Coast path in England. Charles, Castilian, and DougFitz, I'm especially grateful for your very detailed breaking down of the path into segments - to know that you've only got about 1/4 mile (say) of 19% grade at a time makes it seem much more manageable. And the photo helps immensely to visualise it. I'm going to try that tracking site myself. Thanks for the warning about the stage out of Pontedeuma, Sabine. Forewarned is forearmed, as they say. I'll certainly be grateful for cold beers after all of these climbs!
I am so looking forward to that "cold beer" or two after reading this thread. I guess I was working under the assumption that the Ingles was mostly flat, but then I'll be training my legs on the climb to Somport in June.I actually found this etapa less hard than the walk out of Pontedeume...
http://caminodesantiago.consumer.es/etapa-de-pontedeume-a-betanzos
Might be because the walk to Bruma is on unpaved roads. Yes it is very steep but less hard for the feet...
And the cold beer in Bruma is very welcome indeed!
O Meson do Vento is close by Hospital de Bruma !
Using my GPS track and exporting it to Google Earth gives a slightly different perspective. It was 1.75 km with a climb of 160 m, an average slope of about 9% and a maximum slope of 19%.
That is true. Special on the camino Ingles it is so because it is a very rural area with only a few people living there around.I had been looking for "Bruma" as the name on the map, and only later noticed that there was a Montes and Hospital "de Bruma".
A large part of the difficulty is that there seems to be a different place name every 300 meters in Galicia.
It's in the section between the albergue and the top of the climb! I'm sorry, but there is a point where I'm not going to do a metre by metre analysis of my GPS tracks!Would you know just where the 19% was - nothing I saw in street-view looked that steep.
I routed to and from the albergues when I could find them, but they aren't always marked on the OSM Outdoors map.
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7033448
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7033486
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7033521
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7033581
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7033603
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/7033801
I must say I find it rather difficult to understand this obsession with gradients, and the calculations thereof. I mean, we're going to walk it, aren't we, regardless of whether it's 10% or however many metres rise per kilometre.
When the steep bits come, then just get into bottom gear and trudge on.
I can average about 5kph on the flat, but am really really slow climbing hills - locals on crutches sail past me.
There are so many wonderful tools available today that do these calculations for us that it is difficult to resist the temptation to use them. I think cyclists get more interested than walkers because they find it more difficult to negotiate steeper slopes without dismounting. So having done the CI, used a GPS and knowing how to use a couple of the currently available tools, I am happy to share the results. Believe me, I let the tools do the calculations, and hope very much that the developers who coded them have the arithmetic correct!I must say I find it rather difficult to understand this obsession with gradients, and the calculations thereof.
In the context of the original post, it made sense to provide a number. It was not about walking the camino, but about setting up a treadmill. I have no idea whether these devices can be set with slopes the equivalent of the steepest sections of the CI or any other route, but I am happy to provide the information.Aaaugh! Numbers! Calculations! Humbug!
There are really freakin' steep bits on this camino, but there are bars and drinks machines at strategic points. That's all you need to really know.
Numbers are no help.
In the context of the original post, it made sense to provide a number. It was not about walking the camino, but about setting up a treadmill. I have no idea whether these devices can be set with slopes the equivalent of the steepest sections of the CI or any other route, but I am happy to provide the information.
In the context of the original post, it made sense to provide a number. It was not about walking the camino, but about setting up a treadmill. I have no idea whether these devices can be set with slopes the equivalent of the steepest sections of the CI or any other route, but I am happy to provide the information.
Absolutely! I never thought the information was being provided in that context.Knowing how steep the slope was would not have prevented me re-tearing my achilles tendon just before the top of the hill, or helped me as I hobbled and cried my way up that steep slope the other side of Bar Julia.
I now have this image of @Jo Rutter trudging past Bar Julia towing her treadmill behind on a little cart, or even worse, with it strapped to her back, so that she can get a bit of extra exercise in at nights if the day's walks have not been steep enough for her liking!Probably if I had some more of the technological equipment I too would want to use it, but I travel only with a debit card and a happy heart.
Good point! Maybe take off the backpack and roll myself (and it) down? Seriously, I hope my poles will be my friends for this!Left one question . How do you cope with going "downwards " on your treadmill ?
You can train yourself going upwards on the treadmill machine at the sportsgym up till about 12% inclination ? The machines I am training with are not able to imitate going downwards . Going downwards was more than a challenge .
In the south of Galicia coming from Portugal we met some nasty hills .
Only by zig zagging all the time it was doable .
Keep in mind with your backpack on , your "center of gravity " you normaly are used to , is at a different spot so this makes it even more difficult.
Charles, I believe you bike the Camino and therefore will not have been on some of the sections covered by walkers. There is no way that street view can show some parts of the Camino.Would you know just where the 19% was - nothing I saw in street-view looked that steep.
the only flat long distance walk 540 kms is here in the Netherlands called the Pieterpad (path of Peter). Almost no inclination at all except for 2 or 3 times about 100 to 300 metersI am so looking forward to that "cold beer" or two after reading this thread. I guess I was working under the assumption that the Ingles was mostly flat, but then I'll be training my legs on the climb to Somport in June.
Charles, I believe you bike the Camino and therefore will not have been on some of the sections covered by walkers. There is no way that street view can show some parts of the Camino.
Response moved to a PC.I was just trying to figure out where that section was. dougfitz declined to provide that info, so I'll just leave it at that.
Aaaugh! Numbers! Calculations! Humbug!
There are really freakin' steep bits on this camino, but there are bars and drinks machines at strategic points. That's all you need to really know.
Numbers are no help.
The bar is at the beginning of the steep hill (Bar Julia ) so after a beer or two better call a taxi or Antonio of hostal O Meson NovoThank you. When I showed my wife your post she sent me a simple message:
Let go. Let Camino.
We are so looking forward to June. And to the bars at the top of the climbs!
The one at Leiro is slightly further the the sign would lead you to believe, However when we reached it Tia it was closed 10.00am and it wasn't a Sunday we saw nothing as we walked through Cos but a sign for an albergue so couldn't be sure about a Bar.The bar in Vizoño, at the top of the hill after Casa Julia, is reported as shut as the owners have retired. Take plenty of water from Betanzos in case Casa Julia is not open when you pass. We did hear that there is now a bar in Cos, can anyone confirm this, also in Leiro maybe which would be a help even if just off the Camino.
"let go. Let camino."
Thanks. I was just kidding, OK?
Note that this statement is essentially untrue - I had provided sufficient information to satisfy the OP. But apparently had not met the fanatical demands for detail @Charles Hansen seems to need. If it helps him, here is the Google Earth screen shot of my GPS track coming out of Bentanzos clearly showing the point at which that application has calculated the slope at 19.4%. I hope this is an end to the matter.dougfitz declined to provide that info
That was a nasty slope. I thought not far from this point on the pictureNote that this statement is essentially untrue - I had provided sufficient information to satisfy the OP. But apparently had not met the fanatical demands for detail @Charles Hansen seems to need. If it helps him, here is the Google Earth screen shot of my GPS track coming out of Bentanzos clearly showing the point at which that application has calculated the slope at 19.4%. I hope this is an end to the matter.
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The treadmill at incline is an excellent training method whether you are talking about Camino or everyday fitness for your other sports or just plain life. All of us use it at my rowing club to increase thigh strength and core fitness. My usual gym routine is two hours am and two hours pm everyday and that training is not for a Camino. Whether you are doing a Camino or not, aiming for good fitness is a good thing. I'm not sure what your machine is - I have a Life Fitness at home (a home gym) and also this is the kind we use at my row club. It goes to an incline of 11. Half my workouts are floor mat and stretching, some weights and the machines. The treadmill on incline is a good habit. I usually do my first few miles on flat, increase gradually to 11 (the highest setting). I will within this time increase and decrease inclines to a more interval training approach. To further increase your core muscle (abs) and thigh strength you can (if confident enough) step back three or four steps so that you are further behind on the treadmill at incline, then take strong steps forward. I've done this for years and years. I don't think it's a matter of getting fit just for a Camino . You will then paddle board standing up with ease at home plus have the best beach body in town! There isn't any such thing as being too strong. Buen Camino. Pat
I remember both hills, and I think the one in Pontedeume is steeper, perhaps a bit shorter, but certainly very steep, very stimulating first thing in the morning!
That was a nasty slope. I thought not far from this point on the pictureView attachment 16598
On the Caminho Português are steep hills downwards .do not underestimate them.Hi Ekelund, your words are very encouraging - thank you. I am more worried about decants actually, they hurt more. I am now considering the walk from Tui to SDC, it looks flatter, but I haven't written off CI. I have time to decide, I'm not walking until June. Thanks everyone for your help.
Hi all,
As the weather is still intermittently wet and gloomy here in England, I've been training on a treadmill on rainy days. I've been setting it at a gradient of 10% to simulate uphill walking, but would like to set it to the actual gradient if I could, just so I can get an idea of what I'm in for! Can anyone advise? I don't mean the gradient of the entire rise from Betanzos to Bruma, just the gradient of the first (worst) main hill that reportedly takes about 45 minutes to climb. 'Steep' means different things to different people ;-)
Thanks -
Jo
Hi all,
I've done a forum search for this answer, and not come up with anything specific yet , so I'm hoping someone more skilled at interpreting those elevation charts of the camino stages can help me.
As the weather is still intermittently wet and gloomy here in England, I've been training on a treadmill on rainy days. I've been setting it at a gradient of 10% to simulate uphill walking, but would like to set it to the actual gradient if I could, just so I can get an idea of what I'm in for! Can anyone advise? I don't mean the gradient of the entire rise from Betanzos to Bruma, just the gradient of the first (worst) main hill that reportedly takes about 45 minutes to climb. 'Steep' means different things to different people ;-)
Thanks -
Jo
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