SYates
Camino Fossil AD 1999, now living in Santiago de C
- Time of past OR future Camino
- First: Camino Francés 1999
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Last: Santiago - Muxia 2019
Now: http://egeria.house/
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Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
interesting in the invitation, in both Anglican and Roman Catholic services I have attended:You haven't misunderstood me @JohnMcK The door is open to everybody and the hand is extended to everybody ;-) BC SY
My conviction is that this is a broad invitation to all irrespective of creed, and as an Anglican I have never had any issues with taking communion in a Catholic service, nor have priests we have spoken with.
I'd respond that maybe the forum rules don't really permit this sort of discussion ...
How many were of no religion?Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
BC SY
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
6thHi Sybil
I’m Christian and fall into the Protestant numbers..
I am really surprised the % stats you’ve gathered show such low numbers of protestants. So many I meet are Protestant.
Buen camino to all
Annie
I had a winter "flu" jab last weekend and the side effects have been dramatic to say the least but was brought out of my stupor by your posting. Not because of the content (I'm RC BTW) but because of the phrasing.Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
Is this percentage of 10%-15% higher or lower than the percentage of posters who have read the full blog post and numbers at the link you provided?As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. [...] Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
I am aware of the fact that Javier Navarro, a former prior of Roncesvalles and committed pioneer from the early days of the revival of the Camino, collected data of pilgrims staying at Roncesvalles, including their religious affiliation, and these annual lists were published in amigos newsletters. I would be surprised if they are still doing this, though. Times have changed, the collection and processing of personal data are treated very differently now and it is my impression in particular that Spain is among those EU countries that takes this very seriously.As far as I know (please correct me if you have more information!) only one of the main starting points collects information about the church affiliation of pilgrims and that is Roncesvalles on the Camino Francés.
Could you also address the following: how many agnostics are on the Camino? How many atheists are on the Camino?Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
I guess it can be easily done by anyone using the method described for a rough estimate of the number of Protestants but what would be the point? Is there a need, or a services market if you like, for church space and clergy and church services for agnostics and atheists in Santiago, as there apparently is for Protestants? This was obviously the point of this calculation exercise, see quote from "here": When you start a new ministry, such as our Anglican Camino Chaplaincy here in Santiago, everyone asks the same questions: Is there enough interest in this kind of ministry? Is it worthwhile? Are there enough pilgrims that might be interested in this?Could you also address the following: how many agnostics are on the Camino? How many atheists are on the Camino?
Now why the hell would you have a service for agnostics and atheists? Just curious to know.I guess it can be easily done by anyone using the method described for a rough estimate of the number of Protestants but what would be the point? Is there a need, or a services market if you like, for church space and clergy and church services for agnostics and atheists in Santiago, as there apparently is for Protestants? This was obviously the point of this calculation exercise, see quote from "here": When you start a new ministry, such as our Anglican Camino Chaplaincy here in Santiago, everyone asks the same questions: Is there enough interest in this kind of ministry? Is it worthwhile? Are there enough pilgrims that might be interested in this?
I would guess that the Cathedral's pilgrims mass more than adequately covers the relevant needs of agnostics and atheists ....
?? Not understanding Michael ?6th
Nooooooooooooooooo Annie
Then please do let us count you 'in'......you are important to God and he does count you. love sandiI’m Church of England, notionally. Belief in God optional. We’re not especially religious, but would help out if they were short.
Count me - or not - as you see fit.
Good question, isn't it?Now why the hell would you have a service for agnostics and atheists? Just curious to know.
Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
I'm an Anglican. AKA reformed Catholic. That doesn't make me a Protestant. I take communion, after I've spoken to the priest before the service. Never been refused.
Joke Annie Irish sence of humour?? Not understanding Michael ?
I am quite sure there are plenty of agnostics at the pilgrim mass at Santiago. There were plenty along the WayGood question, isn't it?
And another question is: Are there never any agnostics and atheists among the congregation of the daily pilgrims mass in Santiago?
And an answer to a question that hasn't been asked: I can only guess why @SYates posted this information but my guess it that they worked these numbers out for their own purposes and thought they might be interesting for others.
Ah well ... there are things that separate some Christian Churches from other Christian Churches and some of them are quite fundamental and one of these differences has come up in this thread. But apart from that, and no matter how one handles this century old issue individually, it's quite nice to go to a service that is more geared for "us" ... difficult to explain perhaps.I am just surprised that anyone would need a separate pilgrim’s mass - protestants included.
Again, a quote from the link posted in the initial post of this thread:Especially as the only time I see the term Protestant nowdays is by staunch Roman Catholic journalists.
Yes. I agree. Much better to keep religion out of Pilgrimage.I'd respond that maybe the forum rules don't really permit this sort of discussion ...
Yes. I agree. Much better to keep religion out of Pilgrimage.
Thanks for laughing, Michael, as my post was intended as a joke. I personally have no religious belief but you cannot delve far into the human condition without reckoning with religion. The history is riveting and the buildings and artefacts are beautiful. We all walk for our own reasons. I love the idea I’m following footsteps several centuries old. I also love Northern Spain.Hello Tony, when I read this I laughed out loud. I mean no offense, but to me, Pilgrimage is about religion and all things religious. I suspect what you meant was to keep religious topics off the form except for oblique conversations.
It is very strange to me that religious so quickly divide humans when the purpose of almost all religions is to bring peace and joy to the world. Individuals are seldom capable of feeling sure enough in their own religion to be able to also feel completely comfortable with the religious persuasions of others.
I enjoy religious, spiritual topics, but understand our board rules and support them.
Walking peacefully as much as I am able and peace to each of you.
And, for that matter, other philosophies?Could you also address the following: how many agnostics are on the Camino? How many atheists are on the Camino?
Yes. I agree. Much better to keep religion out of Pilgrimage.
Some interesting comments!Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
Seems to me that in this modern day all pilgrimages should be viewed as being ecumenical. Are you asking the same questions as to how many atheists there are? - you can count me there. Do not think this detracts from me being a pilgrim.Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
Also A few Jews, unknowns and probably even some atheistsNot aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
Then please do let us count you 'in'......you are important to God and he does count you. love sandi
I am quite sure there are plenty of agnostics at the pilgrim mass at Santiago. There were plenty along the WayI am just surprised that anyone would need a separate pilgrim’s mass - protestants included.
Yes. I agree. Much better to keep religion out of Pilgrimage.
On the Camino I attend mass too - whenever possible. Outside of the Camino I am a conscientious objector to all religion and never go to church except to check out the architecture. Perhaps, as others have suggested, best to keep denominational stuff out of this forum.On camino I attend Mass as often as possible.
But, I am not RC; and as stated above I honor RC doctrine and do take communion.
Ergo, as an Episcopalian, USA branch of Anglican Communion, I was thrilled when an Anglican chaplaincy commenced in Santiago.
Next month, I hope there’s an Anglican service in Santiago.
I’d like to take communion there.
It would put a nice spiritual period to my journey.
What is the point of this post and doesn’t this go against the rules? I’m not sure how those numbers were gathered but believe they are way way off for sure and also in the world we are living in right now can we just stop all this division and labeling of human beings...what does it matter what religion you are as walking the Camino has nothing to do with being Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim etc as we are all Pilgrims, can we leave it at that!!!
The point simply is that the Camino de Santiago as such does not end in Santiago. It ends in the Cathedral there, more specifically even at the tomb of St James. To be pedantic and perhaps even a bit brutal, no-one has actually completed the Camino unless they've ended it in the Cathedral, irrespective of their creed, or lack thereof, or what is required to satisfy the conditions for a Compostela.?? Not understanding Michael ?
Exactly. Nor anything else.SYates' original points are to do with a statistical analysis of a certain group of pilgrims on the Camino de Santiago. They are not the starting point of a discussion about religion itself.
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who participates in forum threads to click on a link, read some text and open a pdf file.I humbly wish people would read the posts and links before replying.
Can you please read the forum rules? Thank you. There’s a difference between merely describing religion related aspects of Camino walking and trying to state religious beliefs as facts that apply to all.The LORD invites us to His Table
Peace be with you Fellow PilgrimCan you please read the forum rules? Thank you. There’s a difference between merely describing religion related aspects of Camino walking and trying to state religious beliefs as facts that apply to all.
I simply don't like it when threads are closed by the moderators because a few participants do not abide by the forum rules to which they agreed when they joined the forum.Peace be with you Fellow Pilgrim
Isn't that funny, that's exactly how I remember it. I myself didn't register this as something specifically addressed to the non-RC Christian church-goers in the congregation - I had innocently assumed that they would know in any case and would act according to whatever they usually do - but to all those who are not a member of any of the Christian Churches and who, without these clear words, would assume that it was a traditional / folkloristic / spiritual pilgrimage initiation exercise for all from which they were not excluded ...At the pilgrim mass in Roncesvalles, most of what was said was incomprehensible. The one part that came over in English loud and clear, was that only catholics could come forward to receive.
Quite right so do I - attend mass that is when one is available but when at home my atheist tendencies prevail. Think I have said enough now.On the Camino I attend mass too - whenever possible. Outside of the Camino I am a conscientious objector to all religion and never go to church except to check out the architecture. Perhaps, as others have suggested, best to keep denominational stuff out of this forum.
Not aiming to offend to the rule of not engaging in religious dispute, just some gentle number crushing a pilgrim friend and I have done. Conclusion for those that don't want to read the whole post:
"As a careful guesstimate, between 10% and 15% of all pilgrims that arrived 2018 in Santiago, and who went to the Pilgrim’s Office for their Compostelas, were Protestants. Which gives us the following numbers:
Full blog post and numbers here: http://egeria.house/how-many-protestants-are-on-the-camino-de-santiago/
- Pilgrims in total- 327,378
- Possibly Protestant Pilgrims: ~32,737 and ~49,105"
BC SY
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