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But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead?
Are you talking about the Camino Frances? That description just doesn't ring true to me - perhaps that is why it isn't talked about. Yes, there are major roads all over Spain, and on the Camino Frances you will often be within a few miles of major expressways, but there are not hotels located every 3 miles on the expressway!The part no one seems to talk about on this board is that there is a major expressway about 3 miles north of the walking path.
Exactly..............Over-planning can kill the necessary spontaneity ; and spontaneity isn't supplemental to a Camino plan, it's the beating heart of a Camino. Just plan one day at a time while you're there, make a plan in the evening, review it in the morning from how you feel, and all good. Keep it dynamic ..........
OK - I see this highway and others on the map. There is a very good transportation system and lots of towns with accommodation. But I was just trying to say that fortunately the highway will probably seem very removed from your experience on the Camino.I think @BookGirl305 might be referring to the Autovía del Camino de Santiago, which runs roughly parallel to the Camino Francés from Pamplona to Burgos and with associated routes extends the entire length of the way from Roncesvalles to Santiago:
Could someone please enlighten me ref : " lining up the ducks" ? I can remember many a chicken leg on the menu but nary a duck! the expression seems to have crept in recently. I have been a shooter in my time and can see a resemblance and a certain understanding but PLEASE what is it's relevance to us pilgies?1 time walker here as well
Started planning in 2018 for 2020....and then we all know what happened
so... God Willing should start come May 18th.
YEs I do have my spreadsheet with rough stages but with full understanding that it's not written in stone.
FOr all purposes I booked 1st three nights (SJPdP, Orrison and Roncesvalles) but after that it's come what may
Like many already said have fun planning and Buen Camino
BTW - 33 days is more than doable from SJPDP to Santiago. I did it in 33 days which included 2 rest days. I could have done it in less if I wanted to. And I might this time. And I wasn't fit when I started, and felt very fit by the time I finished. And yes, I do recommend booking SJPDP to Pamplona myself, not just because it is a bottleneck - but having that reassurance that you have a place to stay the first 4 nights helps you get through the physical adjustment. After that, booking the night before or the morning of is USUALLY good enough. But again - you can also walk until you feel like stopping and that is a great experience too.But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
You only have a first Camino once, so I say just let it unfold and enjoy the magic. ( For the first few days your feet might not think it is magic but you will eventually)Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
Yes, indeed, but how are you going to spend all that research time if you step away from that now?I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
Agree with Simon - common sense is always irreplaceable- list of local taxis was always a must for me,too.Hi @ils, I must say I recognised myself a little in what you say, so here's what I learnt on the subject of planning and over-planning at the time of my camino in October/November 2021.
There is quite a deal of romanticism attached to the idea of going without a plan and just taking things as they come. But as soon as you have a time limitation (which I had), this is not really possible, at least not fully. In addition, what is subjectively perceived as going freely without a plan is often, seen objectively, entirely in line with pre-defined patterns.
So here's what I did: I booked my trip to SJPP and a flight back from Santiago, based on the time I could take off from work. I deducted one 'reserve' day and got my number of walking days - 29 in my case. I then divided 784 by 29 and got my average stage length. There really is no way around this, if you intend to get to Santiago from SJPP and have X days, you will have to walk 784/X per day on average. No amount of self-imposed spontaneity can save you from this mathematical fact.
I made a spreadsheet roughly indicating the end of each stage, but I only booked my accommodation for the first three nights. Then I booked one or two nights ahead as I was moving. Occasionally I also walked without a reservation, but I generally felt this was risky out of season in late autumn. Anyway, my stages changed a lot, as expected - due to accommodation availability and due to what I learnt in the first days about my ability to walk. I was very happy to have this controlled flexibility, and it is actually a great feeling to sit at a table in the evening, looking at the map and guidebook and checking online what accommodation is open, trying to figure out the next few days.
In short, I would say that before walking, one needs to plan the things that need to be fixed (leave from work, flights, albergues for the first few nights), and then it is good to have a general idea to which changes are made as you go.
Also, I do not think you are too early to start preparing. Especially if you will be ordering equipment online, do that asap in case you have to return and exchange some items...
I wish you all the best for your camino!
That is a great way to describe my approach. This is the only way you are going to find out about that little Romanesque jewel sitting a few kms off route, or the fact that if you just leave the camino for a km or two, you can walk on a coastal path rather than along the highway. Or the fact that the bread store that ships bread to the king and queen is a stone’s throw from your albergue, etc. etc. But maybe that is more for those who come back to walk multiple caminos. I agree that your first camino is likely to be different — because as Anamiri so wisely put it, “You only have a first Camino once.”My kind of planning is more "research" and less actual planning.
I tend to plan in nauseating detail and then wander far from the plan. I drafted eight route plans during COVID but looking at them now, they will, at best, be for familiarity. If I had to stick to a plan, it would take much of the excitement and spirituality out of it for me.Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
I used the Brierly guide and looked initially at about a page a day but this quickly went by the board. I just walked following the guide and decided each morning where I would stay that night. I eventually went from SJPP to SDC in 28 days. I did not take a rest day so you will do it easily in 33 days.Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
The Autopista north of the Camino is not like an American expressway. Fast food joints and budget motels have not sprung up at every exit ramp. I have driven this route many times and it is convenient way to get across Spain but if you need to stop for gas or food you generally have to drive several kms off piste to a neaby town.I am a first time walker, starting in Pamplona end of May and walking for a week. I have to tell you, I am convinced this may be why I am being called to walk, and that is to learn to live in the moment and to trust in my abilities. I booked an albergue in Pamplona as I wanted to experience a positive albergue experience at least once. Like you, I know my physical limitations and I obsess over what hotels/private rooms are every 15-20km. I've worn that part of the app out! But, I'm not going to book farther. I have decided to stop each day when ready and live in the moment. The part no one seems to talk about on this board is that there is a major expressway about 3 miles north of the walking path. That expressway has hotels on it. There will always be a place to stay. Lodging is not limited to the places directly on the path. Also, I am open to having my host from tonight help me decide on a place for tomorrow night. They know everyone. How can I guess an ocean away what will be the experience I need once I get there?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
I’ve been walking caminos for twenty years now, and I am pretty sure I have never stuck to any of the many plans I have made. But they served their purpose well, because even though I didn’t stick to them, all the planning meant I knew what my alternatives were and I could adjust easily.
Love what Perigrina2000 says as I almost always do. She is all things camino!For some of us, planning is part of the fun. Without planning, I would have missed a lot of really great alternative routes and detours to special churches, monasteries, mountain trails or spectacular views. But that doesn’t mean we lock ourselves into the plan, because that is also a big part of the joy of the camino — freeing yourself from the sense of being tied to a schedule.
Hi, there are a number of very good apps you can download to your phone that have the route well laid out into stages, and suggestions for alberques, places to eat, and things to see along the way. Distances are shown, and you can use that info as an easy way to plan your schedule. If you have 33 days, that should be ample. Buen Camino!Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
I used to walk from early morning, stop at about 13:00, find a place to stay and then explore the areaBit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
Hello, I stayed a couple of days in Porto as a tourist. Then I set out towards Santiago. I walked until about 13:00, then found a place to stay. The afternoon was then free for me to explore the local area. I will adopt the same routine when I walk the Norte - Oviedo and onto Santiago.Can see no reason to change this routine!! Bom/Buen Camino.Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
I love planning and have already done meticulous and detailed itinerary for our next three caminos. Planning to me is a joy, and I learn so much. But I also learned from meticulous planning of our first camino and every one since that actually following a detailed itinerary will not happen unless you are a person who reserves accommodations and has baggage transfers the entire trip. My wife and I don't do this; we carry everything we need and end up wherever our legs, the weather, the terrain, the cultural sites decide. My itinerary for our first camino, the Frances, had us completing it 34 days. We were three days ahead of my itinerary by the time we reached Burgos! We enjoyed an extra night there, an extra night in Leon and still made it to Santiago ahead of schedule. Our actual walking days were 30, and some were very short since we arrived at places, like Astorga, that we simply had to spend lots of time in.Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
I only planned a few days myself for when I start on the 26th though I have help of the guide book I do know however some places has cut back on the number of places available due to covid ... I know I have to make reservations for Holy week and again most likely the last 100km from Sarria ..apart from that I know the Camino will throw up some surprises nothing is easy in life but just be thankful for what we do haveBit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
From what I have seen, Pilgrims follow tradition and never reserve a bed. And that is the crux of the debate and controversy. Personally, I welcome all. Hikers evolve into Pilgrims...eventually, especially if the return.
The Aragones in the winter would be very difficult if you were starting on the French side. Canfranc is a ski resort that time of year, it would not be very conducive to hiking unless you are wearing snowshoes. I also suspect you would have a problem finding places to stay overnight because some of the lodging going down hill to Jaca was developed to cater to skiers and then when you are hiking at the lower elevations along the river I suspect most places would be closed.Love what Perigrina2000 says as I almost always do. She is all things camino!
Right now I am in the planning stages for 3 different caminos. The Portugese for the second time, if I walk with friends. I saw a video of the Aragones and fell in love with it and if I don't walk in late October with my friends I may walk in December and January and do the Aragones/Frances as my wife wants to visit her family over the holidays. Since I am Jewish I could care less about Christmas except if I get presents. I am also thinking about Madrid/Frances and Portuguese coastal as even a third alternative!!! I love planning because it is fun. It also gives me familiarity for a route if I haven't done it. In this case it would be Madrid and Aragones.
Yes! Do check alternate routes. We took the ones Bert suggested above and found both unforgettable. There are also times when Brierly takes you into the fields rather than through some small villages. We enjoyed these villages. One of our fondest memories was lady leaning out over her flowerbox signalling for us to come. When we reached near the window, she asked for our passport, took it, looked it over, got to a free page and put her personal sello (stamp) in it. Of the many sellos we have received over the years, this is one we cherish. Whenever we look at it, we smile reflecting on how the camino not only makes you feel good, but also those who make you feel good. It's humanity blessed with our better angels.I searched this thread for "your camino" and I was surprised that nobody seems to have said, with emphasis, that it's your camino. You do it just the way you want to. Plan or don't plan, book ahead or don't, stay in albergues or hotels, carry your bag or send it ahead. But you don't need to worry about the route, as it's marked with yellow arrows or scallop shells. But since you are a planner, I would suggest that you read as much as you can and make notes of things you don't want to miss. If you like churches, you might want to make a note of the ones you must see -- Burgos, León and Astorga cathedrals. You like castles? Burgos, Ponferrada, Vega de Valcarce, Pambre. There are places where there are alternative routes -- check out the alternatives: the river route into Burgos; the Samos route between Triacastela and Sarria (take it!).
I have been checking it out and I was thinking of starting in Canfrac but as you say it may be very difficult. Would starting in Jaca make it more doable? I was looking at Gronze and other apps and it seems from Jaca there are albergues that are open all year. If I had a problem with an opening I have no issues with taking a taxi or trying to find a bed in a village. Is it completely unrealistic if I was there in the middle of November. Beginning say on November 15? Your knowledge would be greatly appreciated.The Aragones in the winter would be very difficult if you were starting on the French side. Canfranc is a ski resort that time of year, it would not be very conducive to hiking unless you are wearing snowshoes. I also suspect you would have a problem finding places to stay overnight because some of the lodging going down hill to Jaca was developed to cater to skiers and then when you are hiking at the lower elevations along the river I suspect most places would be closed.
Happy planning! We did the camino in '16 from St. Jean to Santiago in 33 days. Hiked 5:30 to noon, washed, napped, spent the rest of the day n evening with people. We planned the next day the night before. Most days it worked, but when it doesn't, just adjust and enjoy!Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
Good Morning from Kauai,Hi, ils,
Welcome to the forum! And buen camino from one fellow planner to another. Like you, I am used to doing a lot of research, getting the ducks lined up and knowing what’s out there. So I have lists, plans, and alternative plans. Based on those plans, I add a few days and book my flights. I typically reserve a place to stay for at least the first few days. I’ve been walking caminos for twenty years now, and I am pretty sure I have never stuck to any of the many plans I have made. But they served their purpose well, because even though I didn’t stick to them, all the planning meant I knew what my alternatives were and I could adjust easily.
For some of us, planning is part of the fun. Without planning, I would have missed a lot of really great alternative routes and detours to special churches, monasteries, mountain trails or spectacular views. But that doesn’t mean we lock ourselves into the plan, because that is also a big part of the joy of the camino — freeing yourself from the sense of being tied to a schedule.
Some people like walking without any ideas about what’s ahead or where they will stay. That’s just not me, but I certainly respect that. Some people like to book everything ahead of time and have the day to day ironed out. That’s not me either, but I respect that as well. You sound like you are in the middle, like me. I like to have the flexibility to be able to stop earlier or walk later than I had planned, but at the same time to have the knowledge I need to be able to adjust. If you find that the accommodations are tight once you start walking, you can start booking a day or so ahead. My advice would be not to book out too far in advance — I have met a lot of people over the years who regretted having everything planned out and their packs delivered to a destination without being able to change on the fly.
One thing is for sure, no matter how much you plan, the Camino will give you some big surprises! Buen camino, Laurie
Thank you, Bert. I was beginning to feel that I don't belong on this forum, as it seems that there is a sense that if you have plans before you go, you are doing it wrong. I started out wanting to do the Camino Frances the "right" way--carry only what fits in my backpack, stay in albergues, go without reservations. But I started this dream several years ago--my husband's cancer and subsequent death and then 2 years of Covid got in the way. Now I am 72 and will be walking alone most of the time, in a year that is lining up to be even more crowded than normal (2 years of pent-up Covid walkers plus a second Holy Year). So I sacrificed spontaneity for peace of mind. I'm taking my time, walking at what some would think is a snail's pace (only two days more than 25 km) with break days for cities I want to explore, staying in private rooms (safer with Covid, and the older you are the more important sleep becomes!) and having a bag transported. I understand that this camino won't be the one I long imagined, but it's one I feel I can accomplish and do so with less anxiety. And, if I do it well...then I'll come back next year with my backpack and a Brierley guideI searched this thread for "your camino" and I was surprised that nobody seems to have said, with emphasis, that it's your camino. You do it just the way you want to. Plan or don't plan, book ahead or don't, stay in albergues or hotels, carry your bag or send it ahead. But you don't need to worry about the route, as it's marked with yellow arrows or scallop shells. But since you are a planner, I would suggest that you read as much as you can and make notes of things you don't want to miss. If you like churches, you might want to make a note of the ones you must see -- Burgos, León and Astorga cathedrals. You like castles? Burgos, Ponferrada, Vega de Valcarce, Pambre. There are places where there are alternative routes -- check out the alternatives: the river route into Burgos; the Samos route between Triacastela and Sarria (take it!).
Hi,Would you mind sharing the "off the beaten track" places that you have found?
Yes, I'm sorry the CF. Thank youHi,
Are you talking about the Camino Francés?
For any camino, we have a tag that will gather many threads about detours and variants.
Look here.
Hi Marylou,Thank you, Bert. I was beginning to feel that I don't belong on this forum, as it seems that there is a sense that if you have plans before you go, you are doing it wrong. I started out wanting to do the Camino Frances the "right" way--carry only what fits in my backpack, stay in albergues, go without reservations. But I started this dream several years ago--my husband's cancer and subsequent death and then 2 years of Covid got in the way. Now I am 72 and will be walking alone most of the time, in a year that is lining up to be even more crowded than normal (2 years of pent-up Covid walkers plus a second Holy Year). So I sacrificed spontaneity for peace of mind. I'm taking my time, walking at what some would think is a snail's pace (only two days more than 25 km) with break days for cities I want to explore, staying in private rooms (safer with Covid, and the older you are the more important sleep becomes!) and having a bag transported. I understand that this camino won't be the one I long imagined, but it's one I feel I can accomplish and do so with less anxiety. And, if I do it well...then I'll come back next year with my backpack and a Brierley guide. No matter what, this will be my camino.
Hello malinger,Could someone please enlighten me ref : " lining up the ducks" ? I can remember many a chicken leg on the menu but nary a duck! the expression seems to have crept in recently. I have been a shooter in my time and can see a resemblance and a certain understanding but PLEASE what is it's relevance to us pilgies?
samarkand.
33 days is very doable. It would fit in very neatly with Breirly guide.Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
It's also true that veteran pilgrims love giving advice!Wow, I expected some responses but I did not expect that many. I guess it’s true that our Camino starts long before we start walking
It's hard to find a good outdoor store around here (it's hard to find any, actually). I have a list of a few recommended shoes that I've seen and I plan on buying one and going for my usual walks/runs around the neighborhood and beach. Once I get a feeling of whether it's comfortable or not, I'll go for some longer walks or buy a different one. I'm just afraid that I'll end up breaking it too much, so to speak.To change the subject slightly, you are probably aware, from reading this forum, of the many threads about gear. At your age, if you have good health, you should have plenty of time to walk the Frances, if you can walk. I would make only one mention of gear. You must get your footwear, whatever you choose, in advance. Get good advice on choice and fit from an outdoor store and try out whatever you buy on long walks. It must last the length of the Camino Frances, as the possibility of purchasing and breaking in new footwear partway is not, in my opinion, great. Anything else you can purchase or replace along the route, although a comfortable pack is desirable. Buen camino.
Footwear can certainly be a problem, if you have to buy it online. When I returned from my last camino I bought a new pair of EVA Birkenstock sandals, identical in size and model to those which I had just worn out, according to the online information. They turned out to be sized according to revised sizing, which is narrower. I kept them, because it would be expensive to return them, but I shall never buy footwear online again. Can you find a supplier which will permit easy returns, if they don't fit? You still have plenty of time to work on this before your camino. Personally, I wear boots, which tend to last longer, and I have access in my home city to replacements. I really shouldn't have mentioned this on your post about planning, but if there is one thing that is likely to ruin a camino, it is badly fitting footwear.It's hard to find a good outdoor store around here (it's hard to find any, actually). I have a list of a few recommended shoes that I've seen and I plan on buying one and going for my usual walks/runs around the neighborhood and beach. Once I get a feeling of whether it's comfortable or not, I'll go for some longer walks or buy a different one. I'm just afraid that I'll end up breaking it too much, so to speak.
Where is "here?"It's hard to find a good outdoor store around here (it's hard to find any, actually). I have a list of a few recommended shoes that I've seen and I plan on buying one and going for my usual walks/runs around the neighborhood and beach. Once I get a feeling of whether it's comfortable or not, I'll go for some longer walks or buy a different one. I'm just afraid that I'll end up breaking it too much, so to speak.
Just now realized I've never mentioned I'm from Brazil (Rio de Janeiro). The closest to an outdoor store I have nearby is Decathlon, but my local store is small. The few stores that existed in Rio closed down during the pandemic and are now online only. I could find good stores in São Paulo or other states, but I don't believe it's worth the cost of traveling there just for that. I'm focusing on saving money for the Camino right now, as the Real-Euro exchange rate is not at all favorable (for Brazilians) right now.Where is "here?"
REI can be very helpful if you are from the US. I would talk to them and discuss your foot size and any fitting issues you might have, send them an outilne of your foot and have them send you the boots or shoes which they recommend, try them out and there you go.
I think "winging it" becomes a problem if you walk with up to three additional family members as I have done before...just saying. Far easier with just yourself, or one additional person.I love to plan things in detail, but when it comes to Caminos the only things I plan is transport there and back and the first night's accommodation. I never plan the actual Camino. The way I look at it is that if you plan all of your accommodation and what you want to see on the way, then it stops being a Camino and becomes a tourist walk. For me, a Camino is heading out on the first morning and letting the Camino decide. I only ever stay in albergues and never book ahead. I have never missed out on somewhere to stay. The distance I walk every day depends on what I have done, who I have met and how much sightseeing I have done during that day. My days can vary from 20 to 35 kilometres per day depending on how I feel and where I am at the time.
Indeed. Cool down, pilgrims: This is working, But 35 kms/day is out of my comfort zone, being an old man now.I love to plan things in detail, but when it comes to Caminos the only things I plan is transport there and back and the first night's accommodation. I never plan the actual Camino. The way I look at it is that if you plan all of your accommodation and what you want to see on the way, then it stops being a Camino and becomes a tourist walk. For me, a Camino is heading out on the first morning and letting the Camino decide. I only ever stay in albergues and never book ahead. I have never missed out on somewhere to stay. The distance I walk every day depends on what I have done, who I have met and how much sightseeing I have done during that day. My days can vary from 20 to 35 kilometres per day depending on how I feel and where I am at the time.
When you get SJPdP there are few reliable outfitters, but the problem will be breaking in your boots and not coming up with blisters the first week.Just now realized I've never mentioned I'm from Brazil (Rio de Janeiro). The closest to an outdoor store I have nearby is Decathlon, but my local store is small. The few stores that existed in Rio closed down during the pandemic and are now online only. I could find good stores in São Paulo or other states, but I don't believe it's worth the cost of traveling there just for that. I'm focusing on saving money for the Camino right now, as the Real-Euro exchange rate is not at all favorable (for Brazilians) right now.
A similar tape also widely available in farmacias in Spain is Omnifix.Do you have or are you familiar with Hypafix? It comes in broad rolls of thin tape with plastic backing.
You can buy a number of similar "retention bandages" in Canada - Hypafix, Medfix, and Omnifix. I have found it on shelves in pharmacies here, but you might need to ask for it, because it isn't the most popular consumer product. (I think it is more likely to be used for nursing care, for example to hold IV needles/tubes in place.) But it is available.Do you have or are you familiar with Hypafix?... I cannot buy it in Canada,
Well, that's interesting. Thanks. When I asked for it in a pharmacy in Calgary, I was told that it is not available in Canada. Perhaps I used a Spanish name, rather than whatever it goes by in Canada. Hypafix and Omnifix are how I usually see it labelled in Spain. My current box says "Leukoplast" as a brand name, with "Hypafix" in small letters and something really tiny that looks like an R inside a circle; "Registered name?" I am pleased to be able to look for it locally.You can buy a number of similar "retention bandages" in Canada - Hypafix, Medfix, and Omnifix. I have found it on shelves in pharmacies here, but you might need to ask for it, because it isn't the most popular consumer product. (I think it is more likely to be used for nursing care, for example to hold IV needles/tubes in place.) But it is available.
Other brands are likely to be available. If you have a sample left from your last trip, show them in a pharmacy.When I asked for it in a pharmacy in Calgary, I was told that it is not available in Canada.
I buy both brands from Amazon in the US, and I see that they are both available on Amazon.caHypafix and Omnifix are how I usually see it labelled in Spain.
If ever one needed proof of the adage, "The Camino will provide," then the above quoted post is it.This is my experience:
In fall of 2019 I began planning a May/June 2020 Camino. Watched a ton of youtube, read a lot of guides, surfed the internet. I planned and planned and planned and even packed my bags. And then I had to cancel due to COVID.
In fall of 2020 I began to plan for a hopeful May/June 2021 Camino. I watched more youtube, read more guides, and surfed more internet. I planned and planned and planned and even packed my bags. And then I had to cancel, again, due to COVID, again.
Early 2021 I planned an alternate hike closer to home on the Pacific Crest Trail for that same time period. I watched youtube, read guides, and surfed the internet. I planned and planned and planned and even packed my bags and my resupply boxes. And I did go... with my kids... who hated it. They made me miserable to the point that after just a few days we headed home. And on the way home - Spain announced that the were indeed going to allow vaccinated tourists to come in just a couple days. I literally went home, upacked, did laundry, repacked, then headed (SOLO) to Spain. This time I packed last minute, and the only thing that was planned was my plane tickets. I didn't have my notes on where I wanted to stay or what I wanted to see. And funny thing is after a stressful year of COVID - I couldn't remember any of those carefully planned details. I arrived in Madrid and searched for the train station and headed to Pamplona. On the way to Pamplona I reserved a place for the night in Pamplona. Then I searched for the bus station and made my way to SJPDP. And on the way to SJPDP I reserved my first night in SJPDP. Then in the morning I started walking, I called Orisson and reserved a bed (but normally Orisson MUST be reserved in advance). And the rest of my Camino? I just winged it. Some days I reserved a bed for that night. Some days I walked until I found a place to stay. And I discovered that had it not been for COVID and so many albergues being closed - I loved the spontaneity and flexibility of not booking ahead even the same day or night before.
If you are doing the Frances or another highly traveled route - planning is NOT necessary. At least - not for the most part. I am going again this summer. This summer I am concerned that too many people who missed 2020 and 2021 Caminos will be on the Frances this summer. This does make me nervous. So... I did go ahead and reserve SJPDP, Orisson, Roncesvalles, Pamplona, Puenta la Reina, and Estrella. Really only the first 4 reservations should be needed, but I knew where I wanted to stop for those first 6 nights - so I went ahead and booked. After that? I plan to listen to the reports of those who hiked in the days ahead of me to see whether nightly reservations are needed or not. And I am guessing probably not. And if that is the case, I plan to stay as flexible as possible. The first week, you shouldn't push yourself to go beyond the normal "stages" to prevent injuries as you physically adapt to the Camino. But after that, I know from experience that some days you won't want to stop at the stages towns and will be more than capable of walking further distances. Or... perhaps you find a place that inspires you to stay for the night. Do it! Also - you will meet people along the way that you want to walk with, and planning ahead too much may prevent the flexibility to stay with those new friends.
Good luck and enjoy!
You will be planing but not from home months ahead. Everyday around 1 PM you will plan how far you want to go that day. How tired are you. Where do you want to stop. The next town or the town a little farther. After you arrive and sort things out, shower, laundry, firstaid, etc, you plan, hopefully with others, your next day plan. It will depend on how you feel, how steep or flat is it, do I need an ATM, or up scale lodging. It will depend if you want to walk with new found friends, catch up with others, or just be alone. Everything will also depend on you schedule. Are you running behind schedule or have time to kill. So yes you plan but not until you start.Bit of a background: Female, early 30's, and a planner. I usually enjoy the planning part of every trip, like where will I go or how to get there and what to see. I do leave room for some spontaneity (I won't plan everything down to the minute), but I always have a plan B and usually know things like ferry boat times or subway maps beforehand.
I'm walking from SJPP to Santiago in May 2023 (I know it's still far away, I did mention I'm a planner). And I've been reading the forum everyday, obsessing over equipment, and actually having a lot of fun. Recently I started planning my route, using Gronze and Godesalco.com and I realized I kind of don't want to? I think it will be good for me to just let go of the planning part and just walk.
But, I do have a timeline, since I will only have about 33 days, maybe 35. I'm hoping to get to Santiago in 33 days. From what I've read, I believe it's doable. I also know May is high season, so assuming I'll start my walk around April 29th (May 1st is a Tuesday, so I'll be starting on the last weekend of April), I believe I'll need to book those first few days in advance, at least until Pamplona, past the "bottleneck". But after that, do I need to plan it or book ahead? Should I book a few days in advance as I walk?
I'm sure there are people that just wake up everyday and walk until they feel like stopping, but I'm honestly just not used to it. I'm hoping reading people's opinion on it will give me some peace of mind.
It means getting everything organized, planned, predictable and ready to go.Could someone please enlighten me ref : " lining up the ducks" ? I can remember many a chicken leg on the menu but nary a duck! the expression seems to have crept in recently. I have been a shooter in my time and can see a resemblance and a certain understanding but PLEASE what is it's relevance to us pilgies?
samarkand.
Good for you! That's impressive.Hello Alexwalker. I don't know what you call and "Old man". I am 79 and did five days of 35k or so.
We're "planning" to walk from Porto next month. However, I haven't done much, if any planning, yet. Based on your experience, if I'm set for my Porto accommodations, can I just wing the rest of it?I celebrated my 59th birthday in Santiago after my first Camino. I walked from SJPdP to Finisterre in 35 days.
On that first Camino I didn't really plan. I just made sure that I had a few extra days built in. Now however, I do like to make spreadsheets of my proposed stages, then I like to see how close or far off I was when I finish.
I have two columns on the spreadsheet - Proposed stages, and Actual stages. I also make notes on where I stayed, how well (or not) I liked the albergue. If I splurged on a private room, what the stage was like, etc. I find myself referring back to these spreadsheets fairly often.
I booked two nights in Porto and enjoyed being a tourist in the city. I booked nothing else. After leaving the hotel I walked for a few hours stopped for breakfast and the walked until about 13:30. The I stopped, found somewhere to stay and then explored the area, had a meal and returned to the hotel/pension/ aubergue and planned for the next day. It worked well I'll do the same on my next Camino!! So, Noel & Anna wing it and have a wonderful Camino!We're "planning" to walk from Porto next month. However, I haven't done much, if any planning, yet. Based on your experience, if I'm set for my Porto accommodations, can I just wing the rest of it?
Interesting perspective. I also like to plan--information makes me feel comfortable--and from where I live it's a long plane ride. So I build in not only some planned rest days but also a few at the end in case of need. (Like coming down with a cold and needing to spend a day or so with mucho soup, resting, or maybe a muscle strain.) So far we have been able to use those "extra" days to explore Madrid a little. The research, and the spreadsheet, give me a framework. I don't call it cast in stone! My personal perspective is that much of the lesson of the Camino is trust. We call ahead a day or so if approaching a large city, especially Santiago, but mostly go with what comes. And sometimes the arrows all fly away (dunno how they did that! but we really needed that rest day.) and we give up and hop the train to the next place, calling that our rest day instead.First - its your Camino. Take a moment and ask yourself what would help you get the most out of it. If some or a lot of planning helps do it. If you want to wing it. Do that. The Francis is very forgiving so things will always work out.
That said I agree with another poster who mentioned that the just showing up and not planning anything does get over romanticized. I've done a number of Camino's and I can say that there were always places and days where there were tears and frustrations from people who walked a long day, on a schedule to get home but no plan and got to town after town with nothing to offer for a bed. No one likes to "talk" about that reality.
I am a planner. I like to know where I am heading each day and just focus on the walking not the whether I have a bed when I get there. Nothing you book on a booking site or from the proprietors is locked in so there is no down side to booking ahead and adjusting as time goes on.
I have always thought that the expression is not to do with real ducks, but the metal ducks used as targets in a fairground shooting gallery. Having googled, I've found that it seems that the jury is out.Hello malinger,
Ducks in a row or ducks in a line refers to a mother duck getting all her brood in a line to follow her.
In Camino life terms all I can discern they mean is to get your places, ideas and such ("ducks") organized so there are no little surprises!
But if you follow a mother duck you will see she is constantly having to repeat her instructions to her ducklings as they are always going off course.
Such is life on the Camino, right!
Myself, I am more like the Mallard.....just let the ducks go whatever direction they want to go!
Walk in Gascony. There will be ducks on the menus!Could someone please enlighten me ref : " lining up the ducks" ? I can remember many a chicken leg on the menu but nary a duck! the expression seems to have crept in recently. I have been a shooter in my time and can see a resemblance and a certain understanding but PLEASE what is it's relevance to us pilgies?
Absolutely.We're "planning" to walk from Porto next month. However, I haven't done much, if any planning, yet. Based on your experience, if I'm set for my Porto accommodations, can I just wing the rest of it?
Hi, Do you have a specific app (or two) you highly recommend? We'll probably start with the Portuguese Costal or the last part of the French. Thanks.Hi, there are a number of very good apps you can download to your phone that have the route well laid out into stages, and suggestions for alberques, places to eat, and things to see along the way. Distances are shown, and you can use that info as an easy way to plan your schedule. If you have 33 days, that should be ample. Buen Camino!
There are several good apps, many are free. My preferred app is the Buen Camino app.Hi, Do you have a specific app (or two) you highly recommend? We'll probably start with the Portuguese Costal or the last part of the French. Thanks.
Any tips?IN the last 100 km a bit of planning will help you avoid the huge crowds & walk a quieter camino.
More info here.Hi, Do you have a specific app (or two) you highly recommend?
I took the alternate route via Samos, which put me completely out of synch with everyone. There were nights where there were only six pilgrims in the entire town, and I met them all. I didn’t realize until the last day that there were many, many hundreds of pilgrims in each town on the traditional stages.Any tips?
If I take that route do I miss any interesting towns/landmarks? Or are the stops in the last 100km's just unremarkable stopping points?I took the alternate route via Samos
I wanted to show maryloufrommadison just how beautiful the monastery at Samos is, and, I thought later, the paintings on the albergue walls and ceiling. I found I was unable to attach photos to a conversation, so I'm just attaching a couple here. If anyone can tell me how I can easily attach photos to a conversation – non-techy – please do.Thank you, Bert. I was beginning to feel that I don't belong on this forum, as it seems that there is a sense that if you have plans before you go, you are doing it wrong. I started out wanting to do the Camino Frances the "right" way--carry only what fits in my backpack, stay in albergues, go without reservations. But I started this dream several years ago--my husband's cancer and subsequent death and then 2 years of Covid got in the way. Now I am 72 and will be walking alone most of the time, in a year that is lining up to be even more crowded than normal (2 years of pent-up Covid walkers plus a second Holy Year). So I sacrificed spontaneity for peace of mind. I'm taking my time, walking at what some would think is a snail's pace (only two days more than 25 km) with break days for cities I want to explore, staying in private rooms (safer with Covid, and the older you are the more important sleep becomes!) and having a bag transported. I understand that this camino won't be the one I long imagined, but it's one I feel I can accomplish and do so with less anxiety. And, if I do it well...then I'll come back next year with my backpack and a Brierley guide. No matter what, this will be my camino.
Thanks, Bert. Very tempting! It looks beautiful.I wanted to show maryloufrommadison just how beautiful the monastery at Samos is, and, I thought later, the paintings on the albergue walls and ceiling. I found I was unable to attach photos to a conversation, so I'm just attaching a couple here. If anyone can tell me how I can easily attach photos to a conversation – non-techy – please do.View attachment 120709View attachment 120710View attachment 120711View attachment 120712View attachment 120713View attachment 120714View attachment 120715
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