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Are you drinking the milk IN the supermercado??I like to pop into a Supermercado and guzzle a cold litre of milk while on Camino but I notice that many people think this is bizarre
I’ve noticed that in long distance events one of the things organizers like to provide is milk. I like to pop into a Supermercado and guzzle a cold litre of milk while on Camino but I notice that many people think this is bizarre.
not much point! You drink the vino to GET revived!Here’s an interesting YouTube site on nutrition for long distance hikers. I sometimes come into the Albergue at 3pm exhausted and demoralized. One of the YouTube key points is that you should immediately eat some protein within 30 minutes to prevent further trouble that may last for days. I’ve noticed that in long distance events one of the things organizers like to provide is milk. I like to pop into a Supermercado and guzzle a cold litre of milk while on Camino but I notice that many people think this is bizarre. Anyways here’s the link.
PS yes I like a vino but only once I’m revived.
Often event organizers provide chocolate milk, it’s true. I omitted that fact to avoid being thought even more bizarre. On the CF last year I did guzzle several excellent Spanish concoctions. I do my guzzling as soon as I leave the supermercado. Below is a sample of what I just guzzled. Full fat 3.25%.Is chocolate milk is better?
"After a tough workout, chocolate milk helps muscles recover quickly to their peak potential and helps replenish fluids and critical nutrients lost in sweat. Chocolate milk as part of proper post-workout nutrition can help to repair and rebuild damaged."
Agreed, it would be nice to have a “real” food list.Excellent video @BombayBill . Thanks for sharing.
The key takeout for me being, we need to eat 2/3 fats.......
Just a pity all his food examples were processed foods, but of course the video is aimed at through hikers.
I'll certainly watch Part 2 and check out his food list.
Hopefully it will all make sense so I can decide on bacon and eggs v tortilla or something else for breakfast
Interesting stats on the sugars impact too!
I love the relay race analogy.
Sugars get you started
Carbs then take over,
and fats kick in later.........
Though having watched the Part 2 video now............
I get the theory........but all the food examples are trail bars, goop packets and other highly processed packets of stuff.
It will be a challenge to translate all of that into 'regular' food choices......
My daughter played college hockey and they always drank chocolate milk after practice, so I guess there's something to thisOften event organizers provide chocolate milk, it’s true. I omitted that fact to avoid being thought even more bizarre. On the CF last year I did guzzle several excellent Spanish concoctions. I do my guzzling as soon as I leave the supermercado. Below is a sample of what I just guzzled. Full fat 3.25%.
Maybe in large supermarkets in bigger cities. I definitely wouldn't count on it!Can *single dose* protein powder packets be found along the CF? what about collagen packets?
What is wrong with a media ration of Jamon and maybe some pan to dunk in your drink. We've survived, more or less, on food for well over a million years now. The packet is a rather recent and unproven innovation. Just sayCan *single dose* protein powder packets be found along the CF? what about collagen packets?
Whatever gets food into you. I make it to a restaurant before 3:00-3:30 (often the kitchen closing time) to eat my big meal of the day. I go to bed early and get up early.Here’s an interesting YouTube site on nutrition for long distance hikers. I sometimes come into the Albergue at 3pm exhausted and demoralized. One of the YouTube key points is that you should immediately eat some protein within 30 minutes to prevent further trouble that may last for days. I’ve noticed that in long distance events one of the things organizers like to provide is milk. I like to pop into a Supermercado and guzzle a cold litre of milk while on Camino but I notice that many people think this is bizarre. Anyways here’s the link.
PS yes I like a vino but only once I’m revived.
I agree! Good info in the video, and yet I want to avoid packaging. My go-to is a bag of peanuts/almonds and/or hard-boiled eggs; a chunk of bread, fresh fruit; and raw veggies. That combo works for my metabolism. Not sure how I will manage that during the Camino, but you'll recognize me when I'm walking along eating a head of lettuce with a bottle of EVOO as a "chaser."Agreed, it would be nice to have a “real” food list.
It isn't hard to supply yourself with those. I'd skip the head of lettuce and eat carrots, red/green peppers, or cucumber.My go-to is a bag of peanuts/almonds and/or hard-boiled eggs; a chunk of bread, fresh fruit; and raw veggies.
I agree! Good info in the video, and yet I want to avoid packaging. My go-to is a bag of peanuts/almonds and/or hard-boiled eggs; a chunk of bread, fresh fruit; and raw veggies. That combo works for my metabolism. Not sure how I will manage that during the Camino, but you'll recognize me when I'm walking along eating a head of lettuce with a bottle of EVOO as a "chaser."
It raises some interesting thoughts about Camino walking 'fuel'.
The combination of carbs, proteins and fats made a lot of sense.
Just trying to think of a good source of fats.
Some bread with a good swig of olive oil might be a good combination!
Never tried drinking olive oil (EVOO) neat though.........
Throw in a boiled egg and it sounds like a perfect mobile lunch.......
I do like to nibble on a bag of homemade GORP as I walk.
Which I think stands for Good Old Raisins and Peanuts.....
Sounds like it's used by many for good reason.
I‘ve been eating avocados, whilst walking, for decades … they are, of course, a great source of fat
Just don’t choke on the stone!
My regular Camino lunch has been - small can of tuna in oil, some bread and an apple. Always felt better afterwards and continued with a renewal of energy. May not have the exact proportions but has all the elements, particularly the fat and protein.Excellent video @BombayBill . Thanks for sharing.
The key takeout for me being, we need to eat 2/3 fats.......
Just a pity all his food examples were processed foods, but of course the video is aimed at through hikers.
I'll certainly watch Part 2 and check out his food list.
Hopefully it will all make sense so I can decide on bacon and eggs v tortilla or something else for breakfast
Interesting stats on the sugars impact too!
I love the relay race analogy.
Sugars get you started
Carbs then take over,
and fats kick in later.........
Though having watched the Part 2 video now............
I get the theory........but all the food examples are trail bars, goop packets and other highly processed packets of stuff.
It will be a challenge to translate all of that into 'regular' food choices......
My regular Camino lunch has been - small can of tuna in oil, some bread and an apple. Always felt better afterwards and continued with a renewal of energy. May not have the exact proportions but has all the elements, particularly the fat and protein.
I think trial mix or equivalent - with dark chocolate, might be a good snack according to the video.
Breakfast - I rarely had an Albergue breakfast as I am a natural early bird. I used to have bread and cheese and maybe a piece of fruit about half an hour after I began my day where I could sit in the countryside. Still fits the suggested profile. And then hang out till I hit the first cafe/bar for out for my one coffee of the day.
I still need to listen to part 2 to find out more about the end of the day but it sounds like a chocolate milk might be the way to go.
I love to take fresh vegies (carrots keep well) along with hommous for protein. Agree with all the suggestions for avos, eggs, cheese. My trail mix (nuts, dried fruit) always includes some dark chocolate.It isn't hard to supply yourself with those. I'd skip the head of lettuce and eat carrots, red/green peppers, or cucumber.
Made me chuckle - I think 'bonking' has a different meaning in some countriesWhen reading those nutrition labels, it pays to heed the serving size. In this case, the serving size is one cup (240 ml), but OP is drinking 1 liter of milk, so multiply by 4. That means ingesting 112g of carbs, as well as 1000 mg sodium and 1200 mg potassium. The sodium and potassium would be important to recovery too. Chocolate milk would have even higher sugar content.
I've been on a keto diet for years now -- yes, even before Covid and even while walking the Geneva route (giving up croissants was tough) -- and I've found it really works to prevent those low-blood-sugar-in-the-afternoon bonking episodes.
After three caminos, I have worked out what works for me...When reading those nutrition labels, it pays to heed the serving size. In this case, the serving size is one cup (240 ml), but OP is drinking 1 liter of milk, so multiply by 4. That means ingesting 112g of carbs, as well as 1000 mg sodium and 1200 mg potassium. The sodium and potassium would be important to recovery too. Chocolate milk would have even higher sugar content.
I've been on a keto diet for years now -- yes, even before Covid and even while walking the Geneva route (giving up croissants was tough) -- and I've found it really works to prevent those low-blood-sugar-in-the-afternoon bonking episodes.
Can *single dose* protein powder packets be found along the CF? what about collagen packets?
Nuts and cheese for fats! I picked up a packet of Laughing Cow cheese which is one of my least favourite cheeses, but it came in individually wrapped servings and was easily transported. A small roll and spreadable cheese is a great midday snack (or evening snack).It raises some interesting thoughts about Camino walking 'fuel'.
The combination of carbs, proteins and fats made a lot of sense.
Just trying to think of a good source of fats.
I don’t want to be Chicken Little here, but I think some caution about a can of tuna a day might be in order, particularly if it is albacore. The mercury content in tuna is very high. I believe there are wildly divergent medical views on a safe level of tuna, but here is an old article from the Washington Post- It is actually the very article that alerted a friend of mine to the fact that her symptoms could possibly be coming from her daily tuna fish salad sandwich. That’s what it was. I think I remember that the treatment consisted of nothing more than immediate cessation of tuna intake, and she did fully recover.My regular Camino lunch has been - small can of tuna in oil, some bread and an apple.
Yes - Through hiker diets are not necessary for the Camino. There are some similarities - but there is no need to eat all of the processed foods that fuel a through hiker. The Camino is not a wilderness hike. You can stop at bars and restaurants at least daily if not all throughout the day. You can stop in grocery stores in each town you pass through - and most days you will pass through several towns.Excellent video @BombayBill . Thanks for sharing.
The key takeout for me being, we need to eat 2/3 fats.......
Just a pity all his food examples were processed foods, but of course the video is aimed at through hikers.
I'll certainly watch Part 2 and check out his food list.
Hopefully it will all make sense so I can decide on bacon and eggs v tortilla or something else for breakfast
Interesting stats on the sugars impact too!
I love the relay race analogy.
Sugars get you started
Carbs then take over,
and fats kick in later.........
Though having watched the Part 2 video now............
I get the theory........but all the food examples are trail bars, goop packets and other highly processed packets of stuff.
It will be a challenge to translate all of that into 'regular' food choices......
I think this is a very important distinction. I have never had the slightest problem finding carbs, proteins and fats along the Camino. However, I always keep an emergency supply of nuts and a bottle of Kas or Aquaius in my back pack.there is no need to eat all of the processed foods that fuel a through hiker. The Camino is not a wilderness hike. You can stop at bars and restaurants at least daily if not all throughout the day. You can stop in grocery stores in each town you pass through - and most days you will pass through several towns.
Not to mention what that does to Tuna populations. And porpoises who get caught accidentally, or Burmese refugees basically enslaved on Thai Tuna boats., or, or, or. . .I don’t want to be Chicken Little here, but I think some caution about a can of tuna a day might be in order, particularly if it is albacore. The mercury content in tuna is very high.
For a quick pick-me-up along the way I love nuts especially when they come with salt.Agreed, it would be nice to have a “real” food list.
I believe the demoralized bit comes from the science of “bonking”. When your energy stores run low not only your muscles suffer but your ability to reason does as well. Thus you may be surrounded by all these wonderful things you describe but your brain, suffering from lack of fuel, is unable to reason clearly.I don't think this is off topic, but . . .
What caught my attention was not the "exhausted" in your opening statement, but the "demoralized." This has me more concerned than the exhausted part.
After a good number of kilometers on the Camino, you are bound to be exhausted. And, since you are an adult, you probably have a good handle on what makes you feel better, nutrition-wise, so take and ignore whatever advice has been offered here already. I believe your food intake will adjust on its own to the right time, amount, and items (from what is available).
Why are you demoralized? A decent place to lay your sleeping bag, a shower, a basin to wash your clothes in, a short nap, some new companions who are going through the same struggles as you, if not more, a good dinner, some vino, a slow stroll around the village, an early bedtime - all these should put you in a good frame of mind by the next day.
So, again, why demoralized? I'm concerned.
I think I understand the condition you are talking about, Bombay Bill, and, you are right, it is not a pleasant one.I believe the demoralized bit comes from the science of “bonking”. When your energy stores run low not only your muscles suffer but your ability to reason does as well. Thus you may be surrounded by all these wonderful things you describe but your brain, suffering from lack of fuel, is unable to reason clearly.
You may as well ask why can’t someone suffering a diabetic attack just buck up.
The goal of my original post was to share some of the new thinking in nutrition.
See below for some of the cognitive issues. https://www.trainerroad.com/blog/what-is-bonking-causes-dangers-and-prevention/
The compression leg sleeves are interesting. I have occasionally been walking in knee high compression socks at home and brought a pair with me. Sounds like they will be good for leg recovery even if I don’t wear them that day. Thank you.Haven't done the Camino but I have done some endurance events including multi-day ones. You can see me drinking low-fat chocolate milk along with wearing compression leg sleeves for recovery or putting up my legs. This is to lessen lactic acid buildup in my legs. I also stretch after my event.
Does unsweetened chocolate milk count?Often event organizers provide chocolate milk, it’s true. I omitted that fact to avoid being thought even more bizarre. On the CF last year I did guzzle several excellent Spanish concoctions. I do my guzzling as soon as I leave the supermercado. Below is a sample of what I just guzzled. Full fat 3.25%.
Milk has about 50 calories per cup (240 ml) from the lactose, a sugar, in it. That's about a third of the total calories if it is whole milk.Does unsweetened chocolate milk count?
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