Abigail Kelly
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Portuguese Coastal/Variante Espiritual 2019
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Yes confession lol... I did try the re arranging thing in the bathroom but it didn't work..Still paranoid next morning in case I left anything behind. Then I realized I haven't done this in years and age is against me lol Regarding the plastic bag issue I would be the same as you. I am still surprised with Spain and the freedom of plastic bags in the marketAll of us sometimes contribute, of course - for example, you need another layer or a tissue at night and didn't have it in your sleeping bag. And it takes each person some time to learn the routine that will usually work.
Why don't you carry your backpack into the bathroom or common area to do the re-arranging? At night put everything including backpack in a large dry bag that can be lifted and carried out of the sleeping room. Then your sleeping bag (and anything stored within) can easily be picked up and moved.
This is all academic anyway, since I don't leave in the wee hours.
If we are doing confessions, though, I once lost a large plastic bag during the day of walking. It might still be blowing about littering the landscape. That day I made a point of picking up some extra litter to compensate!
No. They all were caught and drawn and quartered on the spot...anybody else ??
You think Falcon!No. They all were caught and drawn and quartered on the spot...
Yes confession lol... I did try the re arranging thing in the bathroom but it didn't work..Still paranoid next morning in case I left anything behind. Then I realized I haven't done this in years and age is against me lol Regarding the plastic bag issue I would be the same as you. I am still surprised with Spain and the freedom of plastic bags in the market
I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues
Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind. Sorrrryyyy any body else ??
Confession is good for the soul.I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues
Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind. Sorrrryyyy any body else ??
I will try John lol ,,, it has been 15 years since I travelled solo so don't judge me yet ..watch this sapce
Well...I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind.
Nope.I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues
Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind. Sorrrryyyy any body else ??
Not entirely sure that was a confession. Not a remorseful one, anyway.Confession is good for the soul.
Well...
There's an adage, 'Don't pack your fears,' and there should be a Camino addendum to that - 'Don't re-pack your fears!'
Pack carefully and mindfully the night before, then trust yourself, Abigail.
(And...as someone said above...use something other than plastic bags to organize yourself. Then you won't rustle even if you can't resist going through your stuff that one more time.)
Thank you! Yes, no place on the Camino...or the planet for disposable plastics. It's tough. Wish my country would ban their use.Another good reason to avoid plastic bags, though I admit it's hard to give them up:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=627332680809753
But I will be harsh, CD. That comment almost deserves a smack!...
Another pilgrim looked at me over morning coffee (some time later), and said quietly, "it is NOT your responsibility to treat other people's health issues or share your stuff!"....
No. They all were caught and drawn and quartered on the spot...
How not? Usually there is another common area as well, anyway.I did try the re arranging thing in the bathroom but it didn't work.
Okay. I can not judge you too harshly, as we all have offended someone.
In fact, one time I was helping a young pilgrim with her blisters, using my moleskin and some antiseptic to treat and then pad the area around the blister, so her heel wouldn't continue getting rubbed raw.
Another pilgrim looked at me over morning coffee (some time later), and said quietly, "it is NOT your responsibility to treat other people's health issues or share your stuff!".
Not kidding....
Can't understand that at all. And it was on Frances which is really a highway of pilgrims and with bars or fuentes around every second corner. What would this person do on Southern Caminos in the summer? Or even if his country would be attacked and in war???Had a similar experience. One very hot afternoon past Astorga, I was walking with someone I had met at coffee in the morning. We came up behind a young woman, who, as we passed, stumbled and sat on the ground. We stopped and she said she was feeling dizzy. She hadn't planned well enough for water and didn't have any left. I pulled out my water bottle to give her some and the person I was walking with kept walking ahead. Later, I saw him at the albergue in Rabanal and he proceeded to give me a lecture about how I should never share my water with anyone and it wasn't my responsibility to compensate for another's lack of planning. I couldn't speak I was so astonished.
Had a similar experience. One very hot afternoon past Astorga, I was walking with someone I had met at coffee in the morning. We came up behind a young woman, who, as we passed, stumbled and sat on the ground. We stopped and she said she was feeling dizzy. She hadn't planned well enough for water and didn't have any left. I pulled out my water bottle to give her some and the person I was walking with kept walking ahead. Later, I saw him at the albergue in Rabanal and he proceeded to give me a lecture about how I should never share my water with anyone and it wasn't my responsibility to compensate for another's lack of planning. I couldn't speak I was so astonished.
So glad that you are a leader, and not a follower. I would stop for anyone. It's the right thing to do, and I was once overwhelmed with someone's kindness in sharing water with me---on that part of the Camino Frances with the wide, red soil? Help?
Thank you! Yes, no place on the Camino...or the planet for disposable plastics. It's tough. Wish my country would ban their use.
Okay. I can not judge you too harshly, as we all have offended someone.
In fact, one time I was helping a young pilgrim with her blisters, using my moleskin and some antiseptic to treat and then pad the area around the blister, so her heel wouldn't continue getting rubbed raw.
Another pilgrim looked at me over morning coffee (some time later), and said quietly, "it is NOT your responsibility to treat other people's health issues or share your stuff!".
Not kidding....
Not a very generous sentiment. We all need a helping hand at times....Okay. I can not judge you too harshly, as we all have offended someone.
In fact, one time I was helping a young pilgrim with her blisters, using my moleskin and some antiseptic to treat and then pad the area around the blister, so her heel wouldn't continue getting rubbed raw.
Another pilgrim looked at me over morning coffee (some time later), and said quietly, "it is NOT your responsibility to treat other people's health issues or share your stuff!".
Not kidding....
it's all about organisation.10-6 is quiet time so after that fair enough
In Burgos, one might ask "when the lights went off." Dozens of pilgrims hustling to get out by the posted deadline of eight A.M. At 07:55. the hospitalero turned off the lights! I think I said out loud, "Do you think we'll find our shoes faster in the dark?"I am very glad I walked in the early Spring where people pretty much left at the same time after the lights went on, or the sun rose.
Absolutely right! Use cloth bags, ditty bags and ziplock bags and leave those nasty, rustly plastic disposables out of the equation.
Okay. I can not judge you too harshly, as we all have offended someone.
In fact, one time I was helping a young pilgrim with her blisters, using my moleskin and some antiseptic to treat and then pad the area around the blister, so her heel wouldn't continue getting rubbed raw.
Another pilgrim looked at me over morning coffee (some time later), and said quietly, "it is NOT your responsibility to treat other people's health issues or share your stuff!".
Not kidding....
This is about my fourth draft to this thread. My tongue is bleeding because I am biting it. I will try to say this as gently as I can.
There is literally no excuse for making selfish noises when others are trying to sleep. I sleep exclusively in private rooms along the Camino because I do not want to expose others to my snoring. I would absolutely die if I kept someone from a restful sleep.
I can't help but think that somehow, somewhere, there is going to be a "life lesson" here.Had a similar experience. One very hot afternoon past Astorga, I was walking with someone I had met at coffee in the morning. We came up behind a young woman, who, as we passed, stumbled and sat on the ground. We stopped and she said she was feeling dizzy. She hadn't planned well enough for water and didn't have any left. I pulled out my water bottle to give her some and the person I was walking with kept walking ahead. Later, I saw him at the albergue in Rabanal and he proceeded to give me a lecture about how I should never share my water with anyone and it wasn't my responsibility to compensate for another's lack of planning. I couldn't speak I was so astonished.
As often as I have guessed wrong at an intersection with no yellow arrow, I cannot imagine leaving before sunrise!One small question - WHY do you leave so early?? OK I have not walked the Camino in July , but have never found it necessary to leave before 6.00 am!!
I too was once "bailed out" by a fellow pilgrim when I ran out of water on St. Olav's Way. Since that experience I've always carried an unopened bottle in my pack. It is for emergencies: mine or someone else's. I even carry an extra bottle when hiking local trails now.
And I will reply as gently as I can. How can you be certain that you have not inadvertently kept someone awake? It's very rare that a pilgrim intentionally disturbs others, but it's quite common that s/he is unaware of the heaviness of their footfalls. I appreciate the OP's apology: He that is without [dormitory] sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
She did not say she repeated it. She said she was nervous that she might have left something. Before I congratulate the unselfish acts you've told us about, let me ask: If you thought you had forgotten something, and didn't know how to check quietly would you hit the road and try to forget about it?First, the original poster admitted that she knew that her early morning bag rustling was disturbing to others. Yet, she repeated the act. This is the quintessential definition of making selfish noise as I discussed. Its not accidental or inadvertent noise as you discussed. Big, big difference.
She did not say she repeated it.
Okay. I can not judge you too harshly, as we all have offended someone.
In fact, one time I was helping a young pilgrim with her blisters, using my moleskin and some antiseptic to treat and then pad the area around the blister, so her heel wouldn't continue getting rubbed raw.
Another pilgrim looked at me over morning coffee (some time later), and said quietly, "it is NOT your responsibility to treat other people's health issues or share your stuff!".
Not kidding....
As planned I was up at 4.
I agree.I would stop for anyone. It's the right thing to do
I would have had - and I did once - have a likewise reaction.I agree.
I think sometimes people get confused with the opposing discussion about how everyone should be responsible for preparing and equipping themselves as best they can, and not assume "someone else will take care of me so I don't need to carry my share."
All of us occasionally make miscalculations, so we should help each other as much as we reasonably can. However we can't forget to look after ourselves. The two principles are both valid and appear to be in conflict, but that is often the way with principles.
Slightly related to these discussions, once I was walking beside my companion and she fell flat for no apparent reason. Several passers-by rushed to assist, and were immediately reaching to pull her to her feet. Meanwhile I standing right beside her, leaning in to assess the situation. I insisted to the people grabbing her by the arms to "Stop. Wait, give her a moment." I wanted to give her the time to assess her own situation and get up when she was ready, salvaging whatever dignity she could. If she was injured or dizzy, dragging her to a standing position was the last thing she needed or wanted! The other people may have thought I was just not very sympathetic.
Go for it!Also, I think we need a thread about "Your worst Camino sins". A funny one. Or does that already exist? I have some confessions to make!
Maybe they have (by mistake, of course) some owl's genes mixed with human'sOOOohhhhhhh! So it was YOUUUUUU then!!
Sorry. French attempt at humour
I walked through a heat wave this Summer and even then I could not start at 4 am! My body said No!, even my head said Nah!
The earliest we managed was 5.30 I think, reluctantly and only because we had been woken up at an ungodly hour!
How do you do it?
It's DARK out there!
And that was actually very smart reaction. Not only for the reason you are mentioning but first you have to ask the person that fell about the feelings, pain, where the pain is etc., not to cause potential further damage. And only then you assist! Doing what you think is the best in that moment could result in permanent paralysis if spine is affected!!!...
Slightly related to these discussions, once I was walking beside my companion and she fell flat for no apparent reason. Several passers-by rushed to assist, and were immediately reaching to pull her to her feet. Meanwhile I was standing right beside her, leaning in to assess the situation. I insisted to the people grabbing her by the arms to "Stop. Wait, give her a moment." I wanted to give her the time to assess her own situation and get up when she was ready, salvaging whatever dignity she could. If she was injured or dizzy, dragging her to a standing position was the last thing she needed or wanted! The other people may have thought I was just not very sympathetic.
Forgiven!I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues
Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind. Sorrrryyyy any body else ??
Ziplock bags, although they don't rustle, are also "nasty ... plastic disposables", and the dry bags favoured by pilgrims are normally made of nonbiodegradable polyester. Cloth bags, unfortunately, tend not to be waterproof. Treading lightly before dawn so as not to annoy fellow travellers, however laudable, is not necessarily treading lightly on the earth. We are all offenders.
And I will reply as gently as I can. How can you be certain that you have not inadvertently kept someone awake? It's very rare that a pilgrim intentionally disturbs others, but it's quite common that s/he is unaware of the heaviness of their footfalls. I appreciate the OP's apology: He that is without [dormitory] sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
With all due respect, I think this is maybe a tad naive, Paladina. Some people, I dare say some cultures, are totally unconscious of the very idea of noise, they just get on with living as boldly as possible. If they feel like talking, they talk, the same with laughing, rustling, cursing, clonking, bumping, whistling. Not only do they not dream of the idea that they're disturbing others, they wouldn't care a jot anyway.
One or two remedies aside, snorers snore in the dorms and they can't help it: they're unconscious. Bag-rustlers and scrunchers, people who go bump after hours, they can, out of courtesy, make a real effort to minimize their noise. It's just that many don't even try.
One last thing, I'm not convinced the OP feels remorse, it's more a case of post-camino gloating, a sort of Russell Brand-style confession. I did this 'orrible thing and it's important to me that you all know.
Better next time.
Guilty of accidentally letting the bathroom door slam. . . sorry.
it was nearly a full moon. perfect for night walking...OOOohhhhhhh! So it was YOUUUUUU then!!
Sorry. French attempt at humour
I walked through a heat wave this Summer and even then I could not start at 4 am! My body said No!, even my head said Nah!
The earliest we managed was 5.30 I think, reluctantly and only because we had been woken up at an ungodly hour!
How do you do it?
It's DARK out there!
A man after my own heart!it was nearly a full moon. perfect for night walking...
Well, obviously neither of us knows whether or not there's remorse. But I think it highly unlikely that OP was bragging.One last thing, I'm not convinced the OP feels remorse, it's more a case of post-camino gloating, a sort of Russell Brand-style confession. I did this 'orrible thing and it's important to me that you all know.
True, we can't know. By the way, I said 'gloating', indicating 'malicious satisfaction' - let's say 'mischievous',Well, obviously neither of us knows whether or not there's remorse. But I think it highly unlikely that OP was bragging.
I too was once "bailed out" by a fellow pilgrim when I ran out of water on St. Olav's Way. Since that experience I've always carried an unopened bottle in my pack. It is for emergencies: mine or someone else's. I even carry an extra bottle when hiking local trails now.
Robert it happened twice. LikeActually, her words were, "I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues." Maybe it's a grammatical error, but nothing in this sentence indicates it was a one time incident. In fact, the use of plurals indicates otherwise. But if I am wrong, I apologize for thinking she did it more than once.
BTW, I would have sent you a private message regarding this issue, but you don't allow private messages, so I had to post here.
Robert, it happened twice... and I said sorry. God forbid if I committed a wicked crime the way I have been judged by you. Sorry but I think you are a bit out of order on your comments. End of!Actually, her words were, "I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues." Maybe it's a grammatical error, but nothing in this sentence indicates it was a one time incident. In fact, the use of plurals indicates otherwise. But if I am wrong, I apologize for thinking she did it more than once.
BTW, I would have sent you a private message regarding this issue, but you don't allow private messages, so I had to post here.
I actually did feel remorse that is why I posted. I don't do gloating never had and never willWith all due respect, I think this is maybe a tad naive, Paladina. Some people, I dare say some cultures, are totally unconscious of the very idea of noise, they just get on with living as boldly as possible. If they feel like talking, they talk, the same with laughing, rustling, cursing, clonking, bumping, whistling. Not only do they not dream of the idea that they're disturbing others, they wouldn't care a jot anyway.
One or two remedies aside, snorers snore in the dorms and they can't help it: they're unconscious. Bag-rustlers and scrunchers, people who go bump after hours, they can, out of courtesy, make a real effort to minimize their noise. It's just that many don't even try.
One last thing, I'm not convinced the OP feels remorse, it's more a case of post-camino gloating, a sort of Russell Brand-style confession. I did this 'orrible thing and it's important to me that you all know.
Better next time.
I actually did feel remorse that is why I posted. I don't do gloating never had and never will
Pretty rude not to give a fellow forum member the benefit of the doubt.Yes, but in the aftermath of, "Sorrrryyyy any body else ??", I can't say I'm convinced. I think you wanted reassurance from the sunshine-and-lollipops branch of the forum.
But now's the time to let it settle. If that was your first camino a second one will be still more rewarding. Take care on the road. Buen camino, Abigail.
Satírico
I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues
Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind. Sorrrryyyy any body else ??
I understand. My mother used to say, "Good thing your head is bolted on or you'd lose that!" I have to go back to check several times out of fear of losing something, and no matter how quiet one tries to be, "it's always something." Someone moves a chair into the pathway and piles noisy things on it for me to knock over in the dark. Or my fingers somehow fail to hold on to something. And all the checking sometimes fails. I know I left my battery charger plugged in next to the soda machine, and I know my little bag of toiletries and medicines was next to my pack when I was getting ready to leave. But neither are with me now, and the lady who says she cleaned that day also says she found nothing of the sort. But all are replaceable. My meds supposedly require a prescription, but the pharmacist sold me some anyway.Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind.
One night I very carefully prepared my clothes because I knew I would leave first. In the morning, in the dark, I gently lifted up my shorts and all the coins fell out of my pocket rolling across the floor. It was SO loud and I was so very sorry to wake everyone up. Best laid plans...!I hate saying this about myself but I was one of the bag rustlers in the early mornings staying in z Alburgues
Even though I had carefully organised my stuff the night before I was still not content in the wee hours of the morning in case I left something behind. Sorrrryyyy any body else ??
That's just so very cute.One night I very carefully prepared my clothes because I knew I would leave first. In the morning, in the dark, I gently lifted up my shorts and all the coins fell out of my pocket rolling across the floor. It was SO loud and I was so very sorry to wake everyone up. Best laid plans...!
I leave early. I like walking when the light is turning. I like walking before the masses come out. I like the quiet and solitude of the early morning. It has nothing to do with racing. I like the early morning. I pack before going to bed, dress, and slip out quietly. No plastic bags or repacking.One small question - WHY do you leave so early?? OK I have not walked the Camino in July , but have never found it necessary to leave before 6.00 am!!
The other sleeping pilgrims won't mind if you silently drop Euro notes on the floor and don't realize it before you leaveI am also guilty of spilling coins on the floor.
Wow Robert! You're my kind of person! Thanks for your consideration of others!This is about my fourth draft to this thread. My tongue is bleeding because I am biting it. I will try to say this as gently as I can.
There is literally no excuse for making selfish noises when others are trying to sleep. I sleep exclusively in private rooms along the Camino because I do not want to expose others to my snoring. I would absolutely die if I kept someone from a restful sleep.
The same thing goes on airplanes. I never pull on the seat ahead of me to get to my feet. The person in that seat deserves to left alone. I never recline my seat in economy because the person behind me deserves to left alone.
At home, I do not my play music loud because my neighbors deserve to left alone.
It's truly not hard to think of others before acting.
Yes! Me too. Walking into that morning light and quiet is the best part of the day for me. Preparing the night before and leaving quietly is a prelude to that.I leave early. I like walking when the light is turning. I like walking before the masses come out. I like the quiet and solitude of the early morning. It has nothing to do with racing. I like the early morning. I pack before going to bed, dress, and slip out quietly. No plastic bags or repacking.
Yes! Me too. Walking into that morning light and quiet is the best part of the day for me. Preparing the night before and leaving quietly is a prelude to that.
"Your days are numbered. Use them to throw open the windows of your soul to the sun. If you do not, the sun will soon set, and you with it."
Marcus Aurelius,
The Emperor's Handbook, II,IV
I am one of those early risers, too, and have been my entire life. I work from home now and still get up before dawn for absolutely no reason than it's right for me.I am an early morning riser, too. What is interesting is how most assume that early morning start = bed race or to escape the heat. Its not always that. People who simply wake up that early and love that time of the day do exist!
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