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Debinq said:Just do not expect to receive a nicely calligraphied 'compostella' when you fess up at the office with your 'sello' festooned credential and tell you've not done yr camino 'per christo' or for some other spiritual reason!
happy trails quand meme
Peter
Debinq said:Sure Cpt Bud
if you have the appropriate number of sellos you get a compostella - so did I - but it was not beautifully calligraphied as others I saw that were given to ppl who said they had walked 'per christo' - my name was scribbled with a Bic pen - I was told this was because I had not done my camino for a spiritual or religious reason..... I'm not encouraging anyone to lie
Peter
I prefer the view that an agnostic denies that anything is known or can be known about the existence or nature of any metaphysical phenomena, such as the notion of a deity.Priscillian said:Agnostics by definition "don´t know". The Camino is your space, man....
This misses the point that strictly speaking, agnosticism is about what knowledge we can have about the metaphysical, not about whether one chooses to believe, not believe or remains undecided about the existence of a deity.daesdaemar said:Maybe you won't be an agnostic after you walk it???
dougfitz said:This misses the point that strictly speaking, agnosticism is about what knowledge we can have about the metaphysical, not about whether one chooses to believe, not believe or remains undecided about the existence of a deity.daesdaemar said:Maybe you won't be an agnostic after you walk it???
Using the term loosely to refer to someone who is undecided about this misses the whole point and power of the distinction between knowledge and belief. Merely being undecided is not agnosticism, it is just being undecided. In my view those who use the term 'agnostic' to indicate that they are undecided do it an injustice.
Regards,
Two points:daesdaemar said:However, words with complex meanings are often used within the vernacular with a simple intent . I don't mean to speak for DougWatson, but his post seems to indicate that he uses the word as many others do in common usage: they are not sure if they believe.
I'm not sure why this is relevant to the thread.daesdaemar said:BTW: I have a master's degree in theology/philosophy.
dougfitz said:I prefer the view that an agnostic denies that anything is known or can be known about the existence or nature of any metaphysical phenomena, such as the notion of a deity.Priscillian said:Agnostics by definition "don´t know". The Camino is your space, man....
As a strict agnostic, I would object as much to someone claiming to know that there is no god, as to someone saying they know there is one. I should equally allow that my agnosticism has nothing to say about what people believe, including what I choose to believe. .
Me tooNot true. My wife and I are atheist, and we received our Compostela without lying about anything. In truth, it was a spiritual journey for us both, but we are still atheists.
Buen Camino
But a thread that could end badly.Another old thread brought back to life. Check the dates of the posts.....
However the posts here are timeless..
Douglas, why are you asking? Seriously... should has no place here. How could you be wrong? Do you believe in eating your breakfast? Do you believe in being clean? Forgive me, I am one of those old ladies who has decided to wear more purple. You have as much right as anybody to head out, keep your ancient uncle company, and enjoy the whole experience! I am partly joking: your uncle isn’t ancient, I am slightly younger than he is... you are doing him a favour, maybe, but he is doing you a bigger one! Buen camino.Hello,
I consider myself an agnostic, from a catholic family. I have agreed to join my Uncle on his journey.
He has been travelling from Le Puy in several stages. He was travelling with a friend who can no longer continue. The last stage, for which will be joining him is from Santander, along the northern route.
I am doing the journey for several reasons; firstly to accompany my 73 year old Uncle and because i believe i will simply enjoy the journey, the countryside, Spain's food, culture and north coast. I'm very much looking forward to it.
Am i wrong for contemplating this journey? I will obviously respect other's travellers faith, but I am a little anxious about undertaking this journey as a 'non believer'.
I'd appreciate your opinions & advice.
Regards
Douglas.
Since the thread has been resurrected this recent podcast might be of some interest to those pondering the original question. Three people - one being Guy Stagg, the atheist author of a recent book about a pilgrimage from Canterbury to Jerusalem - talk about what non-religious people might gain from a pilgrimage. An atheist, an agnostic and a Catholic in a three-way conversation.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/an-atheist-goes-on-a-christian-pilgrimage-whats-the-point/
He headed for Santander in May 2013, and last visited the Forum in June 2013. I think we can assume that he won't be sharing!It would be great to know how
@DougWatson
actually got on, and if he enjoyed the Camino.
... you are doing him a favour, maybe, but he is doing you a bigger one! Buen camino.
Thanks, Falcon. I didn't really look at the dates!!He headed for Santander in May 2013, and last visited the Forum in June 2013. I think we can assume that he won't be sharing!
Forgive me, I am one of those old ladies who has decided to wear more purple.
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