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Sounds like a good feature.This is a new feature that we are experimenting with.
If there is a clear correct answer to the question then one of the mods will mark it as the "solution," but the thread remains open, as often there are follow up posts that add more context or information.
At least that's my understanding of how it works!
That could lead to an every deepening philosophical rabbit hole, judging by the the often endless variety of knowledge, suggestions, ideas and opinions that appear on threads on this forumthe "solution,"
Ivar just announced today that donating members now have the ability to search their private conversations.Anything else new?
That is an interesting explanation. The one instance that I have seem most recently, the response so labelled didn't even answer the question asked by the person starting the thread. It makes me wonder what protocols moderators have in place for this and other circumstances where they might have got it wrong.This is a new feature that we are experimenting with.
If there is a clear correct answer to the question then one of the mods will mark it as the "solution," but the thread remains open, as often there are follow up posts that add more context or information.
At least that's my understanding of how it works!
FYI, I looked for this thread to see which one it was using the forum search engine. Searching using the keyword solution doesn't find the posts with the green Solution banner.The one instance that I have seem most recently, the response so labelled didn't even answer the question asked by the person starting the thread.
My post was the one labeled with the broad green "solution" banner and I must admit I found it a bit jarring. I replied to the OP with some information that might assist with further research and certainly didn't intend to present it as a solution to the OP.The one instance that I have seem most recently, the response so labelled didn't even answer the question asked by the person starting the thread.
Masa-Pizza a Corte, in Santiago de Compostela. (not a solution) but The absolute bestTo the mods: Nothing I write is ever a solution (well you probably know this already). Unless it's about pizza.
On this forum? Really? You surprise me Doug! Or am I just more cynical than you?I also wonder if this will have a muzzling effect on members contributing to threads where there might still be useful information to share, but the moderators have 'declared' there to be a 'solution'.
Been there. Done that.People still share incorrect, completely irrelevant opinions and information long, long after the OP's question has been answered, or they've returned home.
It helps other people find the answer in case they come to the forum with the same questionI don't understand the necessity of the solution banner. If it's marked solved, this implies end of discussion, nothing else added can be valid. It's an odd, unnecessary block.
Thank you for pointing out this thread. Wow! Two clearly correct answers were provided before the one some moderator selected as the 'solution'. What distinguished the third response from the two clearly correct responses that preceded it? Was it that the third was by a moderator? I think that there is something fundamentally unsettling to have a function that moderators can use to highlight their own or other moderators' posts in some way over responses provided by other members. Maybe that can be addressed, but it is a flaw in these arrangements until it is fixed.A recent case in point: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...fintely-closed-until-march.84529/post-1208942
Will it have it's teething problems? Probably. Personally, I think it's an excellent idea.
Ummm - what do you see that I don't?Thank you for pointing out this thread. Wow! Two clearly correct answers were provided before the one some moderator selected as the 'solution'. What distinguished the third response from the two clearly correct responses that preceded it? Was it that the third was by a moderator? I think that there is something fundamentally unsettling to have a function that moderators can use to highlight their own or other moderators' posts in some way over responses provided by other members. Maybe that can be addressed, but it is a flaw in these arrangements until it is fixed.
I disagree. The first reply not only provides the explicit context for the response, it is both clear and correct. More, it implicitly answers the second question posed by the OP in that thread. There wasn't any more that needed to be said in terms of providing a clear and complete answer. The later response by @trecile provides additional context, certainly, but doesn't add anything to the completeness of the answers already provided.Ummm - what do you see that I don't?
Whilst in post#2 @Tincatinker indirectly answered the question by referring the OP to a previous thread, that thread dates from 2017/ 2018. Is it the case this year, a full 6 years later? I don't consider that as a clear answer. Whilst it happens to be correct, it could just as easily not be.
In post #3, @Bradypus said 'yes', which is NOT correct, as the route is closed for a minimum of an entire month longer. So the first correct Post that I see is #4, that from Trecile. Who coincidentally is a moderator.
I see no such implication, and have already addressed the reasoning for my analysis. I need say no more.The second post was a one-word “yes.” This is incomplete because it could imply that the closure ends in March, which is clearly not the case.
Thank you for pointing out this thread. Wow! Two clearly correct answers were provided before the one some moderator selected as the 'solution'. What distinguished the third response from the two clearly correct responses that preceded it? Was it that the third was by a moderator? I think that there is something fundamentally unsettling to have a function that moderators can use to highlight their own or other moderators' posts in some way over responses provided by other members. Maybe that can be addressed, but it is a flaw in these arrangements until it is fixed.
That was exactly my reasoning. @Tincatinker did have a correct response, but it was in the form of a link to another thread.Ummm - what do you see that I don't?
Whilst in post#2 @Tincatinker indirectly answered the question by referring the OP to a previous thread, that thread dates from 2017/ 2018. Is it the case this year, a full 6 years later? I don't consider that as a clear answer. Whilst it happens to be correct, it could just as easily not be.
In post #3, @Bradypus said 'yes', which is NOT correct, as the route is closed for a minimum of an entire month longer. So the first correct Post that I see is #4, that from Trecile. Who coincidentally is a moderator.
Clearly, saying that the Napoleon route is closed until March is incorrect. It is closed until April.I see no such implication, and have already addressed the reasoning for my analysis. I need say no more.
Having a "solution" to this question at the top of the thread helps to eliminate confusion.If starting in SJPdP, the only allowed route is through Valcarlos now through end of April, or longer
The statement was in response to a question whether Route Napoleon was closed until March. Saying 'yes' is entirely and completely correct. You might have added the fact that it was closed through to 1 Apr, context maybe, but that wasn't the question that was asked.Clearly, saying that the Napoleon route is closed until March is incorrect. It is closed until April.
I'm glad to hear that. Clearly I think there is still much to learn.This Question and Solution format is new to us, and we are working on how best to implement it.
I need say no more.
I wouldn't want this wording because I don't think the functionality should be used as a popularity contest, either within the moderator group or more broadly across the forum. I think it should be used sparingly and only when a clear, unambiguous, and factual answer is asked for and given. So I would never want to see it used with the most common questions on the forum (hiking shoes or hiking boots, poncho or rain jacket or umbrella, book ahead or don't book ahead, what is the best way to get to SJPP, etc.). A question like "Who wrote The Pilgrimage Road to Santiago: The Complete Cultural Handbook?" is fair game, though.Inside the box I would like to get rid the the Solution text and put in "The moderators like the response in post #7 below" (with "post #7 below" linked).
I, too, use my smartphone but I have to say I don't find this confusing at all. You simply click the 'view full post' and the entire post is there before you. Quite a useful feature I thought.I've been using my smartphone for the forum so this comment may not apply to larger displays but I don't like the banner stripe with the snippet of the solution post underneath
In my opinion, if someone asks a question or poses a problem, it should be the sole privilege of the asker to decide which post, if any, solves it.My post was the one labeled with the broad green "solution" banner and I must admit I found it a bit jarring. I replied to the OP with some information that might assist with further research and certainly didn't intend to present it as a solution to the OP.
The asker might not know enough to be able to determine which answer is actually correctIn my opinion, if someone asks a question or poses a problem, it should be the sole privilege of the asker to decide which post, if any, solves it.
If they’re experienced enough, they might know which answer is correct. But more often than not, they don’t know.In my opinion, if someone asks a question or poses a problem, it should be the sole privilege of the asker to decide which post, if any, solves it.
Thank you. You are correct, this should have been done. This note has been added to the thread about the Napoleon Route:When you are introducing something that affects others, it's courteous and good inclusive practice to explain what you are about to do before you do it. We didn't get a heads-up thread in this case, but I suggest that would be a useful way to go in future.
That attribution is correct, but it has been taken out of context, where I stated that I did not need to repeat the analysis that I had provided in an earlier post. A more complete quote where that is clear is:I need say no more.
I might have said no more about any of this if, but then this was posted:I see no such implication, and have already addressed the reasoning for my analysis. I need say no more.
This repeats the assertion I objected to earlier, as if mere repetition would make it correct when it wasn't correct before. This statement, examined in isolation and not in the context of the question that was asked, doesn't withstand analysis. The word 'until' is normally used with an inclusive meaning, so a statement that something is available until March would normally carry the meaning that it is available until the end of March, and won't be available in April. This is clearly the case with Route Napoleon, which is closed by government decree until 31 March.Clearly, saying that the Napoleon route is closed until March is incorrect. It is closed until April.
flies in the face of the conventional meaning of the word until if the intent was to indicate that it was open in April.Clearly, saying that the Napoleon route is closed until March is incorrect. It is closed until April.
Get over it.Earlier, @C clearly reminded those participating in the forum that I had made this statement.
That attribution is correct, but it has been taken out of context, where I stated that I did not need to repeat the analysis that I had provided in an earlier post. A more complete quote where that is clear is:
I might have said no more about any of this if, but then this was posted:
This repeats the assertion I objected to earlier, as if mere repetition would make it correct when it wasn't correct before. This statement, examined in isolation and not in the context of the question that was asked, doesn't withstand analysis. The word 'until' is normally used with an inclusive meaning, so a statement that something is available until March would normally carry the meaning that it is available until the end of March, and won't be available in April. This is clearly the case with Route Napoleon, which is closed by government decree until 31 March.
So suggesting this:
flies in the face of the conventional meaning of the word until if the intent was to indicate that it was open in April.
To me, this goes to the broader subject of whether the designation of a Solution Post is worthwhile, and whether a set of guidelines can be developed that address its further use. Given the clear failures that have been identified in the two threads that have been discussed here, my own view is that any further implementation should be deferred while @ivar and the moderators work through the matters that have been raised here.
So suggesting this:
flies in the face of the conventional meaning of the word until if the intent was to indicate that it was open in April.
The word 'until' is normally used with an inclusive meaning, so a statement that something is available until March would normally carry the meaning that it is available until the end of March, and won't be available in April.
But no, English doesn't work like that! It is a democratic language with no authoritatve body.It will be interesting to get the opinion of one of our resident English language experts
I clearly disagree. But that isn't really the issue. The post was an example of what I think can go wrong with the notion that moderators are going to be capable of selecting the 'clear and correct' response that should be tagged as the 'solution'. Is more work required to address the issues this new feature has revealed? Clearly. Should the moderators stop using it until they have? Perhaps, or perhaps they should be more cautious about tagging posts where there might be some doubt. That's their call, but I do hope they get it right if this is to be a regular feature of the forum.So 'until March' means that something is available through until (this year) the 29th of February. Not the 1st of March the 22nd of March or any other date in March. Or even, as you say "until the end of March".
I think that our disagreement over the meaning of 'only' proves that they have done exactly that.Perhaps, or perhaps they should be more cautious about tagging posts where there might be some doubt. That's their call, but I do hope they get it right if this is to be a regular feature of the forum.
If you look at one or two of the other threads that have the green tick, I think you will also see that an appropriate, full, clear, unambiguous solution has been chosen.Whether you believe it’s inclusive or exclusive, the fact that there is disagreement among educated people about its meaning provides rock solid corroboration of the moderators’ decision.
As I wrote before searches don't find these Solution threads. Maybe identifying them with a green tick icon where the "Live from the camino" one is should be considered.If you look at one or two of the other threads that have the green tick, I think you will also see that an appropriate, full, clear, unambiguous solution has been chosen.
You’re right, it could be useful if you are researching a specific question like @Anniesantiago did recently ( Where does the bus to SJPP drop you off). Seeing theAs I wrote before searches don't find these Solution threads. Maybe identifying them with a green tick icon where the "Live from the camino" one is should be considered.
Normal searches of relevant key words will find the threads - same as other threads. A search for "solution" will not if that word is not used in the title or text, and it usually wouldn't be. Normally you wouldn't search the forum for all threads with definitive answers. You would be searching for threads on a topic, or asking a question using the key words - not the word "solution". I found the thread you were looking for by searching "napoleon pass closed."As I wrote before searches don't find these Solution threads.
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