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If you use Google Chrome, right-click on the text in the article and select "translate".A summary in English please. This is an English-language forum. Thank you so much.
Click on the link and then switch from ES for Spanish to EN for English in the top right corner. The article is available in these two languages. The website is managed by Correos, the official postal service in Spain.A summary in English please. This is an English-language forum. Thank you so much.
Thanks lindam,Just saw an article related to changes being made, starting in 2021, in the way stamps are collected in one's credencial. The article does state that the traditional method of gathering sellos will remain in place for those who do not wish to embrace the new method. Here is a link for said article: www.elcaminoconcorreos.com/es/blog/credencial-digital-para-el-ano-santo?fbclid=IwAR2aZ0bPUgS56S0gd4lzbuI1vfR6sRI8tQrZ0RudPvcMsoVen4eFElzIi5k.
Sorry, I had thought the link I posted was automatically translated into English. If you open it using Chrome, you will be given the option to have it translated using Google Translate. Hope this helps.A summary in English please. This is an English-language forum. Thank you so much.
Sorry, I had thought the link I posted was automatically translated into English. If you open it using Chrome, you will be given the option to have it translated using Google Translate. Hope this helps.
That "speed over the ground" part worries me: May reveal my beer breaks during each day...The paranoid might wonder why an alternative to ink and paper will record our identity, GPS position & speed over the ground
Wow, now that’s a conflation I’d be proud oftouristification
I’d like to think that even the scammers and blaggers would not stoop so low. At least, under past arrangements, the driver had to complete the Camino even if the “party” didn’t. If you can do the same thing from a laptop in a comfy cafe in Santiago surely that would lose some net-savvy clients and perhaps some of the flavour ?I'm surprised that @Tincatinker hasn't brought this up yet but the cynic in me sees someone collecting pictures of the QR codes to supply to leaders of groups that promise a compostela without having to walk.
Its the speed UNDER the ground that worries me! I mean, 6 feet has an ominous ring to itPerhaps my favourite line in the article is this one: "In addition, it will allow those responsible for the Office to know the approximate volume of pilgrims who will arrive in Santiago in the near future, in order to adapt the necessary resources."
Those of us who like to live an orderly life will no doubt be pleased that those responsible will know where we are, when we are coming and how honestly we have earned our lovely print-out. The paranoid might wonder why an alternative to ink and paper will record our identity, GPS position & speed over the ground
I'm surprised that @Tincatinker hasn't brought this up yet but the cynic in me sees someone collecting pictures of the QR codes to supply to leaders of groups that promise a compostela without having to walk.
As I’ve laboriously typed out with one finger previously
You softie, " beer breaks"May reveal my beer breaks during each day...
That "speed over the ground" part worries me: May reveal my beer breaks during each day...
The link you provided automatically translated into English for me. Thank you. And even if it didn't...there are so many ways to translate pretty much anything these days.Sorry, I had thought the link I posted was automatically translated into English. If you open it using Chrome, you will be given the option to have it translated using Google Translate. Hope this helps.
A summary in English please. This is an English-language forum.
I agree with you but whether I do return is another story. Unless they come up with a vaccine I will not return to Spain sadly but a reality.I'm sticking with paper and ink stamps.
The app isn't ready yet, the sellos have not yet been digitised by the albergues, in fact the website where the albergues can upload the digitised image of their sello isn't operational yet. So who knows. But my guess would be yes, you can use both options. Plus, as I understand it, the whole system will cover only the Caminos de Santiago in Galicia, i.e. the last section up to around 150 km until Santiago.Will you be able to do both? The digital one seems a good idea for safety & making it easier for the pilgrim office but I want a paper one to look at as a souvenir.
Big IF thereIf you can do the same thing from a laptop in a comfy cafe in Santiago
I think that the poster suggested that a photo be taken of the QR code and with a photo no phones need enter the albergue..... Entering an albergue with 20 credentials in one hand is one thing ... entering it with 20 smartphones is quite another thing.
Wow......my Credencial is my most cherished “go to quick fix” when I’m missing the Camino life.Just saw an article related to changes being made, starting in 2021, in the way stamps are collected in one's credencial. The article does state that the traditional method of gathering sellos will remain in place for those who do not wish to embrace the new method. Here is a link for said article: www.elcaminoconcorreos.com/es/blog/credencial-digital-para-el-ano-santo?fbclid=IwAR2aZ0bPUgS56S0gd4lzbuI1vfR6sRI8tQrZ0RudPvcMsoVen4eFElzIi5k.
Sure, you can use the digital credential app and also carry a paper one for the stamps.Will you be able to do both? The digital one seems a good idea for safety & making it easier for the pilgrim office but I want a paper one to look at as a souvenir. Doing both for my 1st camino in 2021 would be my prefered option
Agreed! A QR code wouldn't have had the adventure that your credencial did on the InviernoWho among us finds that their grubby dog-eared credencial has much more sentimental value than the
Compostela? I'm not a Luddite by any means, but just find this idea a little sad.
No indeed...nor would it have been as bonding as was the forum adventure of finding @VNwalking 's lost credencial!A QR code wouldn't have had the adventure that your credencial did on the Invierno
The digital one seems a good idea
Yes you can, its just another option. Doesn't seem to add much to me but tech is the futureWill you be able to do both? The digital one seems a good idea for safety & making it easier for the pilgrim office but I want a paper one to look at as a souvenir. Doing both for my 1st camino in 2021 would be my prefered option
Why? You can still use the paper one, can't you. You can still walk to Santiago using the credencial in the way you choose. You have no need to worry how others choose to do it.I heartily disagree with that statement.
It makes me very sad, too. The value and personal meaning of our paper credentials is not something that can be replicated online.Who among us finds that their grubby dog-eared credencial has much more sentimental value than the
Compostela? I'm not a Luddite by any means, but just find this idea a little sad.
Then just use the paper one, no need to get involved with digital stamping. Don't let it bother you, since it won't affect you.It makes me very sad, too. The value and personal meaning of our paper credentials is not something that can be replicated online.
there were no sellos at all to be had anywhere, not on paper, not on parchment, not on really thin tree bark and not in digital form. I wonder how they managed? ☺
And nothing stops us from going back to the tradition of purchasing metal badges along the way but it is apparently not what today's credential owners and sello collectors are yearning for.They collected badges from Shrines along the Way, and attached them to their clothing.
Walkers still do this. You can buy these metal badges in souvenir shops and attach them to your wooden walking stick. It's not a very hip thing to do and hasn't been so for the last 50 years or so. ☺In ‘A Time Of Gifts’ Patrick Leigh-Fermor mentions collecting a series of metal badges on his walking staff from pretty much every small town in Germany he passes through. That was in the mid 1930’s
I remember doing that in 1966Walkers still do this. You can buy these metal badges in souvenir shops and attach them to your wooden walking stick. It's not a very hip thing to do and hasn't been so for the last 50 years or so. ☺
Somewhere, I have pewter reproductions of medieval pilgrim badges from Jerusalem, Rome, Compostela, and Canterbury (all places I have been to). Unfortunately, a cursory search hasn't turned them up, so no photos yet. But they are around somewhere!They collected badges from Shrines along the Way, and attached them to their clothing.
My kids loved getting a few of these in the early 1990s!Walkers still do this. You can buy these metal badges in souvenir shops and attach them to your wooden walking stick. It's not a very hip thing to do and hasn't been so for the last 50 years or so.
I read Patrick Leigh-Fermor's books some years ago. They were great but I wish I had intros to the aristocracy along the Way.In ‘A Time Of Gifts’ Patrick Leigh-Fermor mentions collecting a series of metal badges on his walking staff from pretty much every small town in Germany he passes through. That was in the mid 1930’s
Walkers still do this. You can buy these metal badges in souvenir shops and attach them to your wooden walking stick. It's not a very hip thing to do and hasn't been so for the last 50 years or so. ☺
I read Patrick Leigh-Fermor's books some years ago. They were great but I wish I had intros to the aristocracy along the Way.
When the stamps are collected by QR Code, how does a pilgrim keep the stamps as a souvenir, I have kept all my pilgrim passports as memories.Just saw an article related to changes being made, starting in 2021, in the way stamps are collected in one's credencial. The article does state that the traditional method of gathering sellos will remain in place for those who do not wish to embrace the new method. Here is a link for said article: www.elcaminoconcorreos.com/es/blog/credencial-digital-para-el-ano-santo?fbclid=IwAR2aZ0bPUgS56S0gd4lzbuI1vfR6sRI8tQrZ0RudPvcMsoVen4eFElzIi5k.
Carry a paper credentialWhen the stamps are collected by QR Code, how does a pilgrim keep the stamps as a souvenir, I have kept all my pilgrim passports as memories.
Oeps!A summary in English please. This is an English-language forum. Thank you so much.
When the stamps are collected by QR Code, how does a pilgrim keep the stamps as a souvenir, I have kept all my pilgrim passports as memories.
Actually, the entire article will translate itself if you go up to the top right corner, click on the, "ES," allow it to show the drop down menu and click on the, "EN," for English.A summary in English please. This is an English-language forum. Thank you so much.
Brusque - I agree, and not even a thanks to all the people who offered suggestions after. It's a forum about a country which speaks a different language, and it's not difficult to use an online translator.Just read the original post and...I am sorry to say this, but it seemed a little brusque. Hope I am wrong about that. Thanks to the many people who later posted how to translate the article into English. Or to just read the article using the English language option.
The original article says this is a joint venture between the cathedral authorities and the junta (government) of Galicia. As the remit of the junta does not extend to other regions, I assume that the QR system of virtual sellos only applies to those obtained in registered establishments in Galicia. So unless you are one of the large number of walkers who start in Sarria and stay only in albergues, you will need to carry a paper credential for all of the Camino Frances before O Cebreiro. After entering Galicia long-distance pilgrims will have the choice, but after collecting physical sellos for nearly four weeks from StJPdP I anticipate that most will stick with the paper option.The app isn't ready yet, the sellos have not yet been digitised by the albergues, in fact the website where the albergues can upload the digitised image of their sello isn't operational yet. So who knows. But my guess would be yes, you can use both options. Plus, as I understand it, the whole system will cover only the Caminos de Santiago in Galicia, i.e. the last section up to around 150 km until Santiago.
Xunta de Galicia (no junta). Letter "j" doesn't exist in Galician.The original article says this is a joint venture between the cathedral authorities and the junta (government) of Galicia. As the remit of the junta does not extend to other regions, I assume that the QR system of virtual sellos only applies to those obtained in registered establishments in Galicia. So unless you are one of the large number of walkers who start in Sarria and stay only in albergues, you will need to carry a paper credential for all of the Camino Frances before O Cebreiro. After entering Galicia long-distance pilgrims will have the choice, but after collecting physical sellos for nearly four weeks from StJPdP I anticipate that most will stick with the paper option.
On my five Caminos I seldom slept in albergues, preferring the privacy of a private room and the necessity as a cyclist to leave after dawn without being woken before 0600. My four credentials (I did not collect sellos on the VdLP in 1996) hold an eclectic mix of stamps from hotels, guest houses and restaurants plus the occasional cathedral, church, town hall or museum. None have ever been questioned by the pilgrim office. I read that the junta are opening a register so that non-albergue operators can register their participation in the virtual sello system, but unless every restaurant and café along the route can be persuaded to join, the new system will be no use to travellers like me.
It seems from the press release that the new system is being promoted with two benefits. The first (and probably the original objective) is to reduce queueing time at the pilgrim office and hanging around waiting for the issue of one's Compostela. This is laudable, but a far more effective way would be to man more of the desks in the office at busy times of day. If the original forecasts of over 500,000 pilgrims in Holy Year come to fruition something will need to be done here, but unless universal vaccination has been achieved by next summer this figure will not transpire anyway. The second benefit seems to be a rapidly scraped together proposition that by avoiding physical contact between pilgrims and hospitaleros when QR codes are photographed, there will be a public health benefit. A dubious claim.
I am not, unlike posts from many other commentators, a dinosaur opposing any technological advances. However I do think that the limited nature of this system (Galicia only and restricted to albergues) will make it almost useless to pilgrims. Unless of course they are 100km pilgrims walking only from Sarria.
You can tear my paper credential from my cold, dead hands . . . . . . but could you queue up and get a Compostela for me, please?
Even my "Virtual Credential" has sellos and will be printed out in due course:
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It's just an A5 sheet in Word with a table inserted. The "Stage Awards" come from W4F and the sellos come from a comprehensive assortment on Los Sellos del CaminoThat’s rather good Jeff, what did you do to produce that?
Yes, people could "cheat" with this new system, but there are already people "cheating" and not walking the entire last 100 km. It has zero effect on me and my Camino - they are only cheating themselves.How secure is this new QR idea?
Imagine: A young person walking the Camino early next Summer. He/she takes a picture of every QR they come across, and posts them on the Internet (shares it with “Friends”).
I find these QR pictures. One day I load the Sarria QR on my tablet and use my phone's QR scanner.
I never left home, but I just started the Camino.
Later that morning I do this will a restaurant QR picture (along the way), I am now walking the Camino.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.... I just finished the Camino.
This also works very well for Taxi Pilgrims.
I don't like that at all.Just saw an article related to changes being made, starting in 2021, in the way stamps are collected in one's credencial. The article does state that the traditional method of gathering sellos will remain in place for those who do not wish to embrace the new method. Here is a link for said article: www.elcaminoconcorreos.com/es/blog/credencial-digital-para-el-ano-santo?fbclid=IwAR2aZ0bPUgS56S0gd4lzbuI1vfR6sRI8tQrZ0RudPvcMsoVen4eFElzIi5k.
Which bit, the electronic stamping or the traditional ink on paper stamp which is still to be made available.I don't like that at all.
Is there such a thing? Why would you even want compostella without walking? To hang on your wall and lie to people?I'm surprised that @Tincatinker hasn't brought this up yet but the cynic in me sees someone collecting pictures of the QR codes to supply to leaders of groups that promise a compostela without having to walk.
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