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On being Ruthless...

KJFSophie

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#1
The word 'ruthless' crossed my path today in conversation and I wondered afterwards if the opposite would be 'ruth'. Lo and behold, there it was in the dictionary , ruth (n.) compassion for another / sorrow about one's own misdeeds or flaws.

How nice it would be if we could all go around with a bit more ruth. I mention this in a camino forum because it's a word that I've searched for when trying to describe the attributes of pilgrims I've met along the way. It's delightful.
 

hel&scott

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#10
I always thought feck came from fecund... perhaps as a consequence of the other f k word. My mum* was a English major and didnt mind us girls using swear words as long as we knew what they meant and used them in proper context... It always struck me how many swear words have anti female origins. As a justiposition lots of women's names have very high brow and often beautiful meanings such as Ruth, Sophie, Faith and Hope.

* this is the same woman who named her daughter Hel... Apparently it was the first thing she said when I was born.
 
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#11
Be careful ! My name, Sophie, means wisdom...could be digging a hole...LOL
Very good. Thanks for being such a sport after I took your thoughtful post and drove it over a cliff. I've been spending an awful lot of time on the NOT a serious thread thread and couldn't help myself.
 
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#14
As a juxtaposition lots of women's names have very high brow and often beautiful meanings such as Ruth, Sophie, Faith and Hope.
Hel, you may have overlooked Charity as a women's name.

All five are very biblical with Faith, Hope and Charity (or love or compassion) being mentioned together very in:
1 Corinthians 13.13: And now faith, hope, and love abide ...

And also, as Faith, Hope and Charity, reminiscent of the names given to three Gloster Gladiator (string and cloth) fighter planes in the defence of Malta in 1940.

So, a lot going on

Now back to camino planning ...
 
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#16
Looked up feck. Not popular in either New York or Los Angeles.
Ha ha ha
Like this one!
Feck not too popular in Ireland either!!
Annette
 

KJFSophie

My Way, With Joy !
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Camino Frances (2014 & 2015 ) ,Via San Francesco, Italy (2017 )
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#19
Ahh names...Karin is a variant of Catherine...meaning Pure. It just don't say pure what!! ;)
I met a beautiful young woman from Ireland on my first camino named Orla. When I told her I loved her pretty & unique name she told me it wasn't her 'real name' ... " My real name", she said " is Karen and I hate it!" I had to laugh because my 'real name' / given name, is also Karen and I hate it! I go by my Confirmation/chosen name of Sophie. But I do like "Karin" with the 'i'... LOL
 
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#20
Yes, thanks for doing the finger work to find the meaning of ruth. So, ruthfull is an option... As for feck, I just always presumed it was an Irish variation on the other one, but then we have to look at feckless which is quite acceptable. I am far too lazy to check out anything at this moment, so the moment will pass, but I love playing around with words, so thanks for the post!
 
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#21
Hel, you may have overlooked Charity as a women's name.

And also, as Faith, Hope and Charity, reminiscent of the names given to three Gloster Gladiator (string and cloth) fighter planes in the defence of Malta in 1940.
How coincidental that you should mention the Gladiator. I just finished building a model of it a few weeks ago after reading a brief biography of its designer Henry Folland last year. I have been fascinated by the remarkable history of British aircraft innovations and design. I'm slowly working on another in a British plane series that I want to have, the Supermarine Spitfire (the Mk.IXc iteration) after watching a film on its brilliant designer, R.J. Mitchell. Then it will be onto a Lancaster -- maybe the Dam Buster. :)
 

Kiwi-family

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#22
Liberty is another serious girls’ name - I’m sure someone could play round with that and make it funny.
Thanks for the original post - it’s the kind of trivia I find interesting.
Thanks to everyone who took it off course and gave me a good laugh.
And to top it all off we find out little things about each other - @kirkie is a lazy old sod (word chosen in the lighthearted spirit of this conversation, not in an attempt to offend) and @davebugg makes model aeroplanes.
 
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Camino de Santiago, St Jean to Santuago, 2015
Camino Portuguese, 2018
#23
The word 'ruthless' crossed my path today in conversation and I wondered afterwards if the opposite would be 'ruth'. Lo and behold, there it was in the dictionary , ruth (n.) compassion for another / sorrow about one's own misdeeds or flaws.

How nice it would be if we could all go around with a bit more ruth. I mention this in a camino forum because it's a word that I've searched for when trying to describe the attributes of pilgrims I've met along the way. It's delightful.
Plus, I know some people named Ruth who embody those attributes! Nice!
 

JillGat

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C. Frances
SJPP - Finisterre - Muxia, May 2016
C. Frances, Sept 2017
Via de La Plata (spring, 2019)
#24
I didn't even realize "feck" was a real word when I suggested it. I just derived it as the opposite of "feckless." Who knew.
Of course, as at least four others on this forum will surely agree, the simple, perfect (and blessedly uncommon) female name is "Jill." To help Spanish people pronounce it perfectly, spell it "Xil."
 

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#25
Hey Tom, are you in Santiago now?
Yes, I will be here until the 12th, and working at the office until the 11th. My wife arrives tomorrow, as a tourist. On the 13th we will drive from Santiago to several places before ending up at Madrid. We fly home on a be 21st.
 
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#27
Yes, I will be here until the 12th, and working at the office until the 11th. My wife straight bed tomorrow, as a tourist. On the 13th we will drive from Santiago to several places before ending up at Madrid. We fly home on a be 21st.
Enjoy the trip.
 
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#28
the simple, perfect (and blessedly uncommon) female name is "Jill." To help Spanish people pronounce it perfectly, spell it "Xil."
Fantastic, thanks! I’ll remember that. (Love the photo!) In the whole of Europe I get a blank look (or a repeated query several times on the other end of the phone) if I say my name is Jill. So now I say my name is Margaret (my middle name as per my passport) when I have to book somewhere.
Jill
 
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#29
Fantastic, thanks! I’ll remember that. (Love the photo!) In the whole of Europe I get a blank look (or a repeated query several times on the other end of the phone) if I say my name is Jill. So now I say my name is Margaret (my middle name as per my passport) when I have to book somewhere.
Jill
Next time tell them Bill and if they give you trouble when you check in tell them that they messed up.
 

Kiwi-family

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#30
Unlike @JillGat who prefers her name to be pronounced “the English way”, my youngest loves the Spanish pronunciation of hers: Ella-Rose.
 

Birdbass

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#33
....with regard to names...my forename is Peter...when receiving confirmation, the Saint name I chose was Dominic....so consequently I became Peter Dominic..which co- incidentally(!) is the same name as a successful chain of off-licences ( liquor stores) here in the UK...I still have a quiet smile to myself when I think of the bizarre sense of humour I've had the joy of carrying with me for the past half century...Time to fess up to the church, do you think....or should I just enjoy wallowing in the smugness?
 
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#34
....with regard to names...my forename is Peter...when receiving confirmation, the Saint name I chose was Dominic....so consequently I became Peter Dominic..which co- incidentally(!) is the same name as a successful chain of off-licences ( liquor stores) here in the UK...I still have a quiet smile to myself when I think of the bizarre sense of humour I've had the joy of carrying with me for the past half century...Time to fess up to the church, do you think....or should I just enjoy wallowing in the smugness?
and did you ever see a food chain called Frankie and Bennie?
 

Marbe2

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2017 Leon to Santiago
Pamplona to Santiago Mar. 2018
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#35
Looked up feck. Not popular in either New York or Los Angeles.
I never heard the word feck before... at first I thought it was a British version of another expletive..I always remark what useful;)info one learns on this website!
Glad Dave that you were rolling on the Floor.....:):):)
 
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#36
I never heard the word feck before...What valuable info one learns on this website.
A much nicer/softer adjective or exclamation than the alternative swear word!!

Only of course if it's COMPLETELY necessary to use it
Never say this word myself
Of course not
 
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#37
I never heard the word feck before... at first I thought it was a British version of another expletive..I always remark what useful;)info one learns on this website!
Glad Dave that you were rolling on the Floor.....:):):)
No....Feck is the Irish version
Never heard anyone in the UK use it...
Unless they were Irish
 
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#38
and did you ever see a food chain called Frankie and Bennie?
My name is Bridget...
But it's not!!
I'm called Annette but it's not my real name!
Everyone calls me Annette
So maybe it is my name seeing as I've been called Annette all my life!

Confused!
You will be!
So let me explain

When I was christened many years ago, the tradition in Ireland was that each baby was given 2 names.....same as most countries
However back then, we were called ....not by the first given name....but by the second name
So...
My first given name is Bridget and my middle name is Antoinette .....which became Annette

Same thing with my sister....

Don't even ask me about my confirmation name !!

I also had a religious name for a time
But we won't go into that

Still confused??
So has everyone who tried to decipher this all my life!
Especially with official documents
And at work

EG......what's the B for Annette....I thought your name was Annette?!!
So for different jobs...I had different names!

Sometimes I hardly know who I am myself!

Forward 30 years ...
2 lovely daughters
Knew exactly what we would call them

Would I put them through the first name/ second name fiasco??
Not on your nelly
Best wishes
Annette /Bridget/ Antoinette......take your pick!
 
#39
The word 'ruthless' crossed my path today in conversation and I wondered afterwards if the opposite would be 'ruth'. Lo and behold, there it was in the dictionary , ruth (n.) compassion for another / sorrow about one's own misdeeds or flaws.

How nice it would be if we could all go around with a bit more ruth. I mention this in a camino forum because it's a word that I've searched for when trying to describe the attributes of pilgrims I've met along the way. It's delightful.

I walked with Jesus today
 
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#40
Ruth (less) happens to be my middle name!
Hey me too! I dropped it briefly as a child when I read Swallows & Amazons (because pirates are ruthless). Never thought to look up the meaning though. It's great, goes well with my first name which means love.

(Naturally I always behave in a manner which matches my names....:))
 

FLEUR

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#41
@Veteranmember
Like you I walked my CF in stages. When I finally reached Santiago and received my certificate they wrote an interesting version of Ruth. I can't tell you exactly what it was, the certificate is at home and I'm not there at present.
 
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#42
I hope the moderators don't mind, but ...

Supermarine Spitfire (the Mk.IXc iteration) .... Then it will be onto a Lancaster -- maybe the Dam Buster
You may also consider the Hawker Hurricane - the backbone in the Battle of Britain. I suggest that flown by Douglas Bader who had prosthetic legs from about 1932.

For a Lancaster in Operation Chastise (Dam(n) Busters raid on 17 May 1943 I suggest you consider the craft with squadron letter W, Les Munro as pilot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise and
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Munro
 

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