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Thanks Andy but the poncho IS my preferred all over cover. I’ve just received the Frogg toggs. from overseas (Online).Wow! I've walked caminos from April - December, and am about to start on the Francigena in Italy next month in March. On all my caminos, I've always had some rain, and can't imagine going without rain gear. Especially so in March, when it will be cold and your rain jacket will double as a regular jacket. And the pack cover seems to be a no-brainer, as it only weighs an ounce or two and will keep your pack and the clothes inside dry. You certainly don't need, however, a poncho and a rain jacket. The rain jacket should suffice, and as noted, will double as a jacket to keep you warm.
Thanks LuchoThree is overkill, in my opinion.
The S2S looks like the right thing for a single item, assuming this is what you're talking about:
Ultra-Sil™ Nano™ Tarp Poncho - Sea to Summit
Our all-in-one raincoat/pack cover/groundsheet/tarp is made from double stitched and tape seamed 15D Ultra-Sil® Nano fabric. It is ideal as a rain shelter in hot climates or as an emergency shelter.seatosummit.com
I like those better than jacket/bag cover combo because the pack covers seem to not always get every corner covered and rain finds its way in. Meanwhile, rain jackets tend to only cover to your waste. That's my preference.
If you can stand a little more weight, the light jacket you mention would be good as a second option used for light passing rain and/or wind, and also can be worn under the S2S poncho during heavy downpour.
I'm curious, though, your profile lists quite a few Caminos so it appears you have a fair amount of experience. What did you do on prior walks and why are you (re)considering 3 rain items?
Thanks for that reply Alice .I don't think those three items are overkill. I used to walk with rain jacket + backpack cover, and that works fine for drizzle and light showers ... UNTIL it starts absolutely pitching rain, and then it might not be enough. Waterproof jackets can lose their finish over the course of a long walk and water can seep in around places where there has been rubbing, such as shoulders. But putting on a big poncho every time there is precipitation means you may be walking in a steam tent on days when that high level of protection isn't needed. Last time, after getting soaked through (and eventually catching pneumonia!) I bought a poncho to deal with the worst weather and also to provide more warmth. Leaving 2 April and I will have my Montane Minimus jacket (191g), rain kilt (54g), pack cover (91g), and lightweight but full-length poncho (290g). I think it was dragging into Santiago with pneumonia that makes me think this 'extra' weight it worth it (for me). I will wear 2kg and carry 6kg on my back.
So MichaelAnnie.
Strange coincidence I just received my frogg poncho today ( Great minds etc..) as you might know going in May, going with Frogg, light fleece, and pack cover.
To be sure caught out to many times so your plan looks good.
Does the frogg look strong enough to you??
Bene Camino
Well hello Mr CrawleyI ditch my rucksack rain covers and use the pocket for something else. The lasat time I used one, on a very wet crossing of the Pyrenees, I found water had soaked into my pack from the frame side as it found its way between my waterproof jacket and the pack.
In March I'd go for my Altus (you can always "kilt up" the skirt section) or my German LifeAdventure poncho (snaps along the sides so you can vent but has a snap fastener between the legs too) and a light jacket.
It's Europe, it's late winter/early spring- you want to stay dry and warm!
Hi AnnieMy Altus over a wool sweater keeps me toasty warm when walking in the rain. It also keeps my pack dry. I’d leave the pack cover behind.
I have used some frogg togg products, rain suit and gloves, in the past. They did not hold up well for me. This year I skipped a jacket deciding to use the altus poncho for everything. Worked out fine.Thanks Andy but the poncho IS my preferred all over cover. I’ve just received the Frogg toggs. from overseas (Online).
Previously I’ve used cover and poncho ..
Just to be sure ... but the quality of the frogg toggs material makes me doubt the need to cover my pack below it.
I will chew over your recommendations though. Always room to change ideas
Thanks
Annie
Very interesting........ thanks for sharing your experienceI have used some frogg togg products, rain suit and gloves, in the past. They did not hold up well for me. This year I skipped a jacket deciding to use the altus poncho for everything. Worked out fine.
I'd ditch all three ponchos and purchase one THE PACKA. Fabulous rain jacket that can be put on and taken off without removing your pack. Oversize pouch on the back of the jacket covers your pack without distorting the fit of the jacket. Pouch is made with a different fabric than the jacket; impervious to water. Jacket breathes well, has pit zips for additional ventilation, and can serve as a jacket or shirt. Light weight and extremely well constructed. Not cheap, but once you have a THE PACKA, you'll likely never go back to a poncho. Best wishes.I’m walking in March ( first in Italy ) then the Sanabrés from March 20.
I’m trying to reduce pack weight as I’ve got a back problem.
I’ve got 3 types of poncho to choose from,
Altus poncho ; sea 2 summit ultra sil tarp poncho; and Frogg toggs poncho. So I don’t want poncho recommendations.
My query is:
Is it overkill ; for all 3 rain protection below ?
- (a) to wear a light rain jacket ( good wind & cold protection when it’s not raining )
- (b) a back pack cover ? My pack doesn’t have one built in.
- (C) a poncho ?
I’m wondering if I need the backpack cover ?
Annie
My son always uses the Frogg Togg poncho on all of his trekking jaunts. It covers over his pack sufficiently and he does not use a pack rain cover.Thanks Andy but the poncho IS my preferred all over cover. I’ve just received the Frogg toggs. from overseas (Online).
Previously I’ve used cover and poncho ..
Just to be sure ... but the quality of the frogg toggs material makes me doubt the need to cover my pack below it.
I will chew over your recommendations though. Always room to change ideas
Thanks
Annie
Hi JaneI'd ditch all three ponchos and purchase one THE PACKA. Fabulous rain jacket that can be put on and taken off without removing your pack. Oversize pouch on the back of the jacket covers your pack without distorting the fit of the jacket. Pouch is made with a different fabric than the jacket; impervious to water. Jacket breathes well, has pit zips for additional ventilation, and can serve as a jacket or shirt. Light weight and extremely well constructed. Not cheap, but once you have a THE PACKA, you'll likely never go back to a poncho. Best wishes.
I’m glad you chimed in Chrissy.My son always uses the Frogg Togg poncho on all of his trekking jaunts. It covers over his pack sufficiently and he does not use a pack rain cover.
Hmm. Yes , swapping the rain jacket for the ultralight wind jacket below might be a good idea to cut the weight too. Good one !I like having the pack cover on the bag even with a poncho over top. It allows for bag protection when the bag needs to come off to be placed in a wet chair or on wet ground.
I don’t use a rain jacket. I have an ultralight wind breaker that serves to repel a light drizzle if I’m out and about in the evenings.
Hi Annie, we both use Frogg Toggs...he the poncho, me the rain suit, although I don't have to don the pants often...only in a very cold rain which I can count on two fingers, but I still bring them!I’m glad you chimed in Chrissy.
I thought I remembered that you had a Frogg Togg. But it was your son. Thanks ‘no cover below works ‘.
Annie
I’ll let you know when I return ; just what I did use and whether it worked.Everyone has a solution. Mine(a repeat) is waterproof stuff sacks (different colors ) a rain jacket as they are multi use. Leggings (can double as thermals and dry quickly) with light shorts (sleepwear, swimwear). If you choose all three on your list, post a success list later.
It's the hemline Annie - you haul it up to waist level like the medieval monks did so they wouldn't get a dirty habitWell hello Mr Crawley
Great to hear from you.
I’m not sure what the ‘skirt section ‘of the Altus is though ?
Thanks for the reminder : “ it’s Europe late winter/early spring “ and I do want to stay warm and dry !!
Thankyou Jeff
Annie
In regards to your Altus taping. I have used the same Altus poncho (I think I paid about 25 Euros for it in Madrid in 2012 so it is not a real high end poncho) for all 5 of my caminos. I doubt that I have much taping left. I probably pulled the last of it off last November. I had more rain on this camino than probably the other 4 put together. I sweated some as I always do, but not as much as it was really cold most of the time. But I stayed dry and most importantly my pack stayed dry thoughout the camino. I definitely had either rain most of the day or at least part of the day at least 70% of the time.Hi Annie
How old is your Altus ? I’ve re-Proofed mine (not sure it’s possible though ). There are also some seams or rather the taping looking a bit loose - so I was concerned about it.
May get under the shower tomorrow and test it
If you haven’t seen the Frogg toggs poncho though - for the price . Worth checking out.
Thanks again
Annie
Aha. Must admit / when I wore my (also green) Altus ., I did the tucking and tying thing rather than try to get it off. And doing that / it’s there ‘at the ready ‘ to pull down again if weather changes. Now as I’m writing this I realise that this is probably how the ‘packa’ poncho was thought up.It's the hemline Annie - you haul it up to waist level like the medieval monks did so they wouldn't get a dirty habit
I copied the idea from Rachel @Camino2010 who posted a couple of photographs HERE
I tuck the bottom inwards under the waistband of my rucksack front and rear and you end up with a jacket length waterproof that still keeps your pack dry.
Thankyou. I love the tips for the Italian part. !When you walking in Italy close to the Alps it can be pretty cold. Plus what I saw from the west coast in Italy they realy have Mikro climate so it can rain and being very dramatic Italians like drama and 10 km further warm and sunny to hot . Wind comes in from the sea . Same the cold wind coming in from the Alps in the Veneto. Ah and the hiking markers are a challenge if the exist are very ambiguou. Plus all distance traffic signes are more an estimate. Ah the Famous FiLiPi signes go both ways pending where you want to go, but the signes will not help. Further south mileages will show at least on the car road the distance to Rome.
Good to know all the water spouts in Rome that have a little hole on top a drinking water spa quality no need to buy water in Rome. Most food stores have bathroom ask for the key at the chashiers.
in the bars there are 3 different prices for coffee. Cheapest at the bar inside, that what most Italians do, then more sitting in and most sitting outside. in the bakeries pizza are sold by weight not cheep. Better go to pizzeria. Ha so much fun I am happy for you.
If you walk in March, poncho and jacket. No need for backpack cover.I’m walking in March ( first in Italy ) then the Sanabrés from March 20.
I’m trying to reduce pack weight as I’ve got a back problem.
I’ve got 3 types of poncho to choose from,
Altus poncho ; sea 2 summit ultra sil tarp poncho; and Frogg toggs poncho. So I don’t want poncho recommendations.
My query is:
Is it overkill ; for all 3 rain protection below ?
- (a) to wear a light rain jacket ( good wind & cold protection when it’s not raining )
- (b) a back pack cover ? My pack doesn’t have one built in.
- (C) a poncho ?
I’m wondering if I need the backpack cover ?
Annie
Ha ha. I do trust you!If you walk in March, poncho and jacket. No need for backpack cover.
Poncho alone too cool. I would take a fleecy windstopper/ or down puffer jacket that offers warmth and light drizzle protection, put sea to summit poncho on when it rains. Have a couple of merino layers under that and a silk singlet. My proven combo.
10 000 plus km on pilgrim trails over last 14 years. Trust me.
I haven't had to use gloves...there are very lightweight silk ones...or thin merino ones...Ha ha. I do trust you!
I was giving out the ‘rain protection stuff ‘ I was trying to choose combo from.
You would have me leaving home without my warm stuff ? I don’t like being cold. During the day when walking I prefer the cold as the internal fire is stoked by walking ; however when not walking ‘ I need to feel warm ‘.
I’m still deciding on ‘which’ warm stuff but I took a very super light short down jacket. - will still take it this year.
Some of this stuff like merino tops or /light fleece etc don’t weigh much. I’m doing that list right now. Ps. Where do you find silk singlets. ? I think it sounds luxurious but I’m happy with merino
One other thing I didn’t mention before which gets wet: gloves. I have a selection to choose from but if it rains ., one also needs to keep them dry. Previously when it rain (last year in sea 2 summit poncho) I brought my hands back inside the poncho and kept my poles under my arm. Sort of a walking huddle .. I don’t want to outlay megabucks here for super duper rain proof ones ; it has been suggested to carry kitchen gloves to put over them when walking. 2 uses then for the kitchen gloves. Use when doing washing cleaning etc too.
What do you use for hands. ?
Thanks
Annie
Ok. Rain protection only...I prefer merino leggings with shorts over and poncho. Merino keeps you warm if wet and you can use it for evenings or pj pants. You sweat under rain pants, so wet anyway., dont see the point of them and such a hassle putting them on...I haven't had to use gloves...there are very lightweight silk ones...or thin merino ones...
Hi SophieJust one thing to consider : I used a rain jacket and pack cover walking in Italy on my third camino...because the pack is worn over the jacket, the padded shoulder harness and hip belt were saturated and didn't dry for days despite trying to put near any heat source I could find. It was miserable. I won't go that route again!
I've since walked with the pack cover ( which for me is not at all a significant amount of weight to consider leaving behind ) and a lightweight poncho. In colder weather I'll bring my Altus, but its way too hot for warmer months. I do bring other layers, either a lightweight windbreaker or packable down depending on weather.
I also kept my pack cover on in early mornings where it was foggy/misty before the sun came up....not enough to put on rain gear, but wanted to keep pack really dry.
I def recommend silk singlet plus 2 merino layers plus fleece or down jacket, merino gloves long, so you can move jacket sleeves up under poncho edge, merino leggings, wear shorts over and sea to summit nanosil poncho. Perfect combo.Hi Sophie
Since 2013 I’ve used a poncho for same reason you changed. Not wanting rain going down between my jacket and pack ..
I think an umbrella could work too but when I did try umbrella it was too windy and I judged that (for me ) it wasn’t worth the weight. I still look at posts about them with interest though.
After a few years of caminos ; some of my gear is ‘ageing’ and I’m not ready to shell out big money at the moment on upgrading to super weather proof jacket etc. I’ve just given my recently re-proofed rain jacket and Altus poncho a test in some rain an hour ago. A bit wetting through in patches.
Having a choice makes it harder to choose..
Thanks
Annie
Interesting about the rain pants ...Ok. Rain protection only...I prefer merino leggings with shorts over and poncho. Merino keeps you warm if wet and you can use it for evenings or pj pants. You sweat under rain pants, so wet anyway., dont see the point of them and such a hassle putting them on...
Shorts are a kiwi thing and liberating. I love my legs getting red with wet and cold. Wards off varicose veins. May be you should take the Frogg pants and the sea to summit poncho....Interesting about the rain pants ...
Some people feel they act like a good wind/rain/cold barrier.
I have ready to pack my merino leggings. I also usually sleep in them when cold. The time of year I’m walking and where I’m walking ( Italy in early March and Sanabrés later in March ) I’m sure I’ll be using them every night plus stand by for day ,,
I don’t wear shorts. Too self conscious.
Thanks
Annie
It sounds a perfect combo.I def recommend silk singlet plus 2 merino layers plus fleece or down jacket, merino gloves long, so you can move jacket sleeves up under poncho edge, merino leggings, wear shorts over and sea to summit nanosil poncho. Perfect combo.
This is getting lengthy but may help others.Shorts are a kiwi thing and liberating. I love my legs getting red with wet and cold. Wards off varicose veins. May be you should take the Frogg pants and the sea to summit poncho....
Not a sad case! On to it and sensible! I never pop the snaps on poncho open, they tear. Just pull the poncho over my head. Belt great idea. Different caminoes, countries, seasons, weather conditions, moods, body shapes, health needs, injuries, terrains, new products, wear and tear all demand ongoing tweaking of gear. Been there, done that and doing it again...over and over with zeal and zest and a bit of money, ouch...!This is getting lengthy but may help others.
For my gear of which I already have too much choice. I just purchased new -the Frogg poncho / I don’t have the pants.. ( I do have some other lightweight rain pants tho )
I also have the sea 2 summit poncho you recommend but found the wind kept bursting the snaps both years i used it. I did read a tip on forum recently though from Davebugg and Chrissy / to use a Tie around the middle as a belt which could also be doubled up as a clothesline..
I do admire some pilgrims who ‘get this all right ‘ first time out. I’ve been working on getting mine better each year since 2012. A sad case !
Haha. I put socks between 2 pairs of undies as ear covers and sun hat on top on a cold blustery day.2018. Camino via de la plata was so cold that people used their socks for clothes, but is was exceprionel cold. They do sell stuff in Spain.
here a link to the other forum
https://www.viafrancigena.me/ good tips for Italy.
That’s the winner ! Anything is possible. Ha ha.Haha. I put socks between 2 pairs of undies as ear covers and sun hat on top on a cold blustery day.
That was in 2006 and I walked without a cell phone and no possibility of taking selfiesGot a picture of it?
No need to feel self-conscious - you'll likely be among strangers and you may never walk that route again.Interesting about the rain pants ...
Some people feel they act like a good wind/rain/cold barrier.
I have ready to pack my merino leggings. I also usually sleep in them when cold. The time of year I’m walking and where I’m walking ( Italy in early March and Sanabrés later in March ) I’m sure I’ll be using them every night plus stand by for day ,,
I don’t wear shorts. Too self conscious.
Thanks
Annie
Also the sea to summit is a nightmare in the wind.
I’ve since learned to put a tie around the waist.
The Altus I found was getting a bit old.
Thanks
Annie
Most likely to be €50+ now - los tiempos cambian, los precios subenIn regards to your Altus taping. I have used the same Altus poncho (I think I paid about 25 Euros for it in Madrid in 2012 so it is not a real high end poncho) for all 5 of my caminos. I doubt that I have much taping left. I probably pulled the last of it off last November. I had more rain on this camino than probably the other 4 put together. I sweated some as I always do, but not as much as it was really cold most of the time. But I stayed dry and most importantly my pack stayed dry thoughout the camino. I definitely had either rain most of the day or at least part of the day at least 70% of the time.
You are right. I just looked at the Caminoteca website that is in Pamplona. I am sure their prices are a little higher than what you would pay in a Decathlon or other large chain. The atmospheric S3 which looks like my poncho is 48 Euros.Most likely to be €50+ now - los tiempos cambian, los precios suben
Ditto: Even though my backpack states it is waterproof, I also throw in a plastic compactor trash bag so no worries-everything in the pack is in it. I don't carry anything on the outside that cannot tolerate the rain. It worked on the Long Trail and the Appalachian Trail also. Can't beat it.I always line my backpack with a white trash compactor bag. No need for dry bags.
The backpack cover definitely. I took one poncho whick I carried for 36 days and wore once. I sweated so much under it I would have been better to leave it off. Walked in Sept/Oct so it was warm in the rain. Take the lightest poncho or a rain jacket.I’m walking in March ( first in Italy ) then the Sanabrés from March 20.
I’m trying to reduce pack weight as I’ve got a back problem.
I’ve got 3 types of poncho to choose from,
Altus poncho ; sea 2 summit ultra sil tarp poncho; and Frogg toggs poncho. So I don’t want poncho recommendations.
My query is:
Is it overkill ; for all 3 rain protection below ?
- (a) to wear a light rain jacket ( good wind & cold protection when it’s not raining )
- (b) a back pack cover ? My pack doesn’t have one built in.
- (C) a poncho ?
I’m wondering if I need the backpack cover ?
Annie
April2020 SJPdP / CdS (fingers crossed)I’m walking in March ( first in Italy ) then the Sanabrés from March 20.
I’m trying to reduce pack weight as I’ve got a back problem.
I’ve got 3 types of poncho to choose from,
Altus poncho ; sea 2 summit ultra sil tarp poncho; and Frogg toggs poncho. So I don’t want poncho recommendations.
My query is:
Is it overkill ; for all 3 rain protection below ?
- (a) to wear a light rain jacket ( good wind & cold protection when it’s not raining )
- (b) a back pack cover ? My pack doesn’t have one built in.
- (C) a poncho ?
I’m wondering if I need the backpack cover ?
Annie
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