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Hi Robey , the problem of try to wake snorers is , there is a chance that in a reaction of waking up they can hit you .Hi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
I stayed in a small hotel in A Coruna about 20 years ago. The only divider between our room and the one next door was a concertina door. The old man on the other side of the plastic divider snored so loudly that at about 3 am, having not slept a wink, we just started laughing...deliriously...at the sheer volume that one human can produce whilst blissfully unaware of the impact it is having on others. it was the only way to cope with the situation and make it through the night/morning. Honestly, he would've slept through a bomb blast.Robey.......Ah the age old problem of snoring . I always take ear-plugs , you know, the cheap yellow foam ones which work to a certain extent , but before i leave on my next pilgrimage ( March next year ) i will be investing in a pair of more expensive silicone ones as i have heard from a couple of other people that they work better .
As to answering your question .......only once have i had to "disturb " a snorer but it was only a short term solution as he soon started snoring again .
I did find that i slept better the further along the camino i got , due to tiredness i suppose . As you say last night was your first nights sleep , or lack of it , so i hope you will sleep better from now on . I always drink decaff coffee from noon onwards and i have a sleeping bag with a hood which when pulled round my head also helps attenuate the sound of snoring . There is very little can be done to stop some people snoring so the only alternative is to try and make sure the sound does not get past your ears .
Regards.....John
In France, they whistle at the snorer. They keep it up until the snorer awakens. Of course, by then, the whistling has awoken everyone! Then the snorer falls asleep to snore again.Hi Robey , the problem of try to wake snorers is , there is a chance that in a reaction of waking up they can hit you
Stay home?... I am not sure there is a fifth choice.
I am not sure there is a fifth choice.
Thats no option , my wife snores some times and I to (but thats not my problemStay home?
Hi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
IMO there are plenty of snorers who don't make quite the same effort to avoid sleeping in positions in which they know they snore and who could reduce the occurrences if they tried a little harder.
My ex*-wife once spent much of a night alternating between schemes of homicide and suicide while I relentlessly snored like a chainsaw, face-down into a pillow.
The only thing that stopped my snoring was my gently purring CPAP machine, which arrived after the marriage and after a diagnosis of sleep apnea.
I too am a snorer although in last years on less walked Caminos people didn't really complain about it. But I do have a technique of my own how to fall asleep (I'm the last one to go to bed usually as I don't need much sleep, I sleep like a log):I have lived with a snorer for 30 years (we try to stay in private rooms to avoid disturbing others). I do not use ear plugs, but I have learned not to focus on the snoring. Let it go, accept it, and think about something else. It helps to have a list of something to try to recite in your head - I use constitutional amendments, but memorizing all of the villages along the Camino and how to pronounce their names is another way to distract your mind from focusing on the noise. Good luck and Buen Camino.
I know I sometimes snore, especially when I am tired, which is probably every night on the Camino. For my second Camino I started trying to book private rooms in Pensions and hostels, and to avoid the "Bed Race" I would book many of these options months ahead of time. It is more expensive, but for me, you can't put a value on a good night's sleep and I don't want to be "that guy" that is snoring, who prevents others from getting a good night's sleep.
The only time I've been kept awake by snorers is when I allowed annoyance about the noise to take over. There have been many other nights of noise, but good humor is the best sleep aid.Snoring is in the category of things you cannot control. What you can control is your reaction to it. Accept it. Use earplugs. Get a private room. Get a tent and sleep outdoors. I am not sure there is a fifth choice.
Deb you should put up this post as a resource. No kidding. Or make it a sticky.Good luck--- and get some sleep!
The only time I've been kept awake by snorers is when I allowed annoyance about the noise to take over. There have been many other nights of noise, but good humor is the best sleep aid.
Deb you should put up this post as a resource. No kidding. Or make it a sticky.
One of my travelling companions used to shine a little torch at the snorer. Didn't wake them up but usually made them turn over. One memorable night he tried this trick on a very large gent sleeping only in a tiny pair of undies. The gent did indeed roll oved baring a large expanse of his behind and letting out a massive fart in the process!
Thank you, @CaminoDebrita. These are the kindest words I've read in a long time. I snore, occasionally, whether I am on my back, front, side, and probably upside down, and I'm mortified at the thought of persons speaking about me behind my back.......Gossiping about, and leaving snorers out of meals and happy times, is a meanness that has no place on Camino. Be kind.........
Very good post! Most of us snore sometimes, and it is very difficult to stay put on one's side. For the camino I put a pocket in the back of my sleeping pants, mainly for money pouch at night, but I have also tried to keep something bulkier in it to encourage me to stay on my side. However, it probably doesn't always work.We have discussed this previously (can you believe it?).
A few items that others have mentioned:
1. Put a tennis ball in a bum bag you wear around your waist, with tennis ball on back. When you roll onto your bag, a major snoring position, the tennis ball will alert you to get back on your side!
2. Accept the sound. Instead of reacting with anger, make practice out of it. Focus on it. Count the snores like you count sheep (snoring sheep?).
3. Don't be THAT person who tries to sanitize the albergue experience into 50 trim 20-year-olds who never snore. You are living in a community of snoring, farting, coughing, giggling people. This is the dance of life! It's part of why albergues are very inexpensive. Want privacy? Pay for it.
4. Earplugs! wine! Go to sleep earlier than everyone!
And, of course, as has been mentioned, if you have an olympic snoring machine, do try to figure out where he or she is sleeping, and steer clear. Gossiping about, and leaving snorers out of meals and happy times, is a meanness that has no place on Camino. Be kind, and remember: he who criticizes snorers probably snores himself! (or herself).
Good luck--- and get some sleep!
Many have suggested earplugs, which might work for you. They don't work well for me. When I wear earplugs I hear my blood pulsing, which drives me to distraction. What works for me is wearing earbuds and playing white noise from my iPhone. I wear a buff to keep the earbuds in place. One night in Najera, this saved me from a night of no sleep from the freight train snoring away in the bed near me. The issue is that you've got to have enough power on your iPhone, or access to a power outlet, to make this work.Hi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
Reading your post got me to another way of reducing the impact of fellow pilgrims snoring. Try to feel your pulse on the wrist (the neck might work too) with the fingers of your other hand. Concentrating on it and breathing in the rhythm of your own heart pumping will surely get you to sleep very soon! Just enjoy your heartbeat, that's you, you knowMany have suggested earplugs, which might work for you. They don't work well for me. When I wear earplugs I hear my blood pulsing, which drives me to distraction. What works for me is wearing earbuds and playing white noise from my iPhone. I wear a buff to keep the earbuds in place. One night in Najera, this saved me from a night of no sleep from the freight train snoring away in the bed near me. The issue is that you've got to have enough power on your iPhone, or access to a power outlet, to make this work.
I have sleep apnea too and take a very small, portable CPAP machine (2.1 kg!) and it works a treat on me!I have sleep apnea and snoring for years has effected my wife's sleep. After on night in an albergue my wife said she wouldn't complain because a lady kept me awake with her snoring and my wife said, my snoring was like a kitten purring comparatively. Good ear plugs are the best. Beware ! Our next Camino is October 2018. Bring your ear plugs.
If you are disturbed by someone snoring, it is your problem not theirs. I'm pretty sure they are not doing it on purpose.
As has already been suggested, wear earplugs, or if you recognize them, make sure your bed is as far away as possible.
Hi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
Comparing snorers to cyclists is a really bad analogy.And if you get scared half to death by a cyclist whizzing past you on the Camino that is your problem not theirs... I'd like to see the reaction to someone suggesting that!!
Of course, in reality, and in both situations a little bit of understanding and effort by people on both 'sides' can go a long way. Those trying to sleep wearing ear plugs to reduce any impact snoring might have - thereby helping to reduce snorer 'stigma' - and snorers doing what they can (if they can) to reduce the likelihood of them snoring. It's a shame to think that anyone feels the need to sleep in a private room either because they can't sleep through snoring or because they think their snoring would keep others awake.
I agree that nobody snores on purpose but some people (I'm not saying all) can reduce the chances of it happening - on a nightly basis, I'm not talking lifestyle changes. That's pretty much all I would ask. If you can, do, if you can't, sweet dreams!
Hi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
Hi Robey, I walked the way of St James in 2015, I am a prolific snorer, I tried all sorts of devices to stop it too no avail, people used to wake me up and I would turn over, in some cases I moved to another area to let people get some sleep, however, I have to say I myself spent sleepless nights at the mercy of another snorer, I think it just goes with the camino. Have you tried ear plugs, a recommended piece of kit for your backpack. Buen CaminoHi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
Hi, I am a light sleeper and knew I could never sleep within earshot of a snorer. My solution was to invest in a pair of Bose Noise Cancelling Ear phones. They are brilliant, totally block out ALL sound, great on a plane (no engine drone) and you can listen to movies and music through them. The down side is they are quite expensive but to me they are worth every cent! Have used them a lot.Hi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
Best reply so far, but then I will be the Snorer!Prepare by prior adequate consumption of vinto tinto or cognac
This is so interesting! We walked in May. Our fistHi all, this is my first Camino, and last night was my first night in an Albergue, (Presado) what is the form on people who snore?
The large chap in the bunk next to me was fair rattling the windows, kept me and others awake, does one attempt to wake said snorer up, or grit ones teeth?
Have many people been found smothered in albergues?
Please pass on your thoughts,
Yours sleepless,
Robey
@lunna, I predict you are not going to win this one. On this forum the balance is seldom in favour of those who complain about the snorers. I will be going to bed shortly and will be turning on my snoring app. Sometimes I snore (and loudly) and sometimes I don't snore at all. I have no idea why I do sometimes, or why I don't.Earplugs don’t work, but sorry, I go out of my way not to disturb others (even waiting until everyone is awake to start packing). If you know you snore - and particularly if you know you snore loudly - then you are imposing on others - the easy solution is for the snorer to pay a bit more and find a place where he or she won’t bother anyone, rather than for us nonsnorersto gave to go out and do so.
PS - when I say ‘you, ‘ I don’t mean you in particular / I’m referring to snorers in general.
Again, sorry, but I find most snorers, even if most are otherwise nice persons, selfish if they are aware they are bothering others - and most are aware of it.
@lunna, I predict you are not going to win this one. On this forum the balance is seldom in favour of those who complain about the snorers. I will be going to bed shortly and will be turning on my snoring app. Sometimes I snore (and loudly) and sometimes I don't snore at all. I have no idea why I do sometimes, or why I don't.
But feel free to vent.
That also is an option for persons who cannot stand snorers!I think they have a responsibility to find some means not to bother others with it - and if they can't, then they ought to spend the money and find a hostal to sleep
Yep, and that is precisely what’s unfair - the knowing culprits come out on top. But then, whoever said life is fair (sigh).That also is an option for persons who cannot stand snorers!
@lunna everyone snores sometimes. You too. There are some who have a real problem, but it is not their fault. It is a disability, like any other disability. Making someone feel bad about it is just mean.
As a very, very experienced hospitalero told me - snoring is normal in an albergue and if someone can't cope with snoring, then it is up to them to go find a private room.
Yes, it is your problem, therefore you need to find a solution that you can implement. You cannot make me stop snoring or move to private accommodations. You can wear earplugs or move to private accommodations. You can do only those things you can do!My point is not that the occasional snorer is a problem - my problem is with the snorer who knows he or she snores
I've enjoyed my read this morning.
They sleep in separate rooms!By the way, I've taken an hospitalero course, but am worried how I will manage if I snore. Are there hospitaleros who snore?
I did, thank you! But I believe at one point my snoring woke me. I suspect this because my app tells me round about the time I woke up my snoring was at 'epic.' The rest of the time I was sleeping soundlessly.Hope you had a good night’s sleep!.
And that is a guarantee that those in adjacent rooms are not going to affected??!! Please let me disabuse you of that notion. (Unless they be soundproof rooms, which I doubt is the case.)They sleep in separate rooms!
I recommend you don’t go anywhere near your neighbors this morning!I did, thank you! But I believe at one point my snoring woke me. I suspect this because my app tells me round about the time I woke up my snoring was at 'epic.' The rest of the time I was sleeping soundlessly.
I did, thank you! But I believe at one point my snoring woke me. I suspect this because my app tells me round about the time I woke up my snoring was at 'epic.' The rest of the time I was sleeping soundlessly.
At least it’s mitigated!And that is a guarantee that those in adjacent rooms are not going to affected??!! Please let me disabuse you of that notion. (Unless they be soundproof rooms, which I doubt is the case.)
As a fellow NY’er, I totally disagree! But at least you - unlike I - can take advantage of the cheaper rents for apartments located right under the El!Totally selfish statement: I sleep like the dead; snoring bothers me not at all.
Snorers: snore on!
I am not a medical person, but as far as I know from experience: (a) snoring is involuntary, (b) snoring is quite natural, and (c) snoring is quite common. Therefore, if one chooses to sleep in a communal setting, snoring should be expected. If one does not want to be bothered by it, I feel the onus is on that person to find alternative accommodation. Although I am a snorer myself, I would also say that listening to others is not a very pleasant experience. That is why I almost always stick to private rooms. That way I only have myself and my travelling companions to worry about.
Ahhh... I think I can finally see the crux of the problem... people who think paying 7 euros for accommodation gives them any 'rights' of any kind. Not only can you expect not to get a good nights sleep because of snoring but you can add to the list, poor mattresses, squeeky bunkbeds, no pillows, no sheets, no blankets, people talking loudly until late night/early morning, little or no heat/air conditioning, noxious gases emitted after too many tapas and wine, no hot water, no water, electricity, wifi, no toilet paper and the list can go on and on. This is a Pilgrimage and to think that people would even consider (just mentally, hopefully) violence against another Pilgrim because of something so mundane and trivial as snoring... well, that's just sad really.as if snorers are the only ones who have a right to a good night's sleep...
Ahhh... I think I can finally see the crux of the problem... people who think paying 7 euros for accommodation gives them any 'rights' of any kind. Not only can you expect not to get a good nights sleep because of snoring but you can add to the list, poor mattresses, squeeky bunkbeds, no pillows, no sheets, no blankets, people talking loudly until late night/early morning, little or no heat/air conditioning, noxious gases emitted after too many tapas and wine, no hot water, no water, electricity, wifi, no toilet paper and the list can go on and on. This is a Pilgrimage and to think that people would even consider (just mentally, hopefully) violence against another Pilgrim because of something so mundane and trivial as snoring... well, that's just sad really.
Snore on, Snoreres... Snore on!!
not very Christian making snorers go elsewhere! some times it's hard enough to find accommodation without having to undergo a medical to assess whether or not you snore! and where will it all end!? people who need to go to the loo during the night!@lunna, I predict you are not going to win this one. On this forum the balance is seldom in favour of those who complain about the snorers. I will be going to bed shortly and will be turning on my snoring app. Sometimes I snore (and loudly) and sometimes I don't snore at all. I have no idea why I do sometimes, or why I don't.
But feel free to vent.
As a fellow NY’er, I totally disagree! But at least you - unlike I - can take advantage of the cheaper rents for apartments located right under the El!
Lol. I’ve been told on good authority by several folks that I almost never snore though when I have a stuffy nose I sniff shortly and quietly. No train I. And they’s the ones I’m talking about.lunna, have you ever checked to see if you snore? Many people who think that they don't snore do. As others have mentioned, you can get an app that an tell you if yousnore.
not very Christian making snorers go elsewhere! some times it's hard enough to find accommodation without having to undergo a medical to assess whether or not you snore! and where will it all end!? people who need to go to the loo during the night!
Ive done the same, but I can’t afford the 30 euro rooms every night!Good conversation. Here is the deal [from my side of the house]. I could not sleep well in those 5-10 Euros albergues, so, I went with the 35-40 Euros private rooms hoping for a good night of sleep [and still could NOT sleep well] . . . at the end I just went back to the 5-10 Euros albergues with the rest of my peregrino friends! Good luck y que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.
Me too. Sleep like the dead. Once I slept right through a massive argument between the young French woman from the bunk above mine and an Italian fellow who objected to her lengthy showering after 10 pm with her radio blaring. Apparently it was a humdinger of an argument complete with much gaelic and latin hand gestures, lots of passion, righteous indignation, and raised voices. I’m still sorry I missed it!Totally selfish statement: I sleep like the dead; snoring bothers me not at all.
Snorers: snore on!
At the end of the day those 30+ Euro rooms did not make any difference, I was not able to sleep anyway! Thanks for reading, y que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.Ive done the same, but I can’t afford the 30 euro rooms every night!
I am puzzled. The linked article didn't say that at all! It included those 3 possible causes, along with several others, and never said anything about which ones were more common causes than others.According to http://ohealthyeah.com/how-to-stop-snoring/ the 3 main reasons for snoring are: being overweight, smoking and drinking alcohol
My thoughts? In for a penny, in for a pound. Hope you had a good Camino in spite of your murderous feelings.
Triple like, @falcon269 !If one wants to be irritated, there is no shortage of things to be irritated about everywhere in life! Each of us can be as miserable as he chooses.
OMG, I was reading a few articles at the same time and copied the wrong one. (Edited the comment)I am puzzled. The linked article didn't say that at all! It included those 3 possible causes, along with several others, and never said anything about which ones were more common causes than others.
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