danielle aird
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Besides, I'm not yet convinced there will be hordes of pilgrims.
I agree. I think it's pretty clear that no month in 2021 will have more pilgrims than the same month in 2019.I think “hordes” are highly unlikely in 2021.
Depending on the odds you're offering, I might be willing to bet €10 that at least one month in 2021 will have more pilgrims than the corresponding month had in 2019.I agree. I think it's pretty clear that no month in 2021 will have more pilgrims than the same month in 2019.
Depending on the odds you're offering, I might be willing to bet €10 that at least one month in 2021 will have more pilgrims than the corresponding month had in 2019.
So ... Who's taking bets?
For sure. I think I might lose it. That's what makes it a gamble, see?I think you might lose that one
I was thinking more about summer and autumn. Sure, it might happen in one of those off-season months but that won’t impact the OP’s concerns about accommodation. Interesting prediction game though!To put this another way without the distasteful gambling references ... In which month of which year do you predict that pilgrim numbers will first exceed the corresponding month in 2019?
Don’t forget in all these deliberations that, in previous Jacobean Holy Years, the increase in the number of Compostelas was driven mainly by walker pilgrims from Spain and mainly in those parts of the caminos that are closest to Santiago. 2021 may be similar.
During the last Holy Year in 2010, there was an 87 per cent increase in the number of pilgrims who received a compostela in Santiago (272,135) compared with the year before (145,877), including a 138 per cent increase in Spanish pilgrims.
Keeping my fingers crossed for October. A tent, I don't think so. On my first camino I stopped in Grannon. A pilgrim and Brierley both mentioned the wonderful donative there so I was excited to stay there and share the experience. Especially one of the biggest treats to me on any pilgrimage. The communal meal. I was met by just a wonderful woman who welcomed me with open arms. We talked and finally walked up to the sleeping area where I saw the dreaded mats. (Dreaded for me at least). I told her with a little sadness that there is no way I could sleep on one of those mats and than not need a sherpa to carry me tomorrow. She laughed and said she understood. It really kind of sucked because I am sure that place is every bit as special as everyone says. So if I am not staying there I am for sure not sleeping in a tent!!!!! Buen Camino to all you tough Pilgrims out there!I think “hordes” are highly unlikely in 2021. There may well be large numbers of aspirants but international air travel is going to be the drooping tail on a very long dog. Vaccination programs in many countries have scarcely commenced. There is nothing but fluff on who might be permitted to do what, with which and to whom. Cyprus has offered to open its borders to Brits who can prove they’ve been vaccinated, but without any suggestion as to how said status can be evidenced. The Spanish Prime Minister has suggested that Spain might, note might, be open to tourists (vaccination status unspecified) in late summer subject to other, unspecified, controls and restrictions. I could bang on but I won’t.
Hordes, unlikely. Plans, also unlikely except perhaps in Galicia where the Tourismo always have one eye on the Camino. A tent? Type “camping” into the forum search facility.
Buen Camino: when we finally get there...
Or as John Lennon once said so succinctly; "You know, you know, you never know, you know.As there is no overall Camino authority, I'd say that the answer to your questions is "it depends
I think you have given some excellent comments here. I was wondering where you got the information that it is usually about 2 months before a person can return to work.a word of caution about what we are seeing here, in the Netherlands. it may be different for Spain and Portugal of course. but still. what we are seeing here is that many people are not keen at all to work in jobs that put them in contact with lots of passers-by. the hospitality sector comes to mind, many restaurants and bars expect having trouble filling vacancies, despite the labour market. the level of sick leave in transportation and logistics is high, especially among those who deliver parcels at home. it generally takes 2 months before a person infected with COVID is able to return to work.
it will take a lot of effort to make the system work again for everyone involved.
I think you have given some excellent comments here. I was wondering where you got the information that it is usually about 2 months before a person can return to work.
I was just reading this from the United States Center for Disease Control regarding this matter.
I am always interested in reading other sources to see what other medical opinions or studies have shown.
Here are the guidelines from the CDC and they are "general" also depending of course how serious your COVID virus was.
COVID-19 and Your Health
Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.www.cdc.gov
I get a flu shot every year, I won't mind getting a Covid booster every year if necessary.My biggest fear is to bee forced to await new vaccines , who effectively fights new variants , in a successive and repetitive manner.
Thanks so much for this information and clarification. My number one reason that I didn’t state earlier is I am worried because I have both of my daughters working part time on restaurants to supplement their incomes. It worries me to no end. Appreciate greatly your detailed answerThis was said on radio by a spokesman from the logistics industry who spoke about a spike in the duration of sick leave in his sector. Not an official statistic, or maybe not yet. It was worrying information, since a big part of the economy depends on parcels being sent and delivered. We are used to having to wait longer, because there are so many parcels. Now the next bottleneck remains invisible to most: the lack of people to do the work.
The info from the health authorities here is mainly about number of tests, number of persons infected, persons admitted to IC and deaths from COVID.
Little attention is being paid to those who fall ill and stay at home. Among those, some suffer little or no symptoms, but others become seriously ill and remain ill and tired for a long time. Their illness is called 'mild', not because it is necessarily mild, but because they do not quite meet the threshold for hospitalization.
Re your link I see that your government is studying long time illness and long term effects too
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
An ongoing flood of pilgrims will be every health authority's nightmare with for instance albergues as hotspots for infection.
2020 will have cut a swathe through the accommodation provided along the Camino. On this site we have seen many reports of Albergues, public, private and Church run, all being forced to close. It is completely unrealistic to expect that they will all spring back up and re-open. Accordingly I believe that the answer to your question is a resounding NO. Historically Spain is not as relaxed as France about people just erecting tents on their land.Does anyone know if there will be more accommodation planned for the horde of pilgrims that will arrive when the Camino opens? Everybody I talk to wants to go back asap including me. With this being a holy year and with all of us who have not been able to walk the Camino this last year, I wonder if there will be sufficient beds. Is anyone thinking of taking a small tent? Will there be places where we can pitch such a tent and use bathroom facilities, even if just a loo?
Does anyone know if there will be more accommodation planned for the horde of pilgrims that will arrive when the Camino opens? Everybody I talk to wants to go back asap including me. With this being a holy year and with all of us who have not been able to walk the Camino this last year, I wonder if there will be sufficient beds. Is anyone thinking of taking a small tent? Will there be places where we can pitch such a tent and use bathroom facilities, even if just a loo?
Keeping my fingers crossed for October. A tent, I don't think so. On my first camino I stopped in Grannon. A pilgrim and Brierley both mentioned the wonderful donative there so I was excited to stay there and share the experience. Especially one of the biggest treats to me on any pilgrimage. The communal meal. I was met by just a wonderful woman who welcomed me with open arms. We talked and finally walked up to the sleeping area where I saw the dreaded mats. (Dreaded for me at least). I told her with a little sadness that there is no way I could sleep on one of those mats and than not need a sherpa to carry me tomorrow. She laughed and said she understood. It really kind of sucked because I am sure that place is every bit as special as everyone says. So if I am not staying there I am for sure not sleeping in a tent!!!!! Buen Camino to all you tough Pilgrims out there!
I suspect at best there will be the same number or less beds if additional space distancing will be required between beds in communal facilities…Does anyone know if there will be more accommodation planned for the horde of pilgrims that will arrive when the Camino opens? Everybody I talk to wants to go back asap including me. With this being a holy year and with all of us who have not been able to walk the Camino this last year, I wonder if there will be sufficient beds. Is anyone thinking of taking a small tent? Will there be places where we can pitch such a tent and use bathroom facilities, even if just a loo?
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