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I am sorry you feel that way, and hope you will return, soon.Sadly after more than 5 years as a Forum member I feel it time to say "goodbye". The comments on some threads are becoming more and more bitter and divisive and are not, I feel, in line with the original ethos of the forum - "Where past pilgrims share, and future pilgrims learn". Most of my thoughts and observations are already around somewhere on the threads and as a favour to my equanimity (and bloodpressure!) I feel it time to withdraw, although I may 'log in' again at some point in the future.
With my Blessing on all pilgrims past and present
TerryB
aka Tio Tel
I heartily agree with this Johnnie Walker.....well said.We should all learn the lesson from this - and hope that Terry comes back again
......... sometimes the posts can be very close to the bone & I often wonder why Rule 3 isn't enforced by the Moderators.........some can be offensive & personal!!...............Vicrev
Sadly after more than 5 years as a Forum member I feel it time to say "goodbye". The comments on some threads are becoming more and more bitter and divisive and are not, I feel, in line with the original ethos of the forum - "Where past pilgrims share, and future pilgrims learn". Most of my thoughts and observations are already around somewhere on the threads and as a favour to my equanimity (and bloodpressure!) I feel it time to withdraw, although I may 'log in' again at some point in the future.
With my Blessing on all pilgrims past and present
TerryB
aka Tio Tel
I have always thought the best thing is not have as little moderation as possible since "we are all grown ups", right?
Ivar
Don't let the bad ones chase you away. The good ones are generally in the greater number.
I deal with this by simply avoiding the threads posted by the bad apples.
Sadly after more than 5 years as a Forum member I feel it time to say "goodbye". The comments on some threads are becoming more and more bitter and divisive and are not, I feel, in line with the original ethos of the forum - "Where past pilgrims share, and future pilgrims learn". Most of my thoughts and observations are already around somewhere on the threads and as a favour to my equanimity (and bloodpressure!) I feel it time to withdraw, although I may 'log in' again at some point in the future.
With my Blessing on all pilgrims past and present
TerryB
aka Tio Tel
The offensive comments are there. I don't think it would serve any useful purpose to reprint them and start pointing fingers.I appear to be a voice in the wilderness here, but I don't understand what the OP is talking about. I haven't noticed particular bitterness or personal attacks on this forum, other than a little gentle nudging when somebody, usually in the throes of pre-trip anxiety, is getting overly excited about some imagined hardship to come. I personally view that kind of response as helpful and grounding.
I would appreciate specific examples of a comment that is overly personal or bitter. I don't think they are out there, at least during my time on this forum (the last four months).
My opinion is that Ivar is doing a good job of moderating this forum and any further stifling of discussion would be counterproductive.
Hola Ivar - maybe one of the philosophies, or forum rules, should be "think twice" before you post. We (and here I include myself) often get too involved in the moment and forget that others might not understand what you are saying, or intended to say. For many of our pilgrim posters English is not their first language - it could be their third or even fourth. So I for one will definitely think twice - maybe leave it 24 hours - before posting a response that I disagree with.I am sorry to hear this. Thank you for all your contributions, and I hope to see you both back some time soon.
What can we do to make this forum place a better place? Ideas and suggestions are welcomed.
I have always thought the best thing is not have as little moderation as possible since "we are all grown ups", right? We could get stricter and ban users/delete posts more actively...
I have on my to-do list writing new forum rules, and I would also like to ask for volunteers to be moderators. Please get in touch by "Private Conversation" if you would like to be a moderator.
Greetings from a rainy day in Santiago,
Ivar
Ivar, one of the things I stipulate on my blog is that people don't hide behind user-names. I find that the anonymity of user-names on a forum or blog allows some people to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say if we knew who they were. If things were more transparent.I am sorry to hear this. Thank you for all your contributions, and I hope to see you both back some time soon.
What can we do to make this forum place a better place? Ideas and suggestions are welcomed.
I have always thought the best thing is not have as little moderation as possible since "we are all grown ups", right? We could get stricter and ban users/delete posts more actively...I have on my to-do list writing new forum rules. Ivar
[quote="Houlet, post: 167621, member: 29649"
IMHO there are two major contributors to problems with electronic communications, firstly some writers are more aggressive in this medium, and secondly some readers can perceive aggression where none was intended.
I think we all need to consider both what we write as well as our interpretation of what others have written
I agree with this statement completely. If I have been guilty of the first part, I apologise wholeheartedly, and I would say I am sometimes guilty of the second part.IMHO there are two major contributors to problems with electronic communications, firstly some writers are more aggressive in this medium, and secondly some readers can perceive aggression where none was intended.
sometimes the posts can be very close to the bone & I often wonder why Rule 3 isn't enforced by the Moderators.
The paradox, Bill, is that is easier to tell if someone is really using a made up name than it is to tell if someone if falsely using a real name.Ivar, one of the things I stipulate on my blog is that people don't hide behind user-names. I find that the anonymity of user-names on a forum or blog allows some people to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say if we knew who they were. If things were more transparent.
Your forum is so big now, it's probably not possible - but I do feel it's the mask of a user-name that makes some people feel they can say whatever they like, without accountability.
Bill
(You'll notice my user name is my name, along with my country (billbennettoz) - and I always sign off with my name. I stand by all that I write.)
No way would I give my real name,in an open forum,& am speaking from experience,I did once & had all sorts of harassment issues..........just not worth it as far as I'm concerned.....................keep smiling.......Vicrev
Yep, there is some dumb and useless stuff on this forum. I ignore a lot of it as I believe folks need to either do their own research or be a pilgrim and accept that we don't know something in advance. I had no idea what I was getting into when I set out and I was just fine. I learned as I went and I got a whole lot more to learn. I can hardly wait. Maybe you take it too seriously... Oh well, sorry to see you go...
Thanks David!...I really appreciate the tho't!If this forum had an annual reward system then as far as I am concerned Pattii's post (above) would receive post of the year, if not the decade.
Bless you Pattii
Buen Camino
David
I personally think your post should have been started with "In my humble opinion". I don't think any question is ever stupid if the person asking is genuinely wanting to know. As far as doing ones own research is that not what this forum is for?...to find out more?...is that not research? Not every one is brave enough to set out into the unknown without a plan or a clue or all their ducks in a row. For some not taking a GPS or a phone is a massive leap of faith and good on them! And for some like me who was so adamant about NOT taking one the forum has been eye opening for me and my lesson is that those who HAVE walked it indeed know more about it than me. THAT is why we come to the forum. At least thats why I come here.Yep, there is some dumb and useless stuff on this forum. I ignore a lot of it as I believe folks need to either do their own research or be a pilgrim and accept that we don't know something in advance. I had no idea what I was getting into when I set out and I was just fine. I learned as I went and I got a whole lot more to learn. I can hardly wait. Maybe you take it too seriously... Oh well, sorry to see you go...
Whilst you find this the case "obinjatoo" the forum for me has been a blessing. It is a place to share and to learn. I learnt heaps and it certainly made a difference for me stepping into the unknown on the other side of the world and doing something that I had never done before.Yep, there is some dumb and useless stuff on this forum. I ignore a lot of it as I believe folks need to either do their own research or be a pilgrim and accept that we don't know something in advance. I had no idea what I was getting into when I set out and I was just fine. I learned as I went and I got a whole lot more to learn. I can hardly wait. Maybe you take it too seriously... Oh well, sorry to see you go...
Patti expressed some noble sentiments in this post. But when I see really heavyweight words like duty, obligation and responsibility dragged out, I wonder how practical this is in an on-line forum. Ivar and the moderators have a simple set of rules for the forum, and these three words don't appear anywhere in them. I don't mind people having noble aspirations, but I don't know how these would be moderated. In contrast, the current rules appear to me to be quite capable of being moderated.... The bottom line of any forum is that it is community. I have written this before in other posts. When one is in a community it is their obligation to look out for and consider the others that are in the community. We all have the responsibility of making sure we are not striking out in anger or trying to berate someone or letting our anger get the best of us. And we all have the responsibility to face each other directly if there is a problem. Communication ...think about that word then think about the word community. ...
Patti expressed some noble sentiments in this post. But when I see really heavyweight words like duty, obligation and responsibility dragged out, I wonder how practical this is in an on-line forum. Ivar and the moderators have a simple set of rules for the forum, and these three words don't appear anywhere in them. I don't mind people having noble aspirations, but I don't know how these would be moderated. In contrast, the current rules appear to me to be quite capable of being moderated.
Regards,
I will say this again...the Camino starts with where we are. These issues on the forum being worked out and figured out to benefit everyone is a lesson in community and in my opinion part of the Camino lesson
I could say exactly the same about your view. You don't seem to appreciate my concern that the extract that I quoted is not so much a request as a demand for a certain type of behaviour. If that behaviour is expected, then in an on-line forum it has to be moderated.I think that you are missing the point. IMHO she is not asking us, as moderators, but rather that we all, as members of this forum, do our utmost to make this a safe place for all.
I think I said that. You appear to be suggesting that I expressed a different view, which could be seen as mis-representing my point. Let me repeat what I said in my post so that it is clear - I don't mind people having noble aspirations.And heck, there is nothing wrong with having "noble aspirations"!
LTfit , I will decide what concerns me, thank you.stevejarvis: no reason to be concerned. And I too hope that members feel free enough to address their concerns with one another either publicly on the forum or in a PM to respective parties and/or moderators before deciding to leave. But that is ultimately their choice.
It would appear that we may have a different definition of "safe".
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