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You used words like "never" and made harsh statements that don't look behind the appearances. If those pilgrims prefer not to interact with you or others, why can't you leave them alone? I sometimes have my "nose in my phone" and have become quite self-conscious of people judging my attitude.I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
Your general sentiment is probably applicable to everyday life, not specifically on a camino - or walking holiday, as many see it.There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
Never seemed to slow ME down..........And no longer have teenage children to mortify.
Maybe we are not as fascinating and unique as we think!!!These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
Here's a thread that you might find illuminating
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/the-introverted-pilgrim.65949/
I walked my first two Caminos without a phone. Or internet access. I have taken a phone with me for my most recent journeys. It is a useful tool in many ways but I do not feel obliged to use it. Just as I do not feel obliged to be available for conversation with everyone I meet. The original post seemed to be suggesting that personal interaction with other pilgrims is part of the essential nature of a pilgrimage. Not my understanding. My early pilgrimage experience was mostly solitary and I still seek that type of journey. I often enjoy direct personal encounters with other pilgrims but I neither actively seek them out or expect them to be mine by right.I prefer the experience without the cellphone simply because I was not affected to the fact that I felt oblige to check it all the time and made a more close and concentrated Camino for me.
I wish I had taken more pictures with my cell phone and added a narrative at the moment the picture was taken. Also shared it at the same time with family back home on social media.There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
That raises other questions by itself. When mobile phones did not exist were there substantial numbers of people who were deterred from walking a long-distance pilgrimage or other remote travel because it put them out of 24/7 contact with home? Didn't occur to me as a factor at the time. My own suspicion is that such a 'need' has only been perceived by most of us since the technical ability to fulfil it has been available. You probably do not miss what you have never known.Iwantneed for my family to be able to reach me at any moment anywhere in the world.
Being available for my wife and sons is of utmost importance to me, so the lack of on-demand communication would have most likely prevented me from making a long-distance pilgrimage. Regarding your last statement, you are correct. My first Camino I used the Brierley guidebook, which was fine at the time. But, once I discovered the Wise Pilgrim/Wisely+ ap, there was no going back to the paperback book.That raises other questions by itself. When mobile phones did not exist were there substantial numbers of people who were deterred from walking a long-distance pilgrimage or other remote travel specifically because it put them out of 24/7 contact with home? Didn't occur to me as a factor at the time. My own suspicion is that such a 'need' has only been perceived by most of us since the technical ability to fulfill it has been available. You probably do not miss what you have never known.
And in fact some people are reading (electronic) books on their phones. Saves a lot of weight in the backpack vs carrying physical books.So if people want to use them in a restaurant, is it really so different to reading a boo
I think I must have got to that point, on previous caminos I have arrived at the start gone to the Albergue and kept myself to myself, then you usually make contacts over the next days or weeks. On my last one I arrived at the Albergue in Carrion de Los Condes at 6pm and then started to go through keeping myself to myself routine when I decided to walk to the center of the room and just introduced myself to the other 11- 12 pilgrims there, I ended up walking with them to Santiago, we are almost in daily contact, and 1 of them will be on Camino with me in April. What changed? Probably me giving a toss of thinking about what other people think of me, and for experienced Caminoists you all know that that you will end up making friendships anyway with people you had initial reservations about.Maybe I've reached the age where I'm fearless about being rejected
Absolutely true. But it is a generalization that has limited value in terms of understanding that person, and it is better just thought rather than spoken, for the following reasonIf people want to spend their time looking at their phones that's entirely up to them, but it does not mean that others cannot think that it's a monumental waste of time.
for experienced Caminoists you all know that that you will end up making friendships anyway with people you had initial reservations about.
We definitely aren'tMaybe we are not as fascinating and unique as we think!!!
There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
Ah, it comes a little clearer what you were thinking.Thank you all for your comments!
I am realizing that I am opening a can of worms here and this is really not what I want to do.
I also realize that my English level does not allowing me to explain myself correctly.
All this to say that I did 2 caminos without a cellphone and 1 with.
I prefer the experience without the cellphone simply because I was not affected to the fact that I felt oblige to check it all the time and made a more close and concentrated Camino for me.
Voila pour l'explication!
There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
The original post seemed to be suggesting that personal interaction with other pilgrims is part of the essential nature of a pilgrimage. Not my understanding. My early pilgrimage experience was mostly solitary and I still seek that type of journey. I often enjoy direct personal encounters with other pilgrims but I neither actively seek them out or expect them to be mine by right.
That raises other questions by itself. When mobile phones did not exist were there substantial numbers of people who were deterred from walking a long-distance pilgrimage or other remote travel because it put them out of 24/7 contact with home? Didn't occur to me as a factor at the time.
My own suspicion is that such a 'need' has only been perceived by most of us since the technical ability to fulfil it has been available. You probably do not miss what you have never known.
I find it better to have my nose in a cell phone than in other people's business. Just saying.
There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
I used to be bothered by cell phone users, but in this day and age, it's the easiest way for people to communicate, relieve stress, etc. and I don't focus on that anymore. I love using my cell for photos and checking in with my family. Let it go and focus on what you do instead. Look inward to make a change, not outward towards everyone else - make peace. Buen camino!There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
People tend to do whatever they do at home. Some people drink a lot. Actually a lot of people drink a lot, depending on season. Some people have their nose in the phone. Some people stress all along the Camino.
But they are all here to change and realize their patterns, not to be perfect pilgrims.
Best,
Andy
I think the perfect pilgrim carries a cell phone.perfect pilgrims
I find people that are in restaurants and bars using cell phones very annoying and they're all over the world. You cannot do anything about it.There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
In what way are the actually impacting you?I find people that are in restaurants and bars using cell phones very annoying and they're all over the world. You cannot do anything about it.
And even then, if they are sticking the thing in my way...At least if they're on their phone they're leaving you alone. I don't really care too much what others do as long as it doesn't involve a selfie stick.
I'm confused as to why this bothers you? Are they using your phone? Stealing your wifi? hmmm I travel solo and like to communicate with my family on breaks. If I want to talk to people, I pay attention to see if there are others who look like they are open to a chat. And that is a big IF I want to talk to people. I promise not to use your phone so my use of electronics doesn't bother you.There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
When I go out to a restaurant for a meal, I want to enjoy a conversation with my wife. People talking on cell phones next to me often get into loud conversations with either business or kids. Very distracting and inconsiderate. When I'm dining out and get a call on my cell, I take it outside the dining area.In what way are the actually impacting you?
I agree about the loud conservation. But I think that the original post here was not about people talking on their phones, but reading, texting, etc.When I go out to a restaurant for a meal, I want to enjoy a conversation with my wife. People talking on cell phones next to me often get into loud conversations with either business or kids. Very distracting and inconsiderate. When I'm dining out and get a call on my cell, I take it outside the dining area.
I hate that too. The best part of the Camino for me was NOT using my cell phone except to contact someone to meet up with. No Facebook. No email. No Whatsapp. It was heaven!There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
I'm happy you found the right approach for yourself. But let go of the hate.I hate that too. The best part of the Camino for me was NOT using my cell phone except to contact someone to meet up with. No Facebook. No email. No Whatsapp. It was heaven!
I agree that staying away from social media/email while on the Camino has made my last couple of walks even better. Took me awhile to figure this out. Being away from home and out of touch with any local news from home or international news is even better!I hate that too. The best part of the Camino for me was NOT using my cell phone except to contact someone to meet up with. No Facebook. No email. No Whatsapp. It was heaven!
There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
Books are great. They don't make noise and are wonderful. I applaud people who still read booksHi Jean Ti... can I just ask... would you be so bothered if I had my nose in a book? Or if I was looking at the photos on my camera? Or if I was simply engrossed say in some tourist information about the town or village? Are you bothered by these more traditional methods of personal distraction too... or is it only a cellphone?
Can I stress this isn’t a sarcastic question... I know the written word might appear that way... I am just curious ... would a paperback book cause as much distress?
Books are great. They don't make noise and are wonderful. I applaud people who still read books
I read books, they just happen to be on my Kindle or my phone. The words are the same, and trees don't have to be destroyed.Books are great. They don't make noise and are wonderful. I applaud people who still read books
I read books, they just happen to be on my Kindle or my phone. The words are the same, and trees don't have to be destroyed.
As long as the "cell phone pilgrim" doesn't bother me or other peregrinos what he or she does with the phone is not my business.There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
My phone doesn't make a noise either. It's always on silent.Books are great. They don't make noise and are wonderful. I applaud people who still read books
The one cell phone junkie that got my goat was a French businessman who spent much of the way into Sahagun shouting into his phone about "trois mille Euro".
...but not always.People talking on cell phones next to me often get into loud conversations with either business or kids. Very distracting and inconsiderate.
Oh. I had no idea.Paper is primarily made out of what would otherwise be burned as waste.
So a paper book actually has less effect on the environment than dealing with the battery in your Kindle/smart phone when it eventually fails.
There is something that is bothering me a lot on the Camino I have walk. It is the CELL PHONE Pilgrims!
These pilgrims never talk to others because there nose will be in the phone if lost!
In restaurants they have no contact with others because there noses are in there phones,!
Others carrying a GPS will have their nose in the phone if lost instead of asking a local for help!
Arriving at the albergue they are not talking to anyone because there noses are in there phone admiring their Selfies!!!!
I think this attitude is not good in a pilgrimage and should be avoided
It actually depends on how many books you read on your e-reader.Inconsiderate behavior can involve a cell phone:
...but not always.
Quiet phone use is hardly an intrusion.
Oh. I had no idea.
Sigh.
Very interesting! So far, most of my reading is still done on paper books from the library, which probably makes me very virtuous. I'm afraid I cannot justify my extensive phone usage by the number of books I read thereon. However, I'll keep that little fact handy for when it is usefulIt actually depends on how many books you read on your e-reader.Books vs ebooks: Protect the environment with this simple decision
When talking about the books vs ebooks debate, often you'll hear people say that ebooks and ereaders help protect the environment. Let's do the math for ourselves and see what the possible advantages of ebooks are over traditional books.theecoguide.org
I got my first Kindle about 10 years ago, and passed it on to my husband when I received a Paper White Kindle about 6 years ago. We are still using both devices, so I think that we have offset the manufacturing carbon costs. And of course reading books on the Kindle app on a phone that you have anyway seems pretty carbon neutral.Very interesting! So far, most of my reading is still done on paper books from the library, which probably makes me very virtuous. I'm afraid I cannot justify my extensive phone usage by the number of books I read thereon. However, I'll keep that little fact handy for when it is useful
paper is made primarily from forest waste. So the sawdust, off cuts from lumber operations are made into paper. This also includes most paper as used for folding or corrugated boxes.
They aren't whacking down trees and grinding them up to make paper. Paper is primarily made out of what would otherwise be burned as waste.
I read a book once, but I didn't like it...I applaud people who still read books
However the need is yours, not theirs, which is fine. What I object to is family members who seem to think that they have a right to be able to track me and contact me at any time they want.Iwantneed for my family to be able to reach me at any moment anywhere in the world.
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