GeauxWalking
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GeauxWalking,The Great Debate for Winter Camino: I am walking from Pamplona on 23/2/2022, and I am struggling to find the right pack size. I have a 40L and 60L, weight difference is 2.16lb. I really want to carry the 40L but having a hard time making it work with the added bulky clothes for the winter. Question: Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter. Mine is light and compact but it still takes up more room than I would like to spare. Thanks!
Thank you!GeauxWalking,
February can be very cold and in the past some albergues were not well heated or heated at all. Hence a sleeping bag was most welcome.
Heavy clothes are not necessary however but various layer combos are very useful.
Here are a kit list and tips
from the viewpoint of a woman who often walked in winter during happier times.
Happy planning!
You can get all of that in a 30L pack??!! Impressive. I have plenty of time to continue weeding down my contents. I feel like I am pretty much at minimum but I am sure I am notThank you!
What added bulky clothes are you thinking of? Two thin layers are more versatile that one thick one. I travel prepared for 3 seasons, with a 31L pack. For February, maybe I would add a second pair of gloves (or maybe waterproof mitts), a wool hat, another pair of socks, an additional light weight top layer, and some gaiters.the added bulky clothes for the winter.
Assuming you are planning to stay in albergues at least part of the time, yes! Many albergues are unheated. I carry a lightweight sleeping bag (actually down quilt inside a liner) all year.Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter.
We love to critique packing lists, if you dare to post yours!I feel like I am pretty much at minimum but I am sure I am not
Bulky items like Patagonia Micro Puff Jacket, long johns, more wintery cloths items. I also have a Helly Hanson outerlayer rain jacket. Maybe I don't need all of these...What added bulky clothes are you thinking of? Two thin layers are more versatile that one thick one. I travel prepared for 3 seasons, with a 31L pack. For February, maybe I would add a second pair of gloves (or maybe waterproof mitts), a wool hat, another pair of socks, an additional light weight top layer, and some gaiters.
Assuming you are planning to stay in albergues at least part of the time, yes! Many albergues are unheated. I carry a lightweight sleeping bag (actually down quilt inside a liner) all year.
Good advice. A couple of layers, a warm hat and waterproof shell clothing really should be adequate; reserving and double-bagging a comfortable complete change for the evening.I take long johns and an outer layer rain jacket in spring and fall, anyway. My point is that not many extra "wintery clothes" are needed, provided that your whole set of clothes is well chosen for layering. That's why one needs to consider the whole list to know if you need one particular additional item or not.
You can wear many layers at once, but probably won't need to do so while you are walking. In fact, you want to be able to shed layers as the weather changes. You should always be sure to keep one full and adequate dry layer to use in the albergue in the evening. If you have particularly bad weather one day, you can always choose to take a rest day.
How heavy/bulky is the HH jacket? It can be quite light if you put layers underneath, so that is better than packing a bulky jacket.
I may just need a compression bag.?
LOL...OK, I think I figured out my issue. I was packing EVERYTHING in my pack, including ALL of my clothes. oops forgot I would actually be wearing something! No wonder my 40L seemed small. When I took out what I would be wearing with 2nd outfit in the pack, things started to fit better. I also moved my sleeping bag to outside my backpack. I still need to decide on the HH Jacket. Its weight is I have a thing for jackets so may have to leave at least 1 behind. I adapted Ivar's packing list to ounces and pounds (US is metric dumb). Right now I am at 13.3lbs in pack. Few things to still wean down on but making progress. Appreciate the help!I take long johns and an outer layer rain jacket in spring and fall, anyway. My point is that not many extra "wintery clothes" are needed, provided that your whole set of clothes is well chosen for layering. That's why one needs to consider the whole list to know if you need one particular additional item or not.
You can wear many layers at once, but probably won't need to do so while you are walking. In fact, you want to be able to shed layers as the weather changes. You should always be sure to keep one full and adequate dry layer to use in the albergue in the evening. If you have particularly bad weather one day, you can always choose to take a rest day.
How heavy/bulky is the HH jacket? It can be quite light if you put layers underneath, so that is better than packing a bulky jacket.
I love a challenge! Don't double dog dareWe love to critique packing lists, if you dare to post yours!
Thank you. Great information! I live in New Orleans, USA so I am not terribly equipped for cold weather. There are few items that I may have to learn to live without (i.e. face cream, make up, hairbrush). So far the Camino is teaching me to let go of so called things I think I need...and that is a wonderful thing. Thank you again!Maybe this will give you an idea of what will work during your time on Camino. Below is a list of my "closet" that I carry in my pack. Besides it being used during my Caminos, it is about the same as what I used to thru hike the Pacific Crest Trail and the Colorado Trail (most of which sits above 9,000 feet / 2743 meters in elevation) into late fall. And for the thousands of other backpacking miles I have done.
The total weight is around 3.4 pounds.
- Pants -- REI, Classic Sahara Convertible, Zip-Off Legs
- Baselayer Top -- Smartwool, Lightweight, Long-Sleeve x 1
- Baselayer Bottom - Smartwool, Lightweight
- Hat - wool beanie
- Windshell Jacket - Patagonia, Houdini
- Insulating Layer -- Mountain Hardwear, Ghost Whisperer Vest
- Socks -- Smartwool Phd, Crew, Light Padding x 3
- Extra insoles x 1
- Poncho --- Frogg Toggs
- Gloves -- North Face, polartec
For the potential of February temperatures dipping into the 20's in the early mornings and at night at the higher elevations, I would add:
Mid-weight full zip fleece jacket
Wool Scarf
Insulated Hood
The additional weight would add about 17 more ounces. With my clothing, a 35F rated sleeping quilt, and the rest of my gear, it fits comfortably inside my Gossamer Gear Gorilla 40L backpack with plenty of room to spare.
The clothing that I wear usually consists of running shorts, and a long sleeved synthetic and lightweight shirt. If it is chilly out, my baselayer bottoms go underneath the shorts or I wear the pants, instead.
All of the clothing can be used in various layering configurations to provide a comfort range from 25F to very hot. This is just an example of how a layering system can be flexible and cover a wide temperature range which is more than sufficient for the time of year you are going, including up thru O Cebreiro and into Galicia.
face cream, make up, hairbrush
I also moved my sleeping bag to outside my backpack.
I have a thing for jackets so may have to leave at least 1 behind
If you live in New Orleans you may have an unduly pessimistic view of how cold it would be in Spain in winter. When at high level (Foncebadon, O’Ceb and their environs) there could be snow on the ground in January/February. Otherwise it’ll probably not be what most would call ‘cold’. It will most probably be what many would call ‘wet’,Thank you. Great information! I live in New Orleans, USA so I am not terribly equipped for cold weather. There are few items that I may have to learn to live without (i.e. face cream, make up, hairbrush). So far the Camino is teaching me to let go of so called things I think I need...and that is a wonderful thing. Thank you again!
I love a challenge! Don't double dog dare...Here it is as of today...a work in progress. note: in oz and lbs.
Thank you. Great information! I live in New Orleans, USA so I am not terribly equipped for cold weather. There are few items that I may have to learn to live without (i.e. face cream, make up, hairbrush). So far the Camino is teaching me to let go of so called things I think I need...and that is a wonderful thing. Thank you again!
Tell me more about this sleeping bag that only weighs 8.8 ounces!LOL...OK, I think I figured out my issue. I was packing EVERYTHING in my pack, including ALL of my clothes. oops forgot I would actually be wearing something! No wonder my 40L seemed small. When I took out what I would be wearing with 2nd outfit in the pack, things started to fit better. I also moved my sleeping bag to outside my backpack. I still need to decide on the HH Jacket. Its weight is I have a thing for jackets so may have to leave at least 1 behind. I adapted Ivar's packing list to ounces and pounds (US is metric dumb). Right now I am at 13.3lbs in pack. Few things to still wean down on but making progress. Appreciate the help!
I think that I answered my own question by going to the product page - you are listing the weight of the fill, not the overall weight of the sleeping bag, which is 1 lb. 4 ounces.Tell me more about this sleeping bag that only weighs 8.8 ounces!
I walked Jan-Feb 2017 and definitely needed a good sleeping bag. Some of the albergues had no heating. When I got to O Cebriero there was no electricity so no heating or lighting or hot water. Better toThe Great Debate for Winter Camino: I am walking from Pamplona on 23/2/2022, and I am struggling to find the right pack size. I have a 40L and 60L, weight difference is 2.16lb. I really want to carry the 40L but having a hard time making it work with the added bulky clothes for the winter. Question: Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter. Mine is light and compact but it still takes up more room than I would like to spare. Thanks!
The Great Debate for Winter Camino: I am walking from Pamplona on 23/2/2022, and I am struggling to find the right pack size. I have a 40L and 60L, weight difference is 2.16lb. I really want to carry the 40L but having a hard time making it work with the added bulky clothes for the winter. Question: Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter. Mine is light and compact but it still takes up more room than I would like to spare. Thanks!
Merino wool layers! Very, very light weight, dry quickly, & easy to pack. It’s not inexpensive. Carried 1 light weight fleece zip up layer that I wore daily, which was very inexpensive, and found wool socks to be the thing I packed extra of. Again, Buen Camino!The Great Debate for Winter Camino: I am walking from Pamplona on 23/2/2022, and I am struggling to find the right pack size. I have a 40L and 60L, weight difference is 2.16lb. I really want to carry the 40L but having a hard time making it work with the added bulky clothes for the winter. Question: Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter. Mine is light and compact but it still takes up more room than I would like to spare. Thanks!
I would just like to add that you have received some really great advice here form very experienced pilgrims, C CLeary, davebugg, Trecile, Camino Chrissy to name a few. I think it is important for you to have a realistic idea of your cold tolerance. I would just add that i walked in temperatures in the 20's with wind and slush and snow, well in lots of foul conditions. If you keep your head, neck, hands and feet warm you will be fine. A good buff to wear over your beanie that can cover your face, neck and add another layer on your head does the trick every time. I strarted out cold many mornings. Walking on the Meseta or the northern coast in the driving rain or in snow and wind in Galicia. I can tell you in the cold I learned pretty quickly to judge how quickly I warmed up. Early on I would always have to stop after 10 or 15 minutes because even in those cold temperatures I was getting hot. So I wore a little less and was a little colder for a few minutes knowing i would warm pretty quickly.The Great Debate for Winter Camino: I am walking from Pamplona on 23/2/2022, and I am struggling to find the right pack size. I have a 40L and 60L, weight difference is 2.16lb. I really want to carry the 40L but having a hard time making it work with the added bulky clothes for the winter. Question: Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter. Mine is light and compact but it still takes up more room than I would like to spare. Thanks!
I noticed an abundance of water containers on the list!An empty 'gatoraide' quart jar weighs 1.7oz. With another jar for a backup, its 3.4oz, less than the quart nalgene bottle.
Wonderful to learn you're from NOLA! I assumed you were somewhere in southern Louisiana because of your use of "Geaux". I live in the greater New Orleans area. Enjoy your camino!Thank you. Great information! I live in New Orleans, USA so I am not terribly equipped for cold weather. There are few items that I may have to learn to live without (i.e. face cream, make up, hairbrush). So far the Camino is teaching me to let go of so called things I think I need...and that is a wonderful thing. Thank you again!
The Great Debate for Winter Camino: I am walking from Pamplona on 23/2/2022, and I am struggling to find the right pack size. I have a 40L and 60L, weight difference is 2.16lb. I really want to carry the 40L but having a hard time making it work with the added bulky clothes for the winter. Question: Do I need a sleeping bag for this time of year? I have heard it is better to have one in the winter. Mine is light and compact but it still takes up more room than I would like to spare. Thanks!
Take the hairbrush, take the moisturizer....you maybe ONLY need mascara but you can leave that too. One issue I had when i did this before was the "stuff I needed" my pilgrim friend literally emptied my entire pack on the bed and moved half of it into a postal box. We mailed it for a nominal fee to the next big city. I literally didn't even need that box at the end.Thank you. Great information! I live in New Orleans, USA so I am not terribly equipped for cold weather. There are few items that I may have to learn to live without (i.e. face cream, make up, hairbrush). So far the Camino is teaching me to let go of so called things I think I need...and that is a wonderful thing. Thank you again!
I always do laundry every day on the Camino!I learned in the evenings one of the things i did was laundry every 2 or 3 days.
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