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Terribly sad. Not a pilgrim!
Sounds like something I need to download.If you see this happening on the Camino, there is a specific section on the Alert Cops App for reporting vandalism.
Exactly.A thoughtless vandal certainly.
But why not a pilgrim?
I'm glad I missed those.Even on Via de Bayona which is much less walked route than CF or even Sarria-SdC stretch I constantly saw "XY was here" all along the route on the markers.
Well, it was in 2016 and the name was Ewan. Maybe they repaint or scrub it off???I'm glad I missed those.
And there were none on the Invierno either.
Greater numbers inevitably bring a few people who...well, you know...
Must have, or maybe I just didn't notice - although that's exactly the sort of thing that would jump out and annoy me day after day. None of the yellow and blue posts were besmirched by graffiti, nor the waymarkers below the Tunel San Adrian.Well, it was in 2016 and the name was Ewan. Maybe they repaint or scrub it off???
It’s a sad, generational thing. Somehow this person feels no shame about spray painting a selfish expression on a public guidepost. It’s all about me, in this generationSounds like something I need to download.
It’s a sad, generational thing. Somehow this person feels no shame about spray painting a selfish expression on a public guidepost. It’s all about me, in this generation
A thoughtless vandal certainly.
But why not a pilgrim?
But let's not give this person the very publicity they crave.....
“When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint.”
Hesiod. 8th Century BC.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates. 5th Century BC.
It’s been a problem for a while!
That is one of the big problems with the Camino today. A pilgrimage is something that should be undertaken with some amount of thought, reflection and reverence for what was and is, and anticipation for what may be. I am not saying people should not enjoy themselves and hope to have, which most seem to, a positive and in some degree a life changing experience. With all due respect, the people involved in this vandalism are without a shadow of a doubt anything but a pilgrim. Accepting of peoples faults, personality flaws etc. is something that I have learned when I walk caminos. People who are completely rude, self serving and accepting of everything and everyone no matter how reprehensible, selfish or rude their behavior helps to foster this type of vandalism. "Hey man everyone is cool and let's just accept everyone because we are "inclusive and non judgmental", makes no sense to me. Where does this loving acceptance end and begin to turn into the acquiesce of people and actions that threaten our freedoms and actions? There are universal truths in this world. A very simple one is actions like this disqualify these people from being identified in any manner, shape or form as pilgrims.My question was a little different. It’s likely that the culprit was a walker, but why would their actions debar them from being a pilgrim?
Is a pilgrim something special?
It’s a sad, generational thing. Somehow this person feels no shame about spray painting a selfish expression on a public guidepost. It’s all about me, in this generation
Certainly did not mean to say all of this generation are like that, only that it wouldn’t cross the mind of an older generation to do this.That’s a pretty broad generalization based on the actions of one.
That's a joke, right?Certainly did not mean to say all of this generation are like that, only that it wouldn’t cross the mind of an older generation to do this.
Trying to lecture me is not going to help anything.My intention was not to start an argument about who would or wouldn't do this.
My intention was to express my disgust with anyone who would do this.
Why do we always have to argue with each other?
A friend of mine got on this forum for the first time this week and told me he felt horrible that people were so ugly to each other and got "their panties in a twist" over nothing.
Can't we each just have our opinions and move on?
I know I"m just as guilty as anyone - can't we do better?
Trying to lecture me is not going to help anything.
I agree. I don't like the way some people also put their name on these markers with their idea of catchy little quotes or just signing their name. It is vandalism. You see some people's name all along the way as you are walking. It is very unfortunate.To me, this was horrible!
Love certainly didn't win as a result of their irresponsible actions!
Someone with a can of red spray paint tagged waymarks all the way from Sarria to Santiago.
It was so sad.
Here is one example of their work... others on my blog.
https://caminosantiago2.blogspot.com/2019/09/to-person-who-wanted-to-inspire-love.html
If I were their parent, I'd be ashamed.
If I were their parent, they'd be walking around with a red spray painted face and I'd probably be in jail!
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I don't think graffiti is new to this generation. I know I've seen graffiti from Roman soldiers and I'm pretty sure it goes back much further than that. Certainly, graffiti with the written word only goes as far back as written language, but if you pass by Atapuerca on the Camino Frances, you won't be far from where some much earlier vandals tagged up a cave.Certainly did not mean to say all of this generation are like that, only that it wouldn’t cross the mind of an older generation to do this.
I don't think graffiti is new to this generation. I know I've seen graffiti from Roman soldiers and I'm pretty sure it goes back much further than that. Certainly, graffiti with the written word only goes as far back as written language, but if you pass by Atapuerca on the Camino Frances, you won't be far from where some much earlier vandals tagged up a cave.
Not to say that the type of graffiti shown above is acceptable. Just that it isn't new to the younger generations.
I submit to your wisdom. Let’s hope it improvesI don't think graffiti is new to this generation. I know I've seen graffiti from Roman soldiers and I'm pretty sure it goes back much further than that. Certainly, graffiti with the written word only goes as far back as written language, but if you pass by Atapuerca on the Camino Frances, you won't be far from where some much earlier vandals tagged up a cave.
Not to say that the type of graffiti shown above is acceptable. Just that it isn't new to the younger generations.
NoThat's a joke, right?
Flogging? Flogging's to good to them. Lets have Hanging, Drawing and Quartering. Heads displayed on Mojones. Nah; lets go Biblical: cursed until the 7th generation - that'll teach 'em... My offspring will then experience the joy of watching the wretched curs flinch at the mere sight of a sharpie.Bring back public flogging !
Nothing rebellious in that though, is there!Shame does not seem to motivate people to change behaviour. Or at least that is my reading of the latest research.
What are these people who paint/graffiti trying to achieve? We might get somewhere if we knew, and could find another, more acceptable, gratification.
I agree that if someone is caught, getting them to clean off graffiti is a good punishment, but perhaps also (under supervision) maintaining or renewing the necessary signs? Like re-painting the yellow arrows where they have faded or become invisible. Or participating in public beautification works. That way they do get to make a "mark", but an acceptable one.
Good job. Way to be a proper caretaker of the path.It was so edifying when I just walked the Norte, every sign post and marker was in pristine condition ... until I rejoined the Frances at Lavacolla, and the first maker (about one minute after the last perfect Norte marker) was thoroughly vandalised - no more plates showing distances. From then on - the rubbish and tissue trail, graffiti, hoards of bike riders rushing past, people super-anxious about their next bed.
I do hope the other Camino's don't succumb to the worst aspects of the Frances as their numbers grow.
I try and pick up a few pieces of rubbish each day when I walk to make a difference, but don't know how to deal with the graffiti, as I've only witnessed it happening once (I intervened, and he didn't do it again - I know that because we became good friends)!
I will admit to adding my graffiti to a small corner of Bar Elvis in Reliegos in 2016. I know the owner didn't mind, though. He handed me the marker.Btw, has anyone been to the Jesus Albergue in Villar de Mazarife recently?
In 2015 I stayed there in December. I was the only one, it was dark, freezing, and felt unfriendly, but most of all I remember every wall and bed was covered in graffiti, it added to my sense of desolation that evening. I wonder if it is still the same? I suppose it was a chance for "controlled graffiti" - as long as the owners didn't mind, but it was really ugly (imo).
No shame there...here’s a small sample of what’s inside (from April 2017).I will admit to adding my graffiti to a small corner of Bar Elvis in Reliegos in 2016. I know the owner didn't mind, though. He handed me the marker.
I was always pleased when I found one where the distance marker and/or the ceramic arrow plaque hadn’t been prised out.As an adjunct to this thread my one and only time on the cf I was horrified at the cretins using their skiing poles to jab the Camino tiles on the distance pilIars. I watched someone do thus and asked why he did it. His reply was because he saw some one else do it...a case of monkey see monkey do
On the Norte, they're all near pristine (at least from Aviles to Santiago) I was very impressed.I was always pleased when I found one where the distance marker and/or the ceramic arrow plaque hadn’t been prised out.
They vary on the Frances - although regularly replaced - as one nears Santiago the damage is more common.On the Norte, they're all near pristine (at least from Aviles to Santiago) I was very impressed.
Shouldn't that be peripathetic vandals??!!!They vary on the Frances - although regularly replaced - as one nears Santiago the damage is more common.
It’s ironic as every second shop in Santiago sells a ceramic ‘yellow arrow’ plaque for next to nothing.
As someone who, on a bad day, would happily shoot people who cannot park inside the designated parking space my views on peripatetic vandals are best not posted.
Obviously not. And there are many people doing this, perhaps not even seeing it as vandalism - but as part of the 'camino experience:' camino families, lots of partying, and tagging...?Hopefully, whoever caused this vandalism comes to reali
Agreed...but I doubt giving publicity on this forum will make him happy. Probably doesn’t know we even exist!But let's not give this person the very publicity they crave.....
As a Benedictines we are taught that correction of our faults is one of the many ways we are shown love.That is one of the big problems with the Camino today. A pilgrimage is something that should be undertaken with some amount of thought, reflection and reverence for what was and is, and anticipation for what may be. I am not saying people should not enjoy themselves and hope to have, which most seem to, a positive and in some degree a life changing experience. With all due respect, the people involved in this vandalism are without a shadow of a doubt anything but a pilgrim. Accepting of peoples faults, personality flaws etc. is something that I have learned when I walk caminos. People who are completely rude, self serving and accepting of everything and everyone no matter how reprehensible, selfish or rude their behavior helps to foster this type of vandalism. "Hey man everyone is cool and let's just accept everyone because we are "inclusive and non judgmental", makes no sense to me. Where does this loving acceptance end and begin to turn into the acquiesce of people and actions that threaten our freedoms and actions? There are universal truths in this world. A very simple one is actions like this disqualify these people from being identified in any manner, shape or form as pilgrims.
AnnieTo me, this was horrible!
Love certainly didn't win as a result of their irresponsible actions!
Someone with a can of red spray paint tagged waymarks all the way from Sarria to Santiago.
It was so sad.
Here is one example of their work... others on my blog.
https://caminosantiago2.blogspot.com/2019/09/to-person-who-wanted-to-inspire-love.html
If I were their parent, I'd be ashamed.
If I were their parent, they'd be walking around with a red spray painted face and I'd probably be in jail!
View attachment 64561
To the person who wanted to inspire love - you didn't!
I just ran across these photos from my 2018 walk and got angry all over again. WHY does a person do this? What makes it ok to destroy pro...caminosantiago2.blogspot.com
If you are directing this to me than hopefully you are right. I must really love myself as I need about 2 lifetimes to correct 1 lifetimes worth of faults. One of the multitude of reasons I walk multitudes of caminos.As a Benedictines we are taught that correction of our faults is one of the many ways we are shown love.
Well done henrythedog, well done“When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint.”
Hesiod. 8th Century BC.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates. 5th Century BC.
It’s been a problem for a while!
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