- Time of past OR future Camino
- First one in 2005 from Moissac, France.
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"Colonials," unless you're referring to the Mayflower Pilgrims.how the colonists - ooppss, sorry, Americans
.. then I have had American visitors who can't work out why there is a plastic bowl in my sink .... or why when they ask for ice in a drink they only get two cubes, and so on.
(only for fun)
The founders of the colonies were colonists, as per the definition that you quoted. They were English and spoke British English (although not the same as today's British English). The later residents who lived in the colonies when American and British English diverged are jokingly referred to (with British humor) as "Colonials."I meant what I wrote as America was first colonies, founded by the English and the residents were colonists - another example of American versus English?
I’m not American, i’m Korean/Swiss - but why do you have a plastic bowl in your sink??
It was because the dishes got washed in the bowl. Back when no one had electric dishwashers. The bowl was called the “washing up bowl”. That is what I remember.I’m not American, i’m Korean/Swiss - but why do you have a plastic bowl in your sink??
It was because the dishes got washed in the bowl. Back when no one had electric dishwashers. The bowl was called the “washing up bowl”. That is what I remember.
Wow...that's a big toilet!It makes more sense if you look at a typical American restroom.
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Comfy too.Wow...that's a big toilet!
The first Colony in North America was Spanish. San Augustine. Just being a Pedant. The first successful English Colony in North America was either Georgia or Virginia. The Mayflower lot were Johnny come Latelies.I meant what I wrote as America was first colonies, founded by the English and the residents were colonists - another example of American versus English?
"the difference between colonial and colonist is that colonial is a person from a country that is or was controlled by another while colonist is a person who is a founder of a colony."
But actually, my using 'colonist' was English humour, we forgave you for your rebellion and treason a long time ago.
An Irish tribe called the Scots Colonised Northern Brittain. Which then became Scotland. The former Irish Colonials later invaded Northern Ireland and formed Plantations of Scots in Ireland. The English (Normans plus Anglo-Saxons) were requested to invade Ireland by a deposed Irish High King (Biggest Mistake Ever!) The remaining Irish in the South West of Ireland eventually saved enough for tickets to the Dominions in Canada, Newfoundland. Australia New Zealand etc. A dominion is something like a colony but without totally disenfranchising the aboriginal peoples. A lot of the Southern Irish tribes were Colonists from Northern Spain (Including my family). Ireland is mainly English speaking but any other English speaking visitor gets confused by its usage. But then who wouldn't with that sort of history!"the difference between colonial and colonist is that colonial is a person from a country that is or was controlled by another while colonist is a person who is a founder of a colony."
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Virginia. The Plymouth colony had a more compelling story to tell the many non-anglo immigrants post Civil War.The first Colony in North America was Spanish. San Augustine. Just being a Pedant. The first successful English Colony in North America was either Georgia or Virginia. The Mayflower lot were Johnny come Latelies.
Ah! You must be part of the newer generation of washing up bowlsI have a stainless steel bowl in my stainless steel sink. Where do I fit in?
I still don't have a dishwasher..Hardly any of us have dishwashers - well, if you exclude the servants of course.
I would be inclined to think that the first Europeans to establish a settlement in northern America were vikings from Scandinavia.The first Colony in North America was Spanish. San Augustine. Just being a Pedant. The first successful English Colony in North America was either Georgia or Virginia. The Mayflower lot were Johnny come Latelies.
The world would be a better place if we all used digital timepieces. Of course, it would be even better if we all used 24-hour time. 7:30 would be 0730 or 1930 in any language -- no half seven, half past seven, quarter til eight, five after seven, and so on. I'm stopping here before this turns into another metric vs imperial (or whatever it's called) endless threads. Besides, I gotta go -- my wife just got home from the grocery store and is calling me to get a big bag of veggies out of the trunk. I hope she got some cookies and potato chips while she was there. Oh, yeah, she said there were a lot of trees in the parking lot, and a big bird thought the hood of her car was a restroom, so now I have to add a couple of ounces of soap to a gallon of water in my aluminum bucket and clean that up, too.No, half seven means half past seven, not half past six. That was by and large the barrier difference. Sure, used different words but never was there confusion except for the time and they confirmed if I forgot to include a past.
A friend related to me that during a visit to Spain she had asked for a washroom after a meal, and been shown into a small room containing only a wash basin, which was not what she needed at all. I suppose that she had requested a lavabo and the hostess misunderstood her requirement. I have notice that there are a lot of different names for this facility in Spain, depending on the local term: eg. servicios, aseos, etc. I have even seen "w.c." in Spain. I suppose that this could necessitate a double translation for someone primarily familiar with the American terms. And of course persons from other parts of the world may wonder why North Americans will request the location of the bathroom when we do not require a bath.So .... anyone had a problem on Camino? Such as asking for the rest room instead of bathroom or loo and being shown the dormitory?
They have two separate taps for cold and hot water. A plastic bowl is a fantastic feature that provides comfort, convenience and pleasure of the water just warm enoughI’m not American, i’m Korean/Swiss - but why do you have a plastic bowl in your sink??
Yet another English - American word difference I for one have a plastic bowl in my sink, however we Americans call them basins.'Cos we is civilisedTaken from elsewhere "Because it uses less water, because you're less likely to damage a plate by accidentally knocking it against a plastic bowl than against a metal sink, because if you suddenly want to use the sink for some other purpose you can lift the whole lot out, because you can tip cold tea or vegetable water down the side of the bowl rather than all over your crockery ..... "
I would add - if you need to clean up a mess it is simple to take the bowl with soapy water and a cloth in it to the spill ... or same for cleaning windows ... or if someone is feeling sick .... or putting washed wet clothes in it to take out to hang on the washing line ... or using the used water in it to water the plants etc etc etc
it really is a fab thing to have!
You could, but in Spain it's more common to ask for los servicios.Hi. I have a probably stupid question—I am preparing for my first Camino, and as a Californian I speak only Spanglish, but could I not ask politely for “el baño”?
I cannot support my interpretation, but I think they are slightly difference shapes - a basin tends to have more of a flat bottom, maybe better for use as a washing container, while a bowl is more spherical and better for mixing cake batter. I am not sure if that is a regional language issue, just a very fine distinction, or even my own idiosyncratic usage.I for one have a plastic bowl in my sink, however we Americans call them basins.
I actually said successful Colony i.e. one that prospered and evolved over a long period of time. The Norsemen stopped roving west wards after the black death took hold in Europe. The Greenland colony was also abandoned.I would be inclined to think that the first Europeans to establish a settlement in northern America were vikings from Scandinavia.
I still don't have a dishwasher..
Well not an electric one anyway!
My dishwasher is called Charlie and he does a great job with the dishes ...and the pots and pans ....great for keeping the electricity bills down!!
I cannot support my interpretation, but I think they are slightly difference shapes - a basin tends to have more of a flat bottom, maybe better for use as a washing container, while a bowl is more spherical and better for mixing cake batter. I am not sure if that is a regional language issue, just a very fine distinction, or even my own idiosyncratic usage.
In any case, the thing I use in my sink is a bowl.
David - during WWI the British Army Generals (in particular) referred to Australian soldiers as "colonials" and even used the term when referring to Lt Gen Sir John Monash, even after King George V "knighted him in the field", the last man to be so honoured.Re colonists vs colonials - the object of the humour was to be absurd - therefore I used colonists rather than colonials - I could have used revolting rebels who committed high treason - look my post is supposed to be lighthearted ... merely a humorous way to idle away time ...
...did I mention that aluminium has more than one I in it? or that herb begins with an H ? or that momentarily means just for a moment, it doesn't mean soon? of course not ...
Hardly any of us have dishwashers - well, if you exclude the servants of course.
The world would be a better place if we all used digital timepieces. Of course, it would be even better if we all used 24-hour time. 7:30 would be 0730 or 1930 in any language -- no half seven, half past seven, quarter til eight, five after seven, and so on. I'm stopping here before this turns into another metric vs imperial (or whatever it's called) endless threads. Besides, I gotta go -- my wife just got home from the grocery store and is calling me to get a big bag of veggies out of the trunk. I hope she got some cookies and potato chips while she was there. Oh, yeah, she said there were a lot of trees in the parking lot, and a big bird thought the hood of her car was a restroom, so now I have to add a couple of ounces of soap to a gallon of water in my aluminum bucket and clean that up, too.
I should have made it clearer that I was referring to your comment that the first colony was established by the Spanish, which does seem to be a common misunderstanding. We could probably have a very interesting discussion about the matters you have raised, but perhaps we would be digressing too far were we to do that.I actually said successful Colony i.e. one that prospered and evolved over a long period of time. The Norsemen stopped roving west wards after the black death took hold in Europe. The Greenland colony was also abandoned.
The Basques also had seasonal settlements where they salted Cod for their home market and it is rumored that Cabot used their information on his voyages to North America. There have been early iron artifacts found in North America that have metallurgical properties similar to products from the Basque region of Spain.
Most of this is just due to the fact I am retired and have the time to watch the discovery channel:-}}
That can happen if the "southerner" is from the south of England and the "northerner" is from the north of England. If accents are strong e.g. proper Cockney accent from London and proper Geordie accent from Newcastle, then they would probably struggle to understand eachother at all......I wish one day to walk with a southerner (deep-south) and a brit, and both accuse each other of not speaking English. That would be fun!
Long time ago when I didn't know how American English was different from the one I had learnt at school I had lunch in a restaurant with two nice American ladies. At some point they asked if I knew where it bathroom is.
- Wha...??? What do you need a bathroom for? (only thing we use the bathroom is to take a bath)
- Ops, eh, to wash our hands....
- Could you do it in the toilet maybe?
- Oh, yes, sure! and off they ran.
Many years ago in Hong Kong before Mandarin was taught in schools as broadly as it is today, I observed two Chinese gentlemen sitting at a table next to me on the veranda of the Peak Cafe (Victoria Peak). One spoke Mandarin, so I assumed he was from the mainland; the other spoke Cantonese. They struggled to understand each other until this happened: they wrote notes in Chinese and passed them back and forth. They then understood each other perfectly. They laughed heartily.
Last weekend, a friend from Shanghai was visiting, and I told her this story. She said, "oh, yes, this was a very common thing to do during this time."
I doubt I would be able to understand English spoken as proper Cockney or proper Geordie. Or, for that matter, someone from the deep south of the USA, but knowing there is the written word gives me hope. Of course, when all else fails, there is always "Google Translate."
I wonder whether a certain G Washington had a Geordie accent since his family came from Tyne and Wear in the North of England???That can happen if the "southerner" is from the south of England and the "northerner" is from the north of England. If accents are strong e.g. proper Cockney accent from London and proper Geordie accent from Newcastle, then they would probably struggle to understand eachother at all......
Just sayin....innit.....
The majority of Hollywood representations of California always appear to be very "Gringo" Centric. The only representation of Spanish era California seems to Zorro with Tyrone Power (Gringo playing Californian) or Banderas (Spaniard playing Californian) and they all seem to have spoken English???
I was such a poor student in high school Spanish, it's a minor miracle I passed the class. I still struggle getting out of the present tense. That said, I think it would be helpful if Americans were conversant in Spanish, since Spanish speakers represent the largest non-native-English-speaking cohort in the USA. Learning another language also does wonders for the "empathetic gene" that in too many people lies dormant.
Ah ha! Now I see! The plastic bowl is what we called a "dishpan". It was used just as you describe and specifically prior to the luxury of dishwashers. This was in the south - but not deep South - rather in the south of Texas.It was because the dishes got washed in the bowl. Back when no one had electric dishwashers. The bowl was called the “washing up bowl”. That is what I remember.
I got confused in the classification of the stories in a building, when, at an albergue, I was trying to find a bed on the Second floor. Of course the numbering system is different between North America and Europe, but at the end of the day I didn't recall that fact. The consequences were amicable . I eventually was shooed upstairs to the European second floor.Hi - my daughter is in the States at the moment and it led me to thinking about how the colonists - ooppss, sorry, Americans, speak English versus Brits speaking English - rubber rather than eraser for instance - ... then I have had American visitors who can't work out why there is a plastic bowl in my sink .... or why when they ask for ice in a drink they only get two cubes, and so on.
So .... anyone had a problem on Camino? Such as asking for the rest room instead of bathroom or loo and being shown the dormitory?
(only for fun)
I would be inclined to think that the first Europeans to establish a settlement in northern America were vikings from Scandinavia.
A language professor of mine told of being confused with the Newfoundland accent. He said he felt better about that when he realized that every second sentence used by the locals in a conversation was "What?"though the heavier Scots accents can occasionally be difficult to some people from the New World
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Europeans are taught to count from Zero so ground floor is zero. European buildings also have a floor thirteen (if they are tall enough)I got confused in the classification of the stories in a building, when, at an albergue, I was trying to find a bed on the Second floor. Of course the numbering system is different between North America and Europe, but at the end of the day I didn't recall that fact. The consequences were amicable . I eventually was shooed upstairs to the European second floor.
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I felt that I didn't have enough time to teach them, the pronunciation for Dwygyfylchi.
@nycwalking, next time let me know if you want to meet!
Type Brian Stubbs Egyptian into a Google search box. This appears to be related to the Latter Day Saints and their Book of Mormon. Very little reaction from unrelated linguists, so either it is accepted without objection or they didn't bother to address his work ...The discovery that some vocabulary of some South American languages was of Egyptian origin made a small splash some years ago, but truth is that very few people even cared slightly about it. Dunno how deep those reports are buried presently.
It's not about American English versus the kind of English the British speak, but about French. Maybe there's a French speaking person who can enlighten me?
Why is a urinal in French called 'uri-noir' when they are always white?
It's linguistic drift, the evolution of new words, as well as Chinese whispers (Commonwealth English) or telephone (American English). (And there you go. Two nations separated by the same language.)how on earth did it happen that if Chaucer and I were in the same room today we would be totally unable to speak to each other, each of us would have what appears to be a completely foreign language??? .. just wondering, as you do ....
There are a few like that in Melbourne. ..'conveniently ' placed for when in walk into townThe classic public french urinal is called a "Pissoir" You also get them in the UK. They are generally highly ornate cast iron affairs.
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An extremely funny French book called Clochmerle concerns the the fight between conservative Catholics opposing the installation against modernising Republicans. The riots caused the French Government to send in the army.
fascinating, indeed. I use both those words. 'Fall' is more casual.fascinating isn't it. Back in the time of Shakespeare we used the word 'fall' for autumn. The Americans have that now and we use 'autumn' - but how? why? Who knows.
Hi David, and all those of you interested in the language differences and changes over time.I suppose the differences in English in former colonies compared to the homeland isn't so strange - perhaps it is strange that the divergence isn't more.
So .. idly thinking here. 14th Century Geoffery Chaucer, of Canterbury Tales fame. The first person to write published works in the English language. Two children of his grew up and had children. All three generations spoke English to each other without any problems, from grandparents to grandchildren - stay with me here ... those children had children ... down the centuries there were always three, sometimes four, generations, from children to grandparents, even great grandparents, who all spoke clear understandable English to each other, without any known suspicion of change, alteration, or problem.
So - from Chaucer to now is perhaps 26 to 30 generations, all the generations speaking and writing clear and understandable English to each other - so, I ask myself, how on earth did it happen that if Chaucer and I were in the same room today we would be totally unable to speak to each other, each of us would have what appears to be a completely foreign language??? .. just wondering, as you do ....
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