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I'm a babe in the woods here, but still — I am fascinated by these rare gems.Please try to help us rather than confuse us with too much detail.
Thank you, @mspath !Check the citations/descriptions in Wikipedia using a search for Visigothic in Spain and Port
Sounds like a good idea. But I don't think I personally would be ready to attempt one until I pass the beginners' course!have you considered making an online clue sheet/ map for each style?
Basically what I see is a high-ceilinged central nave, with lower lean-to aisles on either side.Generally basilican in layout, sometimes a Greek cross plan or, more rarely, a combination of the two. The spaces are highly compartmentalised.
Here I need an example...I know what a Corinthian capital is looks like in general, but what is that unique Visigothic design?
Speaking of Santa Maria de Lara, here are some of the missing pieces of Visigothic carvings.Santa Maria de Lara, which is sadly only a fragment of the original.
Jaw. Dropping.Speaking of Santa Maria de Lara, here are some of the missing pieces of Visigothic carvings.
I wonder if this debate is now settled?The looted artworks could also be "essential" evidence in a debate raging among scholars about the exact age of the church, said Oxford University researcher David Addison.
Addison said some believed it was a 7th century building while others dated it to the 10th or 11th centuries.
It is super super special, and well worth the (very short) detour off the Lana that gets you there.The only visigothic church I've seen with my own eyes rather than pictures is Santa Maria de Lara, which is sadly only a fragment of the original. But it's super special.
I thought I had read recently on the forum a definition that said the term pre-Romanesque does not denote architecture of the period from, roughly, the end of the Roman Empire to the beginning of Romanesque architecture but denotes a style that developed into Romanesque, ie a sort of precursor perhaps. I can't find the post right now. I know little about the Visigoths and what traces are left of their reign in France and Spain, and I accepted this definition without questioning.what are the key identifying features of Visigothic architecture [...] What changes then took place in the Pre-Romanesque period?
Pictures:Another interesting example is San Pedro De Nave which is on the Camino Portugues de la Via de la Plata outside El Campillo. It is just under 30km walk from Zamora
I can't find my photos of the place but here is the Wikipedia page
San Pedro de la Nave - Wikipedia
Thank you for posting this. Below are four capitals from San Pedro de Nave. Questions to the experts:Another interesting example is San Pedro De Nave
Si, por favor.Does anyone want to have an explanation of what the scenes show that have people in them (bonus question and I am happy to provide the explanation)?
I'm delighted to read your commentsPhoto 3 is Abraham being stopped by God from offering Isaac as a sacrifice, with the ram caught in the thicket visible.
Photo 2 is Jesus in the wilderness being ministered to by wild animals, including leopards and lions.
Visigothic is what was built in the Visigoth kingdom before the Arabs entered Spain. Those two churches from the 9th century are defined as "Arte Preromanico Asturiano" .Is the building at Santa Maria del Naranjo and the church of San Miguel de Lilo near Oviedo regarded as Visigothic?
Is the building at Santa Maria del Naranjo and the church of San Miguel de Lilo near Oviedo regarded as Visigothic
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According to this description which does not mention Visigothic they are described as PreRomanesque.
I picked this up by chance on some website: The Latin words SOL and LUNA can be seen inside the circle around the faces of the anthropomorphic sun and moon. Latin is like French and Spanish: the grammatical gender for sol / sun is masculine and for luna / moon it is feminine. However, looking at the images (hair, clothes), one could think that it is the opposite, that the sun is shown as a female and the moon as a male. Die Sonne is female in German and der Mond is male, and the same applies for the older Germanic languages, to which Visigothic belongs. The location of the church and the inscription is Latin/Mediterranean but the sculptor's mental-cultural image of the cosmos is Germanic. Cute, isn't itA barely Christianised Sol Invictus. And a, to my eye, almost entirely pagan Selene/Isis/Moon
I would have trouble calling this a Corinthian columns. Corinthian is the third order of Greek columns: Doric, Ionic and Corinthian. Corinthian was normal an acanthus leaf motif.Thank you for posting this. Below are four capitals from San Pedro de Nave. Questions to the experts:
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- Are these capitals typical examples of the style?
- Would you call the shape of capital and column Corinthian?
(If yes to both questions, this would go quite a bit towards answering @VNwalking's earlier question.)- The motif of birds picking at fruit - is that typical for the style or did I simply read too many times the same description of the same Visigothic sculpture showing birds picking at fruit, in particular grapes?
- Does anyone want to have an explanation of what the scenes show that have people in them (bonus question and I am happy to provide the explanation
)?
Is there a chart somewhere, outlining the time periods and regions when these cultures existed in Iberia: Celtic, Roman, Pre-Romanesque, Swabian, Visagoth, etc?
Yes, I'm considering it. But starting from scratch, I could be slow. I'm sure it already exists somewhere on the internet, but if I made one myself, then I would come to understand and remember the content. Meanwhile, you might be interested in a portion of that chart - History of the Visigoths in Spain in 3 minutes and 43 seconds. At the end, it names 4 notable Visigoth churches, for which I've rounded up some other links. Some of them have already been mentioned above.Charts displaying a timeline and stylistic périods linked to a map are being considered. Stay tuned for further info.
That's one thing I have learned, so far, so I hope it is true.my current understanding is that Visigothic architecture and sculpture is Pre-Romanesque while Pre-Romanesque is a much wider definition.
I think some brief side discussion of bird, plant and fruit identification is acceptable in this thread, as long as we don't have too much Latin or obscure (to me) iconography. I can accept a local bird or tree!identifying the birds and plants and fruit (not what they stand for in the way of iconography when their purpose goes beyond mere decoration) and where the artist found inspiration. But @C clearly may perhaps tell us soon that this topic is reserved for the intermediate or advanced course.
What are your units of very-shortness? Google maps shows it as about 10 km off the Lana.[Santa Maria de Lara]... is super super special, and well worth the (very short) detour off the Lana that gets you there.
to put everything on one page, here is a summary list from this thread, our crowdsourced camino connections (there are some duplications when a place is accessible from 2 caminos; @peregrina2000 , @alansykes , @Rebekah Scott , @Pelegrin , @oursonpolaire, and anyone who knows better, please feel free to correct me if I have missed or misrepresented something, or to add to the list! Thanks.):
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Camino de Madrid —
Wamba
Side trip from Norte —
San Juan Apostol y Evangelista (Santianes de Pavia)(6.9 km from Muros de Nalon)
Norte to Primitivo —
Valdediós
Primitivo (Oviedo and environs; distances from city centre) —
Camara Santa of Oviedo Cathedral
Santa Maria del Naranco (3.2km NW)
Santa Maria de Bendones (6.4km SE; may be near Camino de las Asturias)
San Julián de los Prados (1.3km NE)
San Pedro de Nora (11km W)
San Tirso (19km SE)
San Miguel de Lillo (3.4km NW)
San Adriano de Tuñon (Near Rio Trubia, ~20km SW)
San Olav —
Santa Maria de Lara (Quintanillas de las Viñas)
San Salvador —
Santa Cristina de Lena
Side trip from Frances —
Santa Maria de los Arcos in Tricio (2.6km SE of Najera, closer to the camino)
San Miguel de Escalada (14.3km NE of Mansilla de las Mulas)
Iglesia de Santiago in Peñalba de Santiago (from Ponferrada or El Acebo)
Side trip from Sanabres—
Santa Comba de Bande (~49km SW of Ourense)
side trip from Vdlp —
Santa Lucía de Trampal
San Pedro de la Nave (22 km from Zamora)
Vadiniense—
San Miguel de Escalada
Zamorano Portugués —
San Pedro de la Nave (22 km from Zamora)
I wonder if some of those Visigothics churches could have been Swabians before.
A quote from this blog post is pertinent here:There are, of course, more rabbit holes. The several-centuries that constitute the segue from late Roman Empire to something else were a complicated time, not just in Spain. So of course there is plenty of debate in professional circles about the Byzantine and Visigothic in Spain. Maybe it's TMI, but this blogpost was fascinating:
She describes Sta Maria de Trampal by saying "Who knows whether this is really ‘Visigothic’ in any meaningful way but it’s a really odd little building…"Looking for Byzantium in Spain at Oxford
Another event from the diminishing pile of things I have yet to report from when I was in Oxford is a one-day conference organised by some of the small crowd of temporary Hispanists among whom I wa…tenthmedieval.wordpress.com
Dr de los Ángeles, meanwhile, took a very critical view of the kind of art history that’s been done with early medieval churches in the Iberian Peninsula [...] and in general savaged categories like Mozarabic, Visigothic or Byzantine for this stuff which was all built by people with presumably only partial ideas of the Mediterranean’s interconnected æsthetics...
OMG, San Miguel de la Escalada. From Gradefes to Mansilla de las Mulas on the Vadiniense, you pass right by. But it is only about 15 km from Mansilla de las Mulas, and it would be worth moving heaven and earth to get there.
The Abbey is after Zubiri, and it's Romanesque, 12th C. I remember seeing a post quite some time ago saying that they were closing, but I don't know for sure.Oh, and there is an old church a couple (who met on the Camino) bought and were renovating somewhere before (?) Zubiri on the CF? I can't remember the name of it now. Has anyone learned more about that old place?
Yes, it's one valley over from the Lana proper. But it's smack-dab on the Camino San Olav. So if you're walking the Lana and go straight to Burgos when you get to Covarrubias, you'd be missing out big time: there's a menhir, some dinosaur footprints, and this gem of a shrine.What are your units of very-shortness? Google maps shows it as about 10 km off the Lana.
Thanks! The San Olav seems to be missing from my "all Caminos" collection. I'll have to add it.But it's smack-dab on the Camino San Olav.
I’ll try to rein myself in.discussion of bird, plant and fruit identification is acceptable in this thread, as long as we don't have too much Latin or obscure (to me) iconography. I can accept a local bird or tree!
And what an amazing access to knowledge we have! Warning: more Latin coming your way.It was a world without books for anyone but a privileged few and a world without easy internet access to vast knowledge.
On further reflection: I got this wrong and the fabulous internet translation machines let me down badlyI also spotted a typo, it ought to be locum as in local/place instead of lacum. And then the internet translation machines can translate it reasonably well into English: Where Daniel was put into the lions' place.
If you want to walk the San Olav, my guide may be of help:Thanks! The San Olav seems to be missing from my "all Caminos" collection. I'll have to add it.
I did a bit of searching and found a few pieces written by people who seem to know their stuff that do use corinthian to describe non-greek corinthian capitals if the capitals match a pattern of an elaborately carved upside down bell holding a block form at the top. I don't what is taught in architecture school though (other than make sure things don't fall down). The capitals in post 15 above look like they could be described as corinthian (or at least corinthian-like) by that definition.I would have trouble calling this a Corinthian columns. Corinthian is the third order of Greek columns: Doric, Ionic and Corinthian. Corinthian was normal an acanthus leaf motif.
These carvings and some others on this thread remind me of Celtic ones.the Moorish Alcazaba in Mérida has some beautiful Visigothic carvings
Thank you for this link. It has a nice summary of characteristic features of Visigothic architecture. One of them is:I found a good visigothic architecture page (in Spanish but Chrome seemed to do a good job of translating) at
VISIGOTHIC ARCHITECTURE
Architecture in spain: visigothic architecture. The arrival of Visigoths implied no important rupture with Roman architecture.www.spanisharts.com
Fantastic photos and examples!!!But whenever it’s appropriate, we should focus on the Asturian pre-romanesque
I picked this up by chance on some website: The Latin words SOL and LUNA can be seen inside the circle around the faces of the anthropomorphic sun and moon. Latin is like French and Spanish: the grammatical gender for sol / sun is masculine and for luna / moon it is feminine. However, looking at the images (hair, clothes), one could think that it is the opposite, that the sun is shown as a female and the moon as a male. Die Sonne is female in German and der Mond is male, and the same applies for the older Germanic languages, to which Visigothic belongs. The location of the church and the inscription is Latin/Mediterranean but the sculptor's mental-cultural image of the cosmos is Germanic. Cute, isn't it.
The website says that the moon's face has a goatee but I can't see it in the photo, at least not clearly.
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We've tackled some Visigothic architecture. So roll on Asturias, I'd say.
The wikipedia article is very clear and not too technical. And I've already learned something.
This is what I meant by "rectangular look:"
I thought I had read recently on the forum a definition that said the term pre-Romanesque does not denote architecture of the period from, roughly, the end of the Roman Empire to the beginning of Romanesque architecture but denotes a style that developed into Romanesque, ie a sort of precursor perhaps.
Wamba's on that list* I posted above, thanks to @Rebekah Scott clueing us in. but since the focus of the original thread it was on was Northern routes, São Frutuoso in Braga was not included. Thanks @jungleboy, it looks amazing!Wamba on the Camino de Madrid. I mentioned visiting it last year (and included more photos) in this post in my live thread.
First, a list that gives a summary of Visigothic/pre-Romanesque churches in various places, and what Camino you can access them from:
I am glad you did, and I also think that there is absolutely NO consensus, not among historians let alone among us here on the forum, what these terms mean exactly and to which period they must be applied, with all the overlaps and mutual influences and whatnot. I quite like a classification from an earlier post and slightly modified now:it was less a definition and more a 'my two cents'! If the consensus among historians is to call Visigothic pre-Romanesque, then so be it, I just thought it was worthwhile pointing out the different periods within the larger 'between Rome to Romanesque' period.
Mozarabic as a general term refers to Christians living under Muslim rule in (mostly southern) Spain and Portugal and 'cut off' from the Christian kingdoms further north. As applied to architecture (and I'm extrapolating here!), it would be the building or renovating of Christian buildings in those areas during that period. So you're looking at from after 711 as a starting point for the concept of Mozarabic and continuing for centuries thereafter. I suppose theoretically the period could continue all the way to 1249 in Portugal and 1492 in Spain (the dates when the last Muslim rule was extinguished in those countries), although I think it's mostly applied to the periods when there was consolidated Muslim rule over a large area (e.g. the Umayyad caliphate) rather than the fractured taifas (city-state type polities) that came later on. If I recall correctly in the case of Wamba, it has 6th-ish-century Visigothic aspects and 9th-ish-century Mozarabic aspects.But now I'm confused, because I thought Mozarabic was later?
Thank you for this summary, @jungleboy. I've learnt a ton of stuff, and I have great hopes that at the end of @C clearly's ever evolving forum curriculum about old architecture most likely to be encountered on a Camino, I may even be able to remember the differences between Mozarabe and Mujedar.Mozarabic as a general term refers to Christians living under Muslim rule in (mostly southern) Spain and Portugal and 'cut off' from the Christian kingdoms further north.
An interesting question! Potential leads perhaps here:Can anyone recommend works of historical fiction set in the Visigothic period that would help me imagine the daily lives of the people who constructed and used these buildings? There seem to be numerous books set in the other periods of Spanish history, but I've not found anything from the times of the Visigoths.
Well doneI am happy to have learned even the following:
Romanesque broadly refers to architecture that evolves after 1000 when most of Western Europe saw a building boom of unprecedented magnitude. The model for the new style was the great abbey in Cluny in Burgundy. Unfortunately it was demolished but one still can see a replica (although on a smaller scale) at Paray-le-Monial. Defining anything built before 1000 as Romanesque is an extremely unconventional way of looking at things.
- Somehow we need to reconcile these dates with the supposed period for Romanesque, which is said to be from the 6th to 12 Centuries. I can see why the term "Pre-Romanesque" is hard to define.
I'm glad you posted. It's nice to be in company.Edited to add: Oh, @Kathar1na beat me to it. I saw their post after I posted my reply.
Good point.Romanesque broadly refers to architecture that evolves after 1000 when most of Western Europe saw a building boom of unprecedented magnitude.
The Franks were Germanic and spread into France. Charlemagne did a lot to spread Christianity across Europe.I wonder if the Visigoth churches in Spain are the only ones left by Germanics from centuries 6th and 7th in Europe .The Franks in France and the Lombards in Italy were Christians.
Yes of course but Charlemagne was later than the Visigothic kingdom. The Franks were Christians since Clovis the First in year 500. I wonder if there is any church in France or Italy from that time (Rome not included) and how the style of them it is.The Franks were Germanic and spread into France. Charlemagne did a lot to spread Christianity across Europe.
I wonder if the Visigoth churches in Spain are the only ones left by Germanics from centuries 6th and 7th in Europe .The Franks in France and the Lombards in Italy were Christians.
I seem to remember that little is left of Christian churches in many other parts of Europe from those times because they were often built with wood and not with stone. I had a quick look into DE Wikipedia where it says (deepl.com translation):I wonder if the Visigoth churches in Spain are the only ones left by Germanics from centuries 6th and 7th in Europe .The Franks in France and the Lombards in Italy were Christians.
Oh well, here goes:now someone has to say "horseshoe arch" which I think nobody said yet.
Thanks for the correction. I was hastily checking facts in order to write that post, and I saw a Wikipedia entry that I didn't ready carefully enough: "There is no consensus for the beginning date of the Romanesque style, with proposals ranging from the 6th to the 11th century, this later date being the most commonly held."who taught you that Romanesque is said to be from the 6th to the 12th century? It would be total news to me. The Romanesque style appeared around the years 950 to 1000, a time of significant demographic, technological, spiritual and political change throughout Europe
This EN Wikipedia entry surprised me. Why would anyone write this, I wondered. Bear with me, please, I'd like to share what I found in an essayThere is no consensus for the beginning date of the Romanesque style, with proposals ranging from the 6th to the 11th century, this later date being the most commonly held
I think one issue is that we forget that the transmission and adoption of new ideas was much slower in the past. The Romanesque started in Italy (according to the books I have) and then spread north and west over time, whilst evolving to take on unique regional characteristics in addition to core features of the style. As a result Anglo-Norman starts much later than Southern Romanesque.This EN Wikipedia entry surprised me. Why would anyone write this, I wondered. Bear with me, please, I'd like to share what I found in an essay. I now know that:
The universally accepted term (romanesque in English; roman in French; románico in Spanish) was coined by a French archaeologist named Gerville in 1818 when art historians started to categorise medieval architectural styles (medieval means years 600-1500). There had not been any such classification to date. He wanted to replace the "insignificant words" Saxon and Norman. He reasoned that French was a roman language, derived from the language of the Romans, and so was this architectural style. He felt that this term was more universal than Norman style and Saxon style, terms that had just been established in English art history.Apparently, it then took a while before art historians had agreed about a separation line between Romanesque style and its successor, the Gothic style. But the separation between Romanesque style and earlier medieval styles was never successfully accomplished. Different European countries / linguistic groups have differing views and terminology. In Germany, a distinction is made between Ottonian art and Salian art where Ottonian is considered to be pre-Romanesque or optionally early Romanesque. In France and Spain, there is a distinction between pré-roman (FR) and prerrománico (ES) on the one hand and roman (FR) / románico (ES) on the other hand. In Italy, things are even more complicated, since there, from late antiquity to early and high medieval art - especially in the field of architecture - hardly any epochal changes can be perceived.
I guess the confusion arises when we mix too many sources from too many countries / languages / viewpoints / educational backgrounds together. It seems to me that within Spain, which is our main topic, the timelines for románico and prerrománico are quite clear. Sure, there is overlap. But the start date of el Románico is not heavily disputed, it is around 950 or 1000. Give or take 50 years, yes, but not 500 years.
I have read that there was a prohibition on building or extending churches. Furthermore, in culture (diet, dress, language etc.), I read that the Christians adopted the culture of the islamic rulers of the territory (hence the modern term "Mozarabe"- arabized) ... so perhaps there isn't a Mozarabic architecture to discover? Happy for someone to correct me on this speculation.Mozarabic as a general term refers to Christians living under Muslim rule in (mostly southern) Spain and Portugal and 'cut off' from the Christian kingdoms further north. As applied to architecture (and I'm extrapolating here!), it would be the building or renovating of Christian buildings in those areas during that period.
[Deleted - I see that Alansykes has already described the Visigothic origins of the horseshoe arch]if we include Mozarabic now someone has to say "horseshoe arch" which I think nobody said yet.
I read that those carvings may have come from the Visigothic pilgrim hospital (since there were pilgrims to the church of Saint Eulalia in Merida back then - before the pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela).Back to Visigothic — the Moorish Alcazaba in Mérida has some beautiful Visigothic carvings, which were undoubtedly spirited away from their original place. Thanks to everyone for those beautiful pictures and enlightening discussion.
More information on this inscription (and another "In which Abraham offered his son Isaac as a sacrifice to the Lord) and the sun and the moon ... in German in this text - P229Daniel
I didn't know this!I have read that there was a prohibition on building or extending churches. Furthermore, in culture (diet, dress, language etc.), I read that the Christians adopted the culture of the islamic rulers of the territory (hence the modern term "Mozarabe"- arabized) ... so perhaps there isn't a Mozarabic architecture to discover?
Do we know which two? Or is that a quiz topic?that there are only two churches in Spain that would fit a strict interpretation of the term
Coming from a country that has only had European settlement for 200 years, I find this topic very enlightening. I have nothing constructive to add, but be assured that I am following it with great interest. Keep the photos coming so that I know what to look out for on my next visit.
It would be an easy quiz because the two "strictly Mozarabic" churches are listed under the link that I had postedDo we know which two? Or is that a quiz topic?
Church of Santa María de Melque, located near La Puebla de Montalbán (Toledo)
Fotos of the two churches. Look for the horseshoe patterns - how many can you count.Church of Bobastro, a rock temple located in Mesas de Villaverde, Ardales (Málaga)
It would be an easy quiz because the two "strictly Mozarabic" churches are listed under the link that I had posted.
The article lists the Church of Bobastro, a rock temple located in the place known as Mesas de Villaverde, in Ardales (Málaga), of which only some ruins remain; and the Church of Santa María de Melque, located in proximity to La Puebla de Montalbán (Toledo). With respect to this church, its stylistic parentage is in doubt, because it shares Visigothic features with other more proper Mozarabic features, nor its date being clear.
The Spanish version of this Wikipedia article says the same. Though perhaps more elegantly in grammatical terms.
Oh! I had no idea. On top of all the Roman things. Brilliant...Merida has a wonderful collection of Visigothic art (mostly architectural pieces and church fonts etc.), which was housed in the convent of Santa Clara when I visited:
Re-posting this as it should give you the info you need, @jungleboy. It's a pretty comprehensive compilation of Pre-Romanesque churches — Visigothic and otherwise — on some of the northern routes (Sorry for the duplication, everyone, but it had gotten buried. Edit - I have also posted it as a resource under the 'religion' section.):I also noticed in researching my Primitivo Highlights post that the World Heritage listing of the pre-Romanesque sites in/around Oviedo includes Santa Cristina de Lena, which is south of Oviedo. It looks like it might be on or near the Salvador? If so, that's another incentive to walk that route.
I have just found these wonderful websites, giving lots of information about Pre-romanesque in Asturias and Cantabria:
Arte Prerrománico. Asturias (ARTEGUIAS)The latter is the portal for information about many of the sites, and for an interpretive museum, the
Centro de Recepción e Interpretación Prerromanico Asturiano in Pavia not far from the Norte. It looks wonderful!
To quell confusion and to put everything on one page, here is a summary list from this thread, our crowdsourced camino connections (there are some duplications when a place is accessible from 2 caminos; @peregrina2000 , @alansykes , @Rebekah Scott , @Pelegrin , @oursonpolaire, and anyone who knows better, please feel free to correct me if I have missed or misrepresented something, or to add to the list! Thanks.):
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Camino de Madrid —
Wamba
Side trip from Norte —
San Juan Apostol y Evangelista (Santianes de Pavia)(6.9 km from Muros de Nalon)
Norte to Primitivo —
Valdediós
Primitivo (Oviedo and environs; distances from city centre) —
Camara Santa of Oviedo Cathedral
Santa Maria del Naranco (3.2km NW)
Santa Maria de Bendones (6.4km SE; may be near Camino de las Asturias)
San Julián de los Prados (1.3km NE)
San Pedro de Nora (11km W)
San Tirso (19km SE)
San Miguel de Lillo (3.4km NW)
San Adriano de Tuñon (Near Rio Trubia, ~20km SW)
San Olav —
Santa Maria de Lara (Quintanillas de las Viñas)
San Salvador —
Santa Cristina de Lena
Side trip from Frances —
Santa Maria de los Arcos in Tricio (2.6km SE of Najera, closer to the camino)
San Miguel de Escalada (14.3km NE of Mansilla de las Mulas)
Iglesia de Santiago in Peñalba de Santiago (from Ponferrada or El Acebo)
Side trip from Sanabres—
Santa Comba de Bande (~49km SW of Ourense)
side trip from Vdlp —
Santa Lucía de Trampal
San Pedro de la Nave (22 km from Zamora)
Vadiniense—
San Miguel de Escalada
Zamorano Portugués —
San Pedro de la Nave (22 km from Zamora)
Thank you from me, too, for your post, @apoivre. Some things - concerning the classification of the population and of architectural styles in post-Roman and medieval Spain and how these terms are used - start to make a lot more sense now.For the rest of the peninsula, the term 'Mozarabic' applies to churches built under Christian rulers by Christian craftsmen from south of the border. These craftsmen worked as far north as Cuixà in what is now France.
You could treat it as a side trip. It's about 30km off the route of the VDLP. If you walk there, you could simply continue to follow the Camino Zamorano-Portugues all the way to Ourense.San Pedro de la Nave (side trip from Zamora on the VdlP?)
Wow. Well that one is quite isolated. If you walked the Camino Zamorano-Portugues toward Ourense, perhaps you could make a side trip from Xinzo de Limia, which is about 30km away. (But perhaps the transportation is easier from Ourense, which is the main hub of the region).Santa Comba de Banda (side trip from Ourense on the Sanabrés?)
Some time ago @peregrina2000 posted this:Well that one is quite isolated.
I don’t think this is near any camino (at least not any that I know of), but I once spent a glorious weekend in Galicia in that area and took the short drive from Celanova (a very pretty Galician town) to visit the church. And ruins of a Roman fort along the way. Celanova has its own monuments to visit, too!
Santa Comba de Bande, 7C visigothic, south of Celanova, where Maricel let me in (You can find her phone number easily on line, she lives in the hamlet and is very flexible). Amazing place. The church itself is kind of hemmed in by neighborhood houses now, but is one of those jewels much in need of renovation.
Oh, fantastic, thank you!Re-posting this as it should give you the info you need, @jungleboy.
You make a good case for the Zamorano-Portugués! I don't really know anything about it - or the Sanabrés, for that matter. I just figured the Sanabrés was the most obvious way to get from the VdlP to Santiago without putting too much thought into it.You could treat it as a side trip. It's about 30km off the route of the VDLP. If you walk there, you could simply continue to follow the Camino Zamorano-Portugues all the way to Ourense.
Wow. Well that one is quite isolated. If you walked the Camino Zamorano-Portugues toward Ourense, perhaps you could make a side trip from Xinzo de Limia, which is about 30km away. (But perhaps the transportation is easier from Ourense, which is the main hub of the region).
For sure, Sanabres is the beaten track. CZP is off the track that's off the beaten track.I just figured the Sanabrés was the most obvious way to get from the VdlP to Santiago without putting too much thought into it.
Thank you for your kind words, @Kathar1naI had not been aware of the prohibition on building new churches in Al-Andalus.
I can recommend it. In 2018 the marking was sufficient.Oh, fantastic, thank you!
And looking at the list, OMG the Primitivo! I count four churches that I didn't see, and that doesn't even include Santa Cristina de Lena.
You make a good case for the Zamorano-Portugués! I don't really know anything about it - or the Sanabrés, for that matter. I just figured the Sanabrés was the most obvious way to get from the VdlP to Santiago without putting too much thought into it.
In general, this list is a reminder of how special and important Oviedo and its surrounds are in the story of early medieval Christian architectural legacy on the entire Iberian peninsula. That's not surprising, given the role the Kingdom of Asturias played in the period following the Muslim conquest, but it's noteworthy anyway.Primitivo (Oviedo and environs; distances from city centre) —
Camara Santa of Oviedo Cathedral
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