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So, @kyrotheram , what have you to say for yourself in response to the question posed in reply to your question? Put your head above the parapet, be ready for the tomatoes...@kyrotheram, I would be interested to know what motivates you to ask.
When we go in a discussion we never come out it againI don't wanna get into that discussion...
Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
Funny, Turga, I saw this question before any replies came in, which was early morning for me. I hadn't had my coffee yet, so had the same thought in my head as your reply.I don't wanna get into that discussion...
I see this assumption of sincerity as a fundamental principle of the engagement here. While we cannot be sure, we assume that members are seeking information in good faith that will help them in their pilgrim journey. There has always been the odd question that seeks to probe our personal views merely out of idle curiosity, but these seem to have been increasing lately with questions like this that do not explain what assistance the answer will give to the OP.I'm sure the OP is being very sincere and many others will reply favorably to the question.
My answer would be "kindness", but it would be the same for anyone, pilgrim or not.Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
I am a big believer in parallel universes etc. I never thought of the Camino in that way. I have my own theories about my own beliefs that I won't bore you with. But my first reaction is although I always thought that there was no conscience knowledge of parallel universes, we have some subconscious or "cosmic" (I hate that word but can't think of another one) awareness of it and it is always there to discover but we are too full of our own junk to see it. But my second thought is that when I am walking the Camino there are times, and sometimes they have lasted for hours, that I felt I was in a different place and time and maybe could be defined as a parallel universe. I have to think about it , or better still walk about it, and see what comes up. Thanks for your post.To me a Camino is not a parallel universe next to my " normal " life ( whatever definition that is ).
So in my daily life as on a Camino I hope I can rely on my common sense, compassion and empathy.
I hope I will always open my mouth when I'm confronted with bigotry, misogyny and racism . Wherever I am or walk.
Life and Camino are also a constant learning curve for me not to get annoyed too quickly by certain individuals.
I think you've got your head right in the centre of the hornets nest. You just don't ask that question on this forum, only my opinion.Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
Curious, devoted, adventurous, humble, brave, tenacious, empathetic, compassionate, encouraging ... just to name a few.Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
kyrotheram is a relatively new member, his last thread had to be moved to the silly section because of the reply's he got. Could we please try and assume it is a genuine question and answer as such or not answer at all. This was never the way we treated new members and I sincerely hope it does not become the norm.
Thank you to those who choose to answer the OP's question respectfully.
The "original post" or "original poster" - the one which started the threadThis question just shows my level of ignorance - What is an "OP" ? I'm assuming the "P" is for Pilgrim, but the "O"- I've come up with Old, Original, but neither make any sense. Please educate this old pilgrim.
Gosh. I am deeply sad that he felt that he needed to leave the forum. In the midst of all, there are some wonderful answers to his question. This moment again, is one that serves to remind us all of the importance of allowing this forum to welcome and to thrive in kindness and empathy.Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
I thoroughly enjoyed the radio adaptation that the BBC did of some of those stories. I was driving a truck when they first went out and planned my journey to hear them uninterrupted. By chance last week I discovered that they're being repeated at the moment.Pilgrim: "a person who journeys, especially a long distance, to some sacred place as an act of religious devotion", though the Pilgrim's Office in Santiago will allow "...for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least [in] an attitude of search."
You'll note nowt about mode of travel, weight of backpack, type of footwear or chosen dietary preferences. Though if you want a Compostella some further qualifications apply.
Those familiar with the works of Sebastian Baczkiewicz will be aware that William Palmer- Pilgrim contended with a few more challenges than the Camino Frances would have thrown his way.
He who would valiant beHey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
There are as many answers to this as there are stars in the sky....
A pilgrim is anyone who goes on any pilgrimage and by any means of travel, typically for a religious purpose.
A foot pilgrim is one who does so on foot.
It’s very simple: A pilgrim places them self before the judgement of God.Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
It’s very simple: A pilgrim places them self before the judgement of God.
Sorry but that has nothing to do with what a pilgrim is or is not, it is about winging it or not winging it IMO.Apologies in advance as I am going to provide the shorter list of what a pilgrim, in my humble experience, is not.
A pilgrim is not;
1) A party every night kind of person. When the body needs rst, they give it rest.
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
The last point I need to take some time to explain.
A trip or vacation is never open ended. It is predictable. Rest, relaxation are the key goals. If consciousness can be broadened by exposure to new places and different people, great, but even in this context, it is somewhat predictable.
Knowing this is not for everyone, I cannot go on pilgrimage with a return ticket in my pocket. Two one ways, that is me. Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
"A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Some cannot fathom doing this. Sorry, I wish they could. What price, true freedom?
A pilgrim is anyone who considers themselves to be a pilgrim, regardless of what anyone else thinks.Apologies in advance as I am going to provide the shorter list of what a pilgrim, in my humble experience, is not.
A pilgrim is not;
1) A party every night kind of person. When the body needs rst, they give it rest.
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
The last point I need to take some time to explain.
A trip or vacation is never open ended. It is predictable. Rest, relaxation are the key goals. If consciousness can be broadened by exposure to new places and different people, great, but even in this context, it is somewhat predictable.
Knowing this is not for everyone, I cannot go on pilgrimage with a return ticket in my pocket. Two one ways, that is me. Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
"A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Some cannot fathom doing this. Sorry, I wish they could. What price, true freedom?
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared
I did qualify my post with;Sorry but that has nothing to do with what a pilgrim is or is not, it is about winging it or not winging it IMO.
Wow. If your formula works for your pilgrimages, I have no objection. But these blanket statements are not commonly accepted truths, in my experience!Apologies in advance as I am going to provide the shorter list of what a pilgrim, in my humble experience, is not.
A pilgrim is not;
1) A party every night kind of person. When the body needs rst, they give it rest.
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
The last point I need to take some time to explain.
A trip or vacation is never open ended. It is predictable. Rest, relaxation are the key goals. If consciousness can be broadened by exposure to new places and different people, great, but even in this context, it is somewhat predictable.
Knowing this is not for everyone, I cannot go on pilgrimage with a return ticket in my pocket. Two one ways, that is me. Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
"A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Some cannot fathom doing this. Sorry, I wish they could. What price, true freedom?
Your experience satisfies you. My experience satisfies me. It is all good.Wow. If your formula works for your pilgrimages, I have no objection. But these blanket statements are not commonly accepted truths, in my experience!
Apologies in advance as I am going to provide the shorter list of what a pilgrim, in my humble experience, is not.
A pilgrim is not;
1) A party every night kind of person. When the body needs rst, they give it rest.
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
The last point I need to take some time to explain.
A trip or vacation is never open ended. It is predictable. Rest, relaxation are the key goals. If consciousness can be broadened by exposure to new places and different people, great, but even in this context, it is somewhat predictable.
Knowing this is not for everyone, I cannot go on pilgrimage with a return ticket in my pocket. Two one ways, that is me. Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
"A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Some cannot fathom doing this. Sorry, I wish they could. What price, true freedom?
And people have been saying that the number of pilgrims has been increasing in recent years. With such stringent requirements, I'm sure there are very few on the route. Just a lot of mistaken people who consider themselves pilgrims. Fortunately, we now know better.Apologies in advance as I am going to provide the shorter list of what a pilgrim, in my humble experience, is not.
A pilgrim is not;
1) A party every night kind of person. When the body needs rst, they give it rest.
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
The last point I need to take some time to explain.
A trip or vacation is never open ended. It is predictable. Rest, relaxation are the key goals. If consciousness can be broadened by exposure to new places and different people, great, but even in this context, it is somewhat predictable.
Knowing this is not for everyone, I cannot go on pilgrimage with a return ticket in my pocket. Two one ways, that is me. Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
"A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Some cannot fathom doing this. Sorry, I wish they could. What price, true freedom?
I think a pilgrim is someone who travels in a foreign land to a holy place.
But I'm simple.
Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Hey Pilgrims,
In your opinion, what characteristics/qualities do you think a pilgrim should possess? If not at the start of their pilgrimage, then certainly at the end.
@MichelleElynHogan , Sorry, not at all a fan of this response. It implies that pilgrims who have special needs in order to facilitate their walk are not, by your definition, pilgrims at all. There are some who NEED to plan the day in order to manage it. There are some that absolutely have to send a bag ahead because they are physically unable to carry it, therefore necessitating a reservation. And there are some who need to buy their ticket home...well, because they need to go home to meet life obligations. I walked after a mastectomy, would you have had me carry a heavy bag? I walked after breaking a bone in my foot, should I have simply not planned the alburgue to rest in certainty? I walked with a tumor in my knee, knowing I faced surgery two days after my return. Should I not have secured a ticket? In all reality pilgrims do carry a datebook...it's called the datebook of life.Apologies in advance as I am going to provide the shorter list of what a pilgrim, in my humble experience, is not.
A pilgrim is not;
1) A party every night kind of person. When the body needs rst, they give it rest.
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
The last point I need to take some time to explain.
A trip or vacation is never open ended. It is predictable. Rest, relaxation are the key goals. If consciousness can be broadened by exposure to new places and different people, great, but even in this context, it is somewhat predictable.
Knowing this is not for everyone, I cannot go on pilgrimage with a return ticket in my pocket. Two one ways, that is me. Reservations? No. A pilgrim will see no adventure, no spontaneity, definitely a major reduction in presetting things each day as they go.
"A pilgrim carries no datebook."
Some cannot fathom doing this. Sorry, I wish they could. What price, true freedom?
...
2) Plan every day into stages or distance. It is a pilgrimage, not a race.
3) Make albergue reservations. Really? The Adventure quotient just about disappeared.
4) Carrying a plane ticket home on a specific date. Just not the way a pilgrimage goes.
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Is a pilgrim satisfied?Your experience satisfies you. My experience satisfies me.
Is a pilgrim satisfied?
Is a pilgrim satisfied?
Hmmm.... Is a pilgrim unsatisfied?
Widening the gap: What constitutes pilgrim satisfaction?
Yes, very sad that a site which is for pilgrims cannot answer a pilgrim question about pilgrimage but instead seems to have led him/her to leave.Just realised the OP has gone
Unfortunately, these sorts of threads devolve into "true pilgrim" territory with too much judgement being passed by some. I saw the first follow up post by @Turga alluding to that.Yes, very sad that a site which is for pilgrims cannot answer a pilgrim question about pilgrimage but instead seems to have led him/her to leave.
It does not give a very good impression does it? All very friendly so long as the questions only relate to hiking/gear etc but not so good on pilgrimage questions any more. It really does make me feel sad.
Buen Camino to the OP if you actually read this
Unfortunately, these sorts of threads devolve into "true pilgrim" territory with too much judgement being passed by some
The "true pilgrims" and the "real pilgrims" are all just pilgrims -- simply with a qualifier in front, like "foot pilgrim", "horse pilgrim", "bike pilgrim".
Try not to see "judgment" where there isn't any.
On foot on bike on horse or your Buddy’s back on boat with a donkey or a dog or a cat with poles and braces in a chair with wheels or any kind of other wheeled transport.
With a book or flute or song with tears and blisters and pain bad mood good mood with smiles with frowns. Yes and rain sunshine wind coming from all directions mud and copplestone sand. Up and up and down down in snow or flood.
Did I forget anything......
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