- Time of past OR future Camino
- 2017 Camino Frances,
2019 C. Portuguese (inland).
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Nothing stays the same, there is always change, we have always had to deal with change, that is what is normal. Your next Camino should be like none other.
But we will do that with a different understanding of the context. If we do not, then we will repeat the problems of the past.
Rather, this is an opportunity to move our societies in a more positive direction, to a place where more people have more of those "good" things many of us associate with "normal". Make it new -- don't bring the old back. The world has changed.
Yes, this pandemic is a strange land. And it's been with us long enough for many thoughts to come up. There's been opportunity for much questioning, speculation, blaming and/or reaching out with compassion.I don’t think we ever will. I’m afraid things have changed for good. In some way, nearly everybody’s life has been touched and changed by this pandemic. Half a million lives lost, at best, and counting. Economies in strife. Livelihoods and businesses cut short. The future of our young ones compromised. All these things have very profound and lasting consequences. Sadly, unfortunately I can’t see us ever going back to normal, even with a cure, even with a vaccine. I guess I'm merely stating the obvious. I know this is a pessimistic view. I sincerely hope that I am wrong...... but our world has been fundamentally changed. I’m absolutely certain that my next Camino will be like none other.
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Can we not do both? Instruction about the mask on an airplane tells us to put on our own mask first if we are traveling with a child or other who needs help. There is only one person for whom we are totally responsible, our own self. I've known some dear souls who so wanted to "help" that they'd often bumble about because they tried too soon, without finding their own firm ground, and learning what was really needed. Right now, we do so need each other. Let's put on our own masks, and cut each other some slack, while looking for ways we may contribute to "the greater good".I like what you say but unfortunately it seems that we, as a whole, tend to think first of ourselves and act accordingly and not act to the benefit of humanity, which counteracts a general move towards “a better place”. We don’t have to look far to see examples of this “myself first”-behavior.
You've been forgiven! "Want" happens, so maybe it is an inextricable part of "normal", and therefore okay?Thanks for your question. I will take the word normal out for a walk with me now. Just a short walk. If I find a different answer than your own, or the other replies, I will let you know! I am both serious and joking. I need to be forgiven for my insistence on what I decide is normal. That is a side effect of what has been happening in many parts of the world as a result of this pandemic. So what I really want is to be pushed to remember that normal is a figment of my imagination. My normal must be tempered by yours. Maybe want is not the truth, perhaps need would make me a better world citizen!
Wise words, Elle.I agree that what is normal is only what we have been accustomed to, that which we cling to. The status quo has changed dear friends. The sooner we adjust to the new, the sooner the new will be normal.
Perhaps you are referring to Lleida? In which case it is part of Catalunya, not Galicia.When will we go back to normal? Judging by the fact that part of Galicia has gone back into lockdown, not soon.
Yes, I posted about it hereFrom today's news.
SPAIN’S NORTH-WESTERN GALICIA region today ordered the lockdown of 70,000 people amid fears of a fresh coronavirus outbreak, following a larger one in the northeast.
All residents of the town of La Marina, 140 kilometres east of La Coruna, will be unable to leave the vicinity and gatherings of more than ten people will be banned to limit the possibility of contagion.
I am praying for it, as I will not get into an airplane until there is a vaccine that is effective and safe. It may be awhile. My truck camper is primed and is seeing more adventure than in awhile!For argument's sake, let's just say a vaccine is discovered. A really effective and safe one. A veritable silver bullet, or kryptonite to the covid-19 virus. Suddenly travel and holiday opens up once again. People are itching to get out. To holiday and enjoy life. Businesses (like the popular Camino routes...yes, the Camino is one big business machine) open again and people are back at work and tourists and pilgrims return to France, Spain and Portugal. I would guess that the first two years would be different. A lot of caution on the parts of albergues, businesses and pilgrims, but after that the short term memory tendencies of humans kick in and I would guess that the Camino will be "normal" again, and what I mean by that is everyone acting like the pre covid-19 days.
Everything is in a state of flux, changing daily. Lockdowns are implemented, opened up and reintroduced as the need arises.Yes, I posted about it here
It affects parts of the Camino del Norte in Galicia, including Ribadeo, Mondodeño, and Lourenzá
Part of the "new normal" for the Camino will be paying closer attention to the news, so that you can alter your route/plans in case of lockdowns.
This scenario happened for quite a few pilgrims who were innocently walking in March...they were caught out unaware and had difficulty getting home when forced to abort their caminos.At the moment peligrinos need to consider many things.
What if you were walking through an area that introduced a lockdown while you were in the area?
What would you do if the Pandemic took hold again whilst you were abroad grounding your means of return again?
For me the portents are not positive.
No, I was referring to Galicia not Catalunya.Perhaps you are referring to Lleida? In which case it is part of Catalunya, not Galicia.
Very poetically written - I might have to steal the phrase "from the edge of strange into the heart of home"It is from such things and questions that Pilgrimage is made on ; as a journey seeking respite and solutions to the ongoing crisis that our lives are salvaged from ; in the first step and the last step and in every step along the Way towards that next tomorrow on the pathway that is made out of each and every single and unique today ; no escape, but a travel back from the edge of strange into the heart of home.
Will things be changed? Yes. Will things be the same. Yes. Some one, some the other. As I said in another thread, I am often heartened by remembering that my parents made it through the depression and WWII. Did those have profound and lasting consequences? Of course. But by the time I was born, people were having families, going out to restaurants, vacationing - in general living happy lives as people have always done. Going on the Camino, even (although that really took off a few years later).I don’t think we ever will. I’m afraid things have changed for good. In some way, nearly everybody’s life has been touched and changed by this pandemic. Half a million lives lost, at best, and counting. Economies in strife. Livelihoods and businesses cut short. The future of our young ones compromised. All these things have very profound and lasting consequences. Sadly, unfortunately I can’t see us ever going back to normal, even with a cure, even with a vaccine. I guess I'm merely stating the obvious. I know this is a pessimistic view. I sincerely hope that I am wrong...... but our world has been fundamentally changed. I’m absolutely certain that my next Camino will be like none other.
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I totally agreeI don’t think we ever will. I’m afraid things have changed for good. In some way, nearly everybody’s life has been touched and changed by this pandemic. Half a million lives lost, at best, and counting. Economies in strife. Livelihoods and businesses cut short. The future of our young ones compromised. All these things have very profound and lasting consequences. Sadly, unfortunately I can’t see us ever going back to normal, even with a cure, even with a vaccine. I guess I'm merely stating the obvious. I know this is a pessimistic view. I sincerely hope that I am wrong...... but our world has been fundamentally changed. I’m absolutely certain that my next Camino will be like none other.
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This virus isn't going away any time soon and I am certain it will get worse as winter approachesOK, this is a bit off topic but then it's precisely on topic. The Colorado School of Public Health and the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment have released a version of their modeling software to the public. cucovid19.shinyapps.io/colorado If you would like to see how fragile all of this is, play around with the parameters. There is every likelihood that this is going to explode again early in 2021. If I understand my fiddling around with the parameters, this whole thing depends largely on social distancing of the under 65 population.
Hi AnnetteTwo days ago, we were in St Ives' a little town in Cornwall with narrow streets.
The place was thronged with people so forget social distancing!!
Charlie and myself, apart from one other young girl were the only ones wearing a mask..could hardly believe it, so we just took off for the hills
we must make that normal. I surely plan to walk next year. I will not be held prisoner of my wants and life enjoyments.I don’t think we ever will. I’m afraid things have changed for good. In some way, nearly everybody’s life has been touched and changed by this pandemic. Half a million lives lost, at best, and counting. Economies in strife. Livelihoods and businesses cut short. The future of our young ones compromised. All these things have very profound and lasting consequences. Sadly, unfortunately I can’t see us ever going back to normal, even with a cure, even with a vaccine. I guess I'm merely stating the obvious. I know this is a pessimistic view. I sincerely hope that I am wrong...... but our world has been fundamentally changed. I’m absolutely certain that my next Camino will be like none other.
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Relating to those who have now left, or are heading out soon on the camino, I am sitting back to watch, wait, and see. They are the guinea pigs, so to speak, and although I wish them a successful journey, the final outcome is unknown...a roll of the dice.The question from the op is "when" we could be returning to normal?
I don't know the answer to that but as long as there are those that think the answer is now (or at least very soon) then I fear that lessons have not been learnt.
There may be indeed a new form of Camino coming along, and perhaps it can never be normal in the new normal whatever that may be. Have faith though, every Camino, as every day on the Camino, is different, but the laughter and sharing will, I am sure always exist. There is magic on the Camino, and the dust of dreams covers all those who walk. PatrickI don’t think we ever will. I’m afraid things have changed for good. In some way, nearly everybody’s life has been touched and changed by this pandemic. Half a million lives lost, at best, and counting. Economies in strife. Livelihoods and businesses cut short. The future of our young ones compromised. All these things have very profound and lasting consequences. Sadly, unfortunately I can’t see us ever going back to normal, even with a cure, even with a vaccine. I guess I'm merely stating the obvious. I know this is a pessimistic view. I sincerely hope that I am wrong...... but our world has been fundamentally changed. I’m absolutely certain that my next Camino will be like none other.
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Good point, @wayfarer.It is very important to get live updates from the various caminos at this time so it is also important that we don't criticise those who are walking when they post otherwise they may not.
TrueThe question from the op is "when" we could be returning to normal?
I don't know the answer to that but as long as there are those that think the answer is now (or at least very soon) then I fear that lessons have not been learnt.
have to disagree on this one BBPersonally I feel that it is too early to come out of lockdown. It would appear to need longer before some people get the message.
My parents also lived WWI, AND then WWII, the Korean War, and Vietnam. Me - started school in 1940. You can fill in the rest..............Will things be changed? Yes. Will things be the same. Yes. Some one, some the other. As I said in another thread, I am often heartened by remembering that my parents made it through the depression and WWII. Did those have profound and lasting consequences? Of course. But by the time I was born, people were having families, going out to restaurants, vacationing - in general living happy lives as people have always done. Going on the Camino, even (although that really took off a few years later).
This is a huge event in our lives and for the world. This will have lasting and profound consequences. But, at the end of the day, people will still be people. Life will resume, as will all of the things that give it meaning, purpose, and value. Thus it has always been.
I don’t think we ever will. I’m afraid things have changed for good. In some way, nearly everybody’s life has been touched and changed by this pandemic. Half a million lives lost, at best, and counting. Economies in strife. Livelihoods and businesses cut short. The future of our young ones compromised. All these things have very profound and lasting consequences. Sadly, unfortunately I can’t see us ever going back to normal, even with a cure, even with a vaccine. I guess I'm merely stating the obvious. I know this is a pessimistic view. I sincerely hope that I am wrong...... but our world has been fundamentally changed. I’m absolutely certain that my next Camino will be like none other.
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Wise words, Joe. We will have much to chat about tomorrow...all these things and more. I look forward to seeing you then!I am not sure normal is something that can easily be defined. Our lives change day to day and mostly so gradually that we hardly notice. The birth of a child, death of a loved one. Debilitating accidents or sickness. Others like wars, 9/11, Covid-19 cause more rapid changes in behavior. Remember long security lines at airports after 9/11, everyone hated them but now there are excepted as normal. This will be the same. We will either find a preventative vaccine or adapt to wearing masks and social distancing etc. etc.
We will adapt.
I love the positivity...a great attitude.Don’t fret, this isn’t the Camino’s first pandemic. It’s just ours! Things will change, but don’t they always?
Me tooThe situation is not hopeless. We have just been delayed for a while, weeks or months, or longer, whatever.
Of that I am sure.
When will we go back to normal? For me, the fact that I wake up every morning is a good start to normal and after that everything else is a bonus.
Yes Jane - I agree / no point in feeling sad all the time - just LIVEMy parents also lived WWI, AND then WWII, the Korean War, and Vietnam. Me - started school in 1940. You can fill in the rest..............
And, I agree with you about getting on with it. We need each other, war-war, and war on a virus. Just courtesy and consideration for others gets us a long way. "There is no 'other' or "we are all 'the other" Life has challenges, and joy, and we can tap in to a deep well within for whatever is needed to just LIVE!
For those of us who live on a modest budget, it doesn't hurt to put a fair bit of cash in our savings accounts right now, for a literal investment in our next caminos, which may be more expensive than the last.The major investments we all can make now are staying positive, and having patience.
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