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And the underlying message is this has nothing to do with a pandemic but everything to do with a holiday season.Yep it's all a load of ifs and buts. No dates given, no rules agreed. It looks like an agreement to have an agreement. Typical modern leadership, defer decisions but keep the overall wording of the message in agreement with what people want to hear. In the main people only listen to the bits they want to hear and ignore the underlying message.
Yep it's all a load of ifs and buts. No dates given, no rules agreed. It looks like an agreement to have an agreement. Typical modern leadership, defer decisions but keep the overall wording of the message in agreement with what people want to hear. In the main people only listen to the bits they want to hear and ignore the underlying message.
And the underlying message is this has nothing to do with a pandemic but everything to do with a holiday season.
Just heard the headline on NPR that Americans can enter EU starting this summer if they've been vaccinated, so hooray! But no word on entering UK--I knew I didn't like the idea of Brexit.I know there was just a post about France but this was just published in the New York Times a few minutes ago:
E.U. Set to Let Vaccinated U.S. Tourists Visit This Summer (Published 2021)
The head of the European Commission said the bloc would switch policy, under certain conditions, after more than a year of mostly banning nonessential travel.www.nytimes.com
I agree. There is a trade off and inevitable and foreseen.I guess it depends on how one look at it. One could say that it has everything to do with pandemic/public health and everything to do with holiday season/economics. The inevitable trade-off.
I agree...another factor which the governments must consider,as well as the traveler should reflect upon, before they travel!I agree. There is a trade off and inevitable and foreseen.
One of my concerns is that the status of your health for a return journey may not be the same as your inbound and what would happen then.
Well said.The EU leader, Ursula von der Leyen, in a direct interview with the New York Times from Brussels told them what they then accurately reported. Not rumour, not media guessing, a direct and clear statement from the EU leader.
This is the French President speaking - discussions with the White House re allowing vaccinated Americans into the EU once the EU have their EU vaccine passport, he thinks early May easing of restrictions.
This is not newspapers, not rumour - this is the French President speaking.
I think the intentions are clear. The tourist dependent parts of the EU wants tourists from the US if possible. But they have to have the caution in the statement to let people know that if the pandemic situation became more dangerous that you may have to change travel plans.She added that resumption of travel would depend “on the epidemiological situation, but the situation is improving in the United States, as it is, hopefully, also improving in the European Union.”
This is my plan as well—to choose a time after the initial wave of USA travelers. I happily wait until 2022.I personally will sit back a while longer and wait
Yes, this is exciting news! As of right now, the CDC requires a negative PCR test within three days of re-entry into the US, whether you have been vaccinated or not.I am very optimistic when I see what airlines have done on their portals to accept your vaccination data travel and assist with vaccination locations in Europe.
It's nice to point this out but not quite correct. Words can have more than one meaning in one language, and words that seem to look the same in two different languages can have a different primary meaning in each of these two languages, say in English and Spanish. Speakers and readers or listeners are usually able to understand this distinction and to understand the context, whether it is American or americano or européen.As a side note here, some people from the Americas find it offensive that people from the US get to be called Americans. Of course anybody from either of the north or south American continent is also an American. It’s the convention, and it may even be in most dictionary’s that way, but it’s incorrect.
Well, I agree that it’s the convention, So you’re technically correct.It's nice to point this out but not quite correct. Words can have more than one meaning in one language, and words that seem to look the same in two different languages can have a different primary meaning in each of these two languages, say in English and Spanish. Speakers and readers or listeners are usually able to understand this distinction and to understand the context, whether it is American or americano or européen.
For example, when Emmanuel Macron refers in an interview with CBS, where he speaks English, to plans to remove travel restrictions for European citizens, but as well for American citizens, I and most other people familiar with the context will understand what he means: citizens of the USA and citizens of the EU, and not people from the American continent and the European continent.
And so we have the full range of appropriate vocabulary in the international press today about von der Leyen's interview: US travelers, Amerikanen, Américains, Amerikaner, americani and estadounidenses.
Nice nurse at the Vaccination Centre on Saturday, "Don't lose your vaccination card". Tinker, "So I can prove I've been vaccinated?". Nurse, "No. Its so if you have a severe reaction we can get the Batch Number." I did wonder why they'd tattooed that "V" on my forehead....
Not a good idea to laminate a vaccine certificate until some authority says it is. Nothing screams "Hi, I'm a credential that can't be validated" like a laminated credential. Protective cover is great idea though.So, make sure not to loose your vaccination cards and laminate them or put them in a protective cover, I'd say.
Nothing unusual in my experience. For speakers of English in England (But you wouldn’t say Asian or Europeans when specifically referencing the residents of a particular country that’s part of the larger continent.
To me, they said: "Don't loose it. It's got the date of your second appointment on it". I and others in the vaccination centre were of the age where one may forget things.Nurse, "No. Its so if you have a severe reaction we can get the Batch Number."
I'm still hoping to go in 2021 at some point...I just don't wanna be the first horse out of the gate.This is my plan as well—to choose a time after the initial wave of USA travelers. I happily wait until 2022.
@CWBuff, I am so disappointed for you, but totally understand and relate to your decision. I do not want to play an emotional roller coaster either, so I am not preparing ahead of time myself, but hope to go this year.Well... Summer is sort of 'too far' for my plans (although if technically I was aiming to start last week of May - it somewhat could've worked).... I have firmly resolved that I cannot play this emotional game of "maybe yes maybe no)
Much as it saddens me - after 2 years of preparations and hoping and waiting... and Wishin' and thinkin' and prayin' (or something like that) I have officially pushed it for another year
Here is to goodbye of my old countdown
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I think what is really amazing is that the discussion is all about the US Americans as the rest of us do not exist.As a side note here, some people from the Americas find it offensive that people from the US get to be called Americans. Of course anybody from either of the north or south American continent is also an American. It’s the convention, and it may even be in most dictionary’s that way, but it’s incorrect.
Obviously that article is only referring to people from the US, not people from Ecuador or Brazil, for example.
This thread is about an interview given for a leading newspaper in the United States. It is only normal that it addresses issues of interest to their main readership, and they are in the USA.As Brazilian I am out of the picture and some of the vaccines we have here are not EU approved...
In fairness, the thread is specifically discussing a news article in the New York Times about travel possibilities for those from the US. I don’t disagree with your sentiments, though.I think what is really amazing is that the discussion is all about the US Americans as the rest of us do not exist.
I think the most helpful airline website I’ve seen is Iberia’s, but if you have seen others, @Marbe2, could you add them?
Iberia has a partnership with a lab, and you are able to set up a test all over Spain.
And there are testing centers in the Madrid, Sevilla, and Málaga airports with a 12 hour turnaround.
This is constantly changing, of course, but it does look like countries and airlines are really gearing up to facilitate travel.
What are the actual statistics to compare the number of visitors and value of tourism in Europe (and Spain in particular) from the US versus other origins?The truth is it's all about money as they are terrified to have another summer without US money.
I've seen plenty of discussions that are not about US citizens at all.ave you all seen any discussion that was not about US citizens ?
Thanks. So the idea that Spain is especially desperate for US visitors is off base. Even the "rest of America" provides more than double the number of visitors to Spain as the USA does.Here you go.
I think if we in the USA and Canada are surprised that we represent such a low percentage on the list of tourists who visit Spain, it is because we are interacting on this English speaking forum where we have quite a "presence". We do not really represent normal tourist vacation destinations to Spain; we are a specialized niche of travelers.Thanks. So the idea that Spain is especially desperate for US visitors is off base. Even the "rest of America" provides more than double the number of visitors to Spain as the USA does.
Nice, However, these numbers are for 2020 w/Covid, which certainly was not a normal year. I found a maybe more "normal" statistic, for 2016-2017-2018. You can study it here.Here you go. I wouldn't get to excited if I thought my money was the reason I'd be let in....
Well spotted, @alexwalkerNice, However, these numbers are for 2020 w/Covid, which certainly was not a normal year. I found a maybe more "normal" statistic, for 2016-2017-2018. You can study it here.
Rank | Country | 2018 |
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1 | 18,502,722 | |
2 | 11,414,481 | |
3 | 11,343,649 | |
4 | 4,382,503 | |
5 | 3,848,545 | |
6 | 2,949,710 | |
7 | 2,500,278 | |
8 | 2,346,405 | |
9 | 2,049,272 |
3.6% in 2018, 2.2% in 2020 the variance is less than the post 9/11 variance and compatible with the standard variance for all visitors -33%. Personally I was astounded by the volumes offered for 2020 until I remembered that lockdowns and travel restrictions didn’t really kick in till March/ April 2020.Nice, However, these numbers are for 2020 w/Covid, which certainly was not a normal year. I found a maybe more "normal" statistic, for 2016-2017-2018. You can study it here.
Remember, USA was banned from Europe for most of 2020, so the numbers for USA in 2020 are abnormly low.
Another reason why there is more talk about the possibility of travel restrictions being lifted for travellers from the USA and the UK but not so much talk about lifting restrictions for travellers from Brazil is the fact that, seen from here, Brazil is considered as an area of variant of concern. That is why Spain (not the EU!) prolonged again, a few days ago, their much stricter ban on flights from Brazil to Spain (see Orden PCM/378/2021).As Brazilian I am out of the picture
Well, I for one, am just happy that positive noises are being made about opening up travel.
Yes, it's so easy to get swept up in our hopes and dreams of our Caminos, especially as it has been a full year+ of the nightmare and waiting. Thanks for this reminder that it's not all about "us", but the broader picture.All this talk about opening up of travel is not as important to me as seeing the decline of Covid cases and deaths.
Straight from the horses mouth. We need to be careful and take heed. Thank you, Rebekah, for getting many of us to think and pause a bit.Yeah, Ursula is talking sunshine and butterflies.
You may be packed up and vaccinated and ready to roll, but here in Spain more than half of us (me, and most of the volunteer hospitaleros I count on) have not been vaccinated yet. Navarre is locked down, the city of Najera is at code-red full lockdown for the next ten days. People are still catching and spreading and dying from Covid-19 in Spain. This is STILL not a great place to come for your holidays, even if a politician in Belgium thinks otherwise.
Once the Camino opens up, the first few thousand through the gates had better leave all expectations at home. The camino will NOT be what you remember, or expect. There are going to be some mighty unhappy pilgrims for a while.
Just thinking about it is overwhelming to me. How are we gonna pull this off?
Well of course the only reason people are talking about travel is because there is a decline in Covid cases and deaths. It’s directly related. If the deaths and cases weren’t declining, nobody would be talking about travel.All this talk about opening up of travel is not as important to me as seeing the decline of Covid cases and deaths.
I do not quite understand your percentage calculations...3.6% in 2018, 2.2% in 2020 the variance is less than the post 9/11 variance and compatible with the standard variance for all visitors -33%. Personally I was astounded by the volumes offered for 2020 until I remembered that lockdowns and travel restrictions didn’t really kick in till March/ April 2020.
I'm not too sure. See @Rebekah Scott's post above.Well of course the only reason people are talking about travel is because there is a decline in Covid cases and deaths. It’s directly related. If the deaths and cases weren’t declining, nobody would be talking about travel.
Of course I saw that post. and I’m not going on any Camino if it’s still risky or I am unwanted.I'm not too sure. See @Rebekah Scott's post above.
There was evidence of a decline in India...But I think there’s evidence of a decline.
Me, too.There was evidence of a decline in India...
I get that people need to plan ahead, but a 2 week or 2 month decline can reverse. I'm waiting for long term data.
Ah, that's the catch ... it's obviously up to you to decide whether you want to come when they say that you are no longer barred from coming ... you (in the USA) may find yourselves in the same situation in which the French and the Germans and the Italians are right now: they can already fly to Spain ... but most of them won't, and for good reason. And even when they are already vaccinated.Personally, I’m not going anywhere near a red zone if I’m traveling. And I think people who do would be idiots. And Spain shouldn’t open up if it’s still like that.
Let us hope so. Personally, as a vaccinated old man (67), is am sitting still in the boat, monitoring the developments, knowing that, as a vaccinated, I have survived this disaster, and will go on for years. But I still wear a mask, for myself as well as others. It is not over until it's over.Today, on CNN, for the first time, I heard an epidemiologist, reputable expert, ( sorry, I did not get his name) , state Americans-who have been fully vaccinated, should be able to travel safely to The EU this summer!
Yeah, Ursula is talking sunshine and butterflies.
You may be packed up and vaccinated and ready to roll, but here in Spain more than half of us (me, and most of the volunteer hospitaleros I count on) have not been vaccinated yet. Navarre is locked down, the city of Najera is at code-red full lockdown for the next ten days. People are still catching and spreading and dying from Covid-19 in Spain. This is STILL not a great place to come for your holidays, even if a politician in Belgium thinks otherwise.
Once the Camino opens up, the first few thousand through the gates had better leave all expectations at home. The camino will NOT be what you remember, or expect. There are going to be some mighty unhappy pilgrims for a while.
Just thinking about it is overwhelming to me. How are we gonna pull this off?
3.6% in 2018, 2.2% in 2020 the variance is less than the post 9/11 variance and compatible with the standard variance for all visitors -33%. Personally I was astounded by the volumes offered for 2020 until I remembered that lockdowns and travel restrictions didn’t really kick in till March/ April 2020.
The original article said “over the summer”. There was no specific timeline offered.Summer, btw, begins on 21 June and ends on 22 September. That's what's "during this summer" means.
Yes the petulance of grammarians is a bit much. They’ll soon forget when the pestilence is over.Well... Summer is sort of 'too far' for my plans (although if technically I was aiming to start last week of May - it somewhat could've worked).... I have firmly resolved that I cannot play this emotional game of "maybe yes maybe no)
Much as it saddens me - after 2 years of preparations and hoping and waiting... and Wishin' and thinkin' and prayin' (or something like that) I have officially pushed it for another year
Here is to goodbye of my old countdown
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Thank you so much for that.Yeah, Ursula is talking sunshine and butterflies.
You may be packed up and vaccinated and ready to roll, but here in Spain more than half of us (me, and most of the volunteer hospitaleros I count on) have not been vaccinated yet. Navarre is locked down, the city of Najera is at code-red full lockdown for the next ten days. People are still catching and spreading and dying from Covid-19 in Spain. This is STILL not a great place to come for your holidays, even if a politician in Belgium thinks otherwise.
Once the Camino opens up, the first few thousand through the gates had better leave all expectations at home. The camino will NOT be what you remember, or expect. There are going to be some mighty unhappy pilgrims for a while.
Just thinking about it is overwhelming to me. How are we gonna pull this off?
I’m sorry. It wasn’t my intention at all. I quote part of a post to continue a line of the conversation, as replies in longer threads have a tendency to go in all directions. I’ll try to be more careful to avoid misunderstandings.quite sure why you so often make me wrong?
A reality check, hot off the press. “Brussels” isn’t so much leading as trying to catch up and keep the 27 countries on a common track: https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-european-commission-coronavirus-travel-rules/ - After von der Leyen suggests opening EU to US visitors, officials admit countries are already setting own measures.
This article is a summary of the EU Commission daily news conference, so fairly official. Note the von der Leyen's comments to the NYT are described as “premature” in the article.
A video of the full press briefing on 26 April is here and on YouTube here, from about 0:10:00 until about 00:51. As usual, the exchange between reporters and EU staff is done in either English or French.
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Frank Lloyd Wright used the word Usonian, but it hasn't caught on.I think the real problem is is that there’s not an easy way to say in one word that someone is from the United States. Usian?
I am quite a FLW fan (not of his lifestyle necessarily) and one of his residence designs is located just 15 miles from where I live...just saying.Frank Lloyd Wright used the word Usonian, but it hasn't caught on.
I also say that I'm from the US, which is often met with the reply of "oh, you're an American."Well, I agree that it’s the convention, So you’re technically correct.
And I said that in my post, that probably one of the meanings found in most dictionaries defines American as being a person from the United States. The New York Times used it in this article, and Ursala van der Leyden also used it in that manner.
But you wouldn’t say Asian or Europeans when specifically referencing the residents of a particular country that’s part of the larger continent.
I just pointed out that a lot of other people from the other countries in the Americas think that’s a wrong meaning. I learned this from personal experience while visiting central America. So I always try to say that I live in the United States, not that I’m an American.
You can also say your North American, which usually references Canadians and Americans, but excludes people from Mexico. Also doesn’t quite feel right to me.
I think the real problem is is that there’s not an easy way to say in one word that someone is from the United States. Usian?
Any ideas about Canadians?If you can not access the article here it is
BRUSSELS — American tourists who have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 will be able to visit the European Union over the summer, the head of the bloc’s executive body said in an interview with The New York Times on Sunday, more than a year after shutting down nonessential travel from most countries to limit the spread of the coronavirus.
The fast pace of vaccination in the United States, and advanced talks between authorities there and the European Union over how to make vaccine certificates acceptable as proof of immunity for visitors, will enable the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union, to recommend a switch in policy that could see trans-Atlantic leisure travel restored.
“The Americans, as far as I can see, use European Medicines Agency-approved vaccines,” Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said Sunday in an interview with The Times in Brussels. “This will enable free movement and the travel to the European Union.
“Because one thing is clear: All 27 member states will accept, unconditionally, all those who are vaccinated with vaccines that are approved by E.M.A.,” she added. The agency, the bloc’s drugs regulator, has approved all three vaccines being used in the United States, namely the Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Ms. von der Leyen did not offer a timeline on when exactly tourist travel might open up or details on how it would occur. But her comments are a top-level statement that the current travel restrictions are set to change on the basis of vaccination
She noted that the United States was “on track” and making “huge progress” with its campaign to reach so-called herd immunity, or the vaccination of 70 percent of adults, by mid-June.
She added that resumption of travel would depend “on the epidemiological situation, but the situation is improving in the United States, as it is, hopefully, also improving in the European Union.”
Diplomats from Europe’s tourist destination countries, mostly led by Greece, have argued for weeks that the bloc’s criteria for determining whether a country is a “safe” origin purely based on low cases of Covid-19 are fast becoming irrelevant given the progress of vaccination campaigns in the United States, Britain and some other countries.
Technical discussions have been going on for several weeks between European Union and United States officials on how to practically and technologically make vaccine certificates from each place broadly readable so that citizens can use them to travel without restrictions.
These discussions are continuing, officials in Brussels said, and it is possible that a low-tech solution would be used in the near future to enable people to travel freely on the basis of vaccination. For example, a traveler to Europe could get an E.U. vaccine-certificate equivalent on arrival after showing a bona fide certificate issued by his or her own government.
The hope, officials said, is that this step would soon be unnecessary as government-issued vaccine certificates issued by foreign governments would be acceptable and readable in the European Union, and vice versa.
The European Union itself has begun the process of furnishing its own citizens with “digital green certificates,” which will state whether the traveler has been vaccinated against Covid-19; has recovered from the disease in recent months; or has tested negative for the virus in the past few days. Europeans will be able to use those to travel without added restrictions, at least in principle, within the bloc of 27 nations.
Based on Ms. von der Leyen’s comments, the European Commission will recommend the change in travel policy, though individual member states may reserve the right to keep stricter limits. They might not permit citizens from outside the bloc to visit or might enforce restrictions like quarantines, even on visitors who have vaccination certificates.
But countries like Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal and Croatia that welcome millions of American tourists each summer, and greatly depend on them for income and jobs, are set to jump at the opportunity to reopen to the American tourism market with the E.U.’s blessing.
Until now, nonessential travel to the European Union has been officially banned with the exception of visitors from a short list of countries with very low caseloads of the virus, including Australia, New Zealand and South Korea.
Some E.U. countries have made small exceptions to permit visitors from outside the bloc. Greece, for example, said last week that it would open its borders to travelers from the United States starting Monday, provided they show proof of vaccination or a negative coronavirus test.
The visitors from the handful of countries that are officially permitted to visit the European Union under existing rules would normally still have to comply with various sets of requirements implemented on a country-by-country basis, including having a negative coronavirus test and following quarantine rules.
The return of vaccinated visitors to Europe’s beaches and tourist sites would bring a desperately needed financial boost for countries in its southern rim, in particular. And for millions of would-be tourists around the world, as well as for airlines and the broader travel industry, it would herald a cautious and limited return to something that feels like normalcy.
For Americans especially, it would also highlight a stark change in Covid-19 fortunes: going from undesirable in Europe a year ago, when the pandemic was raging in the United States, to being in the front of the line of global travelers free to resume leisure trips.
But the return of leisure travel to Europe on a bigger scale will also highlight the deepening inequality between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, both within countries and, particularly, on a global level. With India in the throes of the worst rise in coronavirus infections in the world, and with the past week’s global case total the highest since the pandemic began, that contrast could become even more jarring.
We met several Spaniards who pronounce "USA" as "OOsa." First time we heard that. So FLW may have something here with Usonian! Let's all get it going!Frank Lloyd Wright used the word Usonian, but it hasn't caught on.
Good point. I didn’t think of this myself. I started doing it because some Central Americans (Guatemalans, in this case) I met asked me to. I don’t always remember. And it’s difficult, and doesn’t really work perfectly.I also say that I'm from the US, which is often met with the reply of "oh, you're an American."
I do realize that every resident of the Americas can technically be referred to as an American, but as far as I know the United States of America is the only with the word America in its name.
I think we’re on the red list everywhere at this particular moment in time.Any ideas about Canadians?
Yes, we are the same as everyone else - waiting to see how the policies change. At the moment we are either not allowed or it is advised to not travel almost anywhere. Changes will depend on all the same factors - the situation in the receiving country and the situation here in Canada - and we don't know how/when that will change.Any ideas about Canadians?
As a good Lutheran, I stand on a Diet of Worms..... but I like cheeseThe early bird gets the worm; the second mouse gets the cheese.
I have had too many wonderful camino days to let my hopes and expectations rule —and end with disappointment. Patience here.
When I'm in a Spanish speaking company I say "soy estadounidense," and quite often they still refer to me as Americana.Good point. I didn’t think of this myself. I started doing it because some Central Americans (Guatemalans, in this case) I met asked me to. I don’t always remember. And it’s difficult, and doesn’t really work perfectly.
I really ended up just expressing this because one of the first few words in that New York Times article were Americans, and for a second I wasn’t sure who they were talking about. I was just offering information for contemplation. He/she/they, and all that.
I’m happy to refer to people as they wish.
Thank you!Yes, we are the same as everyone else - waiting to see how the policies change. At the moment we are either not allowed or it is advised to not travel almost anywhere. Changes will depend on all the same factors - the situation in the receiving country and the situation here in Canada - and we don't know how/when that will change.
I’ll start with an apology because I haven’t read all the posts above....
As I see it, yes we may be allowed (by our own countries) to travel to another country (if they will have us) but....(imo) it is for holiday makers, who travel to one place for one week or maybe two and stay there!
As pilgrims, walking from one area to another.... it is different.
We don’t know yet if Spain (or Italy for the Via Francigena) will allow travel from one region to another...
I’ll start with an apology because I haven’t read all the posts above....
As I see it, yes we may be allowed (by our own countries) to travel to another country (if they will have us) but....(imo) it is for holiday makers, who travel to one place for one week or maybe two and stay there!
As pilgrims, walking from one area to another.... it is different.
We don’t know yet if Spain (or Italy for the Via Francigena) will allow travel from one region to another...
And so it continues.... the 'previous' deadline approaches and the next one immediately springs into life.Meanwhile, the Spanish government prolonged their entry ban today and will not allow Americans to travel to Spain unless they have a compelling reason, and camino pilgrimage is not one of them.
.....The ban will last until 24:00 hours on 31 May 2021, ....
This decision is not inconsistent with opening the country for the summer!.And so it continues.... the 'previous' deadline approaches and the next one immediately springs into life.Don't get me wrong - I am not ranting about Spanish Government here and what they do; I am merely pointing out that one simply cannot be "too optimistic" and think that it will be over reasonably shortly. It will not.
I see, in some way, the repeat of last summer. Those who live in EU probably will be able to make the Pilgrimage, but anyone from US will have to stay put, sad and frustrating as it is and may be for us
The fact that there are people who cannot receive the vaccine because of legitimate health reasons makes it more imperative that the rest of us get it to help protect them!the groups of people who can’t have the vaccine for legitimate health reasons are likely to be small, and not amount to a large enough group to prevent “herd immunity”)
The USA is the only country that specifically includes the geographic locus "America" in its formal name. Other countries on the two American continents have not chosen to do so, and thus have to a certain extent abdicated the logic of complaining that the USA has unilaterally appropriated the name America. If and when Chile becomes "The United Chilean Provinces of America" they will, of course, have a valid argument. Fretting over national nomenclature is, in any case, a pretty pedantic pursuit. I lived in Mexico for two years and in Bolivia for another two and never heard any complaints about the usage of "American" to exclusively refer to citizens of the USA, even from the leftist students I ran around with in Zacatecas. The official name of Mexico is "Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos" but on the rare formal occasion they use the term "estadounidense" it refers to US citizens, not themselves. Likewise Mexicans sometimes use "noretamericano" to refer to US citizens (never Canadians in my experience) ignoring the fact that both they themselves and Canadians should be identified that way. So I don't think I'd vest too much energy in trying to find either moral justice or logic in national nomenclature.Well, I agree that it’s the convention, So you’re technically correct.
And I said that in my post, that probably one of the meanings found in most dictionaries defines American as being a person from the United States. The New York Times used it in this article, and Ursala van der Leyden also used it in that manner.
But you wouldn’t say Asian or Europeans when specifically referencing the residents of a particular country that’s part of the larger continent.
I just pointed out that a lot of other people from the other countries in the Americas think that’s a wrong meaning. I learned this from personal experience while visiting central America. So I always try to say that I live in the United States, not that I’m an American.
You can also say your North American, which usually references Canadians and Americans, but excludes people from Mexico. Also doesn’t quite feel right to me.
I think the real problem is is that there’s not an easy way to say in one word that someone is from the United States. Usian?
Yes, I neglected to mention this but it is a (and ultimately “the”) critical driver to motivate and, in a civilized world, require immunization to reach herd immunity.The fact that there are people who cannot receive the vaccine because of legitimate health reasons makes it more imperative that the rest of us get it to help protect them!
Thank you for addressing this. I too notice that more often than not, the discussion around who will be allowed to travel and get on a Camino seem to favour "Americans" over everyone else. As if the rest of the world who is working hard at getting vaccinated (or at least trying) do not exist. I know its not the intent, but it does come across as if the only way tourism will survive is if Americans can be allowed to do it. Just show some compassion and awareness when you post about how your country is getting a privilege many more do not yet have. That to me, is the spirit of the Camino and speaks to all of us hoping to have some normalcy and a long walk to heal sooner than later <3I think what is really amazing is that the discussion is all about the US Americans as the rest of us do not exist.
The truth is it's all about money as they are terrified to have another summer without US money.
As Brazilian I am out of the picture and some of the vaccines we have here are not EU approved, although approved by WHO.
I have had already two shots and I am ok... but... no one even think about letting us in.
Sad and discriminatory.
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