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I am packed for a dec 1 start. I have a slightly larger pack, but have done a lot of backpacking, and think you are missing a thin long underwear layer (wool or polypropylene) to go under your pants in dry cold weather; and you need two decent warm layers in addition to your rain layer. Maybe your awesome sweatshirt is a good first one, but it needs to be thin and non cotton; and you need a thin down layer like the Patagonia micro puff. Do you need the poncho in addition to rain pants and jacket and pack cover? Enjoy!!
Don't take that sweatshirt if it is cotton! Take fleece or a puffy.
Suggest merino instead of fast drying t-shirts if they are synthetic.
I'd take an extra pair of regular socks in lieu of the thick socks.
You could spray your pack and sleeping bag against bedbugs before you leave.
I would actually take some microspikes if I was waking at this time but only the very very lightest version.
By sandals I imagine you mean something like crocs or filpflops.
I wouldn't take:
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Someone will probably tell you to ditch some of your underwear and double-ups, but having just had trouble getting things dry in October, I can see the wisdom in having too many socks.
?Deodorant?Thanks! Running thights seem light and compact, so I can definitely throw one in.
My planned method of layering is t-shirt, followed by long-sleeved t-shirt, followed by the sweatshirt (it's 100% polyester, I'm fairly certain it's this model https://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISSTECH-Mens-Jacket-Size-3XL-XXXL-Swiss-Tech-Pre-Owned-EUC-/372433860590), followed by the rein/winter jacket. Everything is synthetic. If it was too cold, I was going to throw another long-sleeved shirt on top of the first. I know t-shirt+long-sleved shirt+sweatshirt combo alone works fine to around 0C/32F, but the top jacket is new so I need to test it when it finally gets cold here.
As for the poncho, I don't really know if I need it. I've never been in Spain and I don't know how strong or frequent the rain is in January and February. The snow doesn't bother me, the rain does.
Thanks! I'm not sure how cold it actually gets on the Camino, but I'll probably add a fleece shirt. As for the socks, I'm in a weird situation with them as I need compression socks during daytime, but can't use them for sleeping. 3 pairs of walking socks will probably be fine, though throwing in extras would be great.
I was kinda scared about the bed bug situation, but if the danger is minimal and I can only get away with spraying the sleeping bag and the pack, that would be awesome!
The microspikes I thought about weight only 5oz/0.15kg and are cheap enough that I can ditch or donate them somewhere. I just don't know how slippery the trail can be. And yes, I meant something like flipflops.
Thanks! I like the headlight as both emergency, walking aid early morning or in the evening, and while going to the bathroom at night, though I probably don't need to take extra batteries for it (I assume there's plenty of places selling them on the way). My phone will be my GPS, map and camera and the power drain might be stronger during winter, so I feel a compact power bank is important.
As usual, thank you for all the great feedback!
Besides the balaklava a warm knitted "beanie" hat which covers yours ears can be handy; on really cold nights you may even wear it to bunk/bed in an unheated albergue!!
?Deodorant?
I would be interested to know how much all this weighs?????After researching what people here carried on similar trips, what is available in my area and what I have found so far useful, this is my current packing list. I plan to start walking sometime in January from Pamplona and plan to reach Santiago within 30 days, so any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I will also fly in and want to keep all my gear as a carry-on, so I'm limited by volume and weight.
I'll carry items marked with * on my back.
30L Backpack*
Rain cover for the backpack
Footwear:
1* pair of my favorite Gore-Tex approach shoes (the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned)
1 pair orsandalsflipflops
1 pair of microspikes (if there is space in the backpack)
1 pair of gaiters
2+1* pairs of walking socks
1 pair of sleeping socks
1 pair of thicker socks (if there is space in the backpack)
Clothes (most fit in a 10L stuff sack)
1+1* fast-drying t-shirts
1 fast-drying t-shirt for sleeping
1+1* runner's long-sleeve shirt (can go on top of the t-shirt)
1* sweatshirt-type layer that I've been using for years and is awesome
1* winter rainjacket (both warm and protects from rain)
2+1* pairs of underwear
1* hiking pants
1 water-resistant pants (can go on top of the hiking pants for added warmt)
1 balaklava
1 gloves
1 rain poncho? (how strong is the rain on the trail in January?)
ADDED: 1 pair of running thights
ADDED: 1 fleece shirt
ADDED: 1 light hat
Sleeping Stuff
1 Ultralight sleeping down bag rated for 0C/32F
1 bag liner
Something against bed bugs??(I guess I was just too scared)
Electronics (in a ziplock bag)
1* phone
1 phone charger with cable
1 headlight
1 set of extra batteries for headlight
1 power bank for charging the phone with its cable
First Aid and Hygiene (in a ziplock bag)
1 toothbrush
1 travel size toothpaste
1 soap
1 dental floss
1 very light microfiber towel
A handful of ibuprofen
Lip balm
Some vaseline or something similar
Bandaid
Needle
Lighter
Emergency blanket
ADDED: 1 small, travel-size deodorant
ADDED: Some earplugs
Ziplock bags for the Camino credentials, ets.
Any feedback will be appreciated! Let me know if I miss something!
Thanks! I thought a hat and a balaklava might be redundant. How cold was the coldest you experienced on the Camino? Also, I was looking at your equipment list while I was creating my list
I would be interested to know how much all this weighs?????
After researching what people here carried on similar trips, what is available in my area and what I have found so far useful, this is my current packing list. I plan to start walking sometime in January from Pamplona and plan to reach Santiago within 30 days, so any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I will also fly in and want to keep all my gear as a carry-on, so I'm limited by volume and weight.
I'll carry items marked with * on my back.
30L Backpack*
Rain cover for the backpack
Footwear:
1* pair of my favorite Gore-Tex approach shoes (the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned)
1 pair orsandalsflipflops
1 pair of microspikes (if there is space in the backpack)
1 pair of gaiters
2+1* pairs of walking socks
1 pair of sleeping socks
1 pair of thicker socks (if there is space in the backpack)
Clothes (most fit in a 10L stuff sack)
1+1* fast-drying t-shirts
1 fast-drying t-shirt for sleeping
1+1* runner's long-sleeve shirt (can go on top of the t-shirt)
1* sweatshirt-type layer that I've been using for years and is awesome
1* winter rainjacket (both warm and protects from rain)
2+1* pairs of underwear
1* hiking pants
1 water-resistant pants (can go on top of the hiking pants for added warmt)
1 balaklava
1 gloves
1 rain poncho? (how strong is the rain on the trail in January?)
ADDED: 1 pair of running thights
ADDED: 1 fleece shirt
ADDED: 1 light hat
Sleeping Stuff
1 Ultralight sleeping down bag rated for 0C/32F
1 bag liner
Something against bed bugs??(I guess I was just too scared)
Electronics (in a ziplock bag)
1* phone
1 phone charger with cable
1 headlight
1 set of extra batteries for headlight
1 power bank for charging the phone with its cable
First Aid and Hygiene (in a ziplock bag)
1 toothbrush
1 travel size toothpaste
1 soap
1 dental floss
1 very light microfiber towel
A handful of ibuprofen
Lip balm
Some vaseline or something similar
Bandaid
Needle
Lighter
Emergency blanket
ADDED: 1 small, travel-size deodorant
ADDED: Some earplugs
Ziplock bags for the Camino credentials, ets.
Any feedback will be appreciated! Let me know if I miss something!
Your list looks fine and the final small things can be decided before you leave.
The one major thing that I am concerned about is the 30 L backpack.
I take it that you are a somewhat petit person?
A winter camino requires heavier and more clothing than in the other three seasons.
To fit all that into a rather small space can be a challenge.
But I am also in the group of pilgrims that rather want a little to big backpack and extra space, than the smalles possible.
I haven't done a winter camino but have walked up to early December and started in early March, so I go prepared for anything! I carry a 31L pack (Osprey Talon in the S-M size). It is quite full, but I have everything I need inside.
Winter rain jacket
Flip flops
Fleece shirt - What is this for? You have several light layers already. I would take a puffy down vest, instead.
Thicker socks
Balaclava - You might consider a merino wool buff and a hat, instead of the balaclava, for more flexibility. Another thing I need is some sort of visor (visor, baseball cap or brimmed sun hat all work) to wear under my rain hood, to keep the miserable rain off my glasses and face.
Sweatshirt type layer - Is this top and pants? If it includes pants, see my comment below. The hood is redundant if you have a hat and buff (which give more versatility).
Runners tights - If these are for additional insulation or sleeping, you can probably get a lighter weight long-underwear version. If the "sweatshirt type layer" includes pants, you can use them instead.
Gloves - Take wool, so they'll be warmer when wet.
You didn't mention poles. I wouldn't walk any Camino without them, but I use them at home only when I walk where there might be icy patches, so they might be more useful that the microspikes. I can pull my sleeves down to cover my hands even when using poles, but I have thought about getting cheap kitchen rubber gloves to wear when using my poles in the rain. They would be cheap and readily available on the Camino.
I'd recommend taking a dry bag or 2 (or 3) although I admit that they take up some precious space.
I have walked a winter Camino the Frances route through 14 days of snow and the rest were rain, sleet and hail, only 6 days of sunshine. I use a 38 liter pack and the average weight including water and snacks about 12 lbs. I wear a set of clothes and pack one. I use smart wool socks with a silk liner and never a blister. 1 light weight fleece, 2 smart wool pull overs 1 long sleeve and 1 short, 1 quick dry button shirt for simulated dress up for nice restaurants if I need it, only wore it 2x my wife insisted. A light rain jacket and thrown in rain pants, only wore them 2x got too warm. 2 quick dry pants. anything you need or forget you can purchase there.
Strongly suggest that you don't hang anything off your pack if you are short of space! It will be cumbersome, get wet, possibly freeze and be at risk for being lost en route. If it doesn't fit inside you need a bigger pack.Thanks for the many great tips!
The winter rain jacket isn't as thick as my regular winter jackets. It provides warmth, but it's not too heavy. It does take space if I try to cram it in the pack, but I might be able to rig it hanging from the pack when not in use.
The "flip flops" will be something I can wear under the shower or around the albergue with socks. I don't have it yet, but it will be something super light and probably cheap.
I don't know how cold it gets on the Camino in January. All the weather information gives me relatively mild minimum temperatures (around 0C), which will be warm for my t-shirt + 2x long-sleeve top shirt + sweatshirt + jacket. I don't know if I really need another layer and it's not cold enough over here to test. Any feedback is greatly appreciated!
I thought the thicker socks to be for the albergue and as an extra sock on top of my usual walking socks in case my feet are super cold. I can't wear 2 pairs of my walking socks because they are compression socks.
The sweatshirt layer is actually more like a jacket, but I couldn't find a proper word for it. It doesn't have a hood or pants and it's this model (but much smaller size) https://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISSTECH-Mens-Jacket-Size-3XL-XXXL-Swiss-Tech-Pre-Owned-EUC-/372433860590
The runner tights are mostly a placeholder for a long underwear I can use for sleeping or it gets so cold my hiking pants and rain pants can't handle. Though again I have no realistic idea of how cold it can get.
I've thought long about taking trekking poles, but there is no way for me to get them through the airport security. I'll probably get a cheap pair from Pamplona or a walking stick to be like the real pilgrims.
The idea about the dry bags sounds really good. They don't really take that much space cause they can be rolled and stored in the mesh side pockets. They can also work as extra rain covers.
After researching what people here carried on similar trips, what is available in my area and what I have found so far useful, this is my current packing list. I plan to start walking sometime in January from Pamplona and plan to reach Santiago within 30 days, so any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I will also fly in and want to keep all my gear as a carry-on, so I'm limited by volume and weight.
I'll carry items marked with * on my back.
30L Backpack*
Rain cover for the backpack
Footwear:
1* pair of my favorite Gore-Tex approach shoes (the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned)
1 pair orsandalsflipflops
1 pair of microspikes (if there is space in the backpack)
1 pair of gaiters
2+1* pairs of walking socks
1 pair of sleeping socks
1 pair of thicker socks (if there is space in the backpack)
Clothes (most fit in a 10L stuff sack)
1+1* fast-drying t-shirts
1 fast-drying t-shirt for sleeping
1+1* runner's long-sleeve shirt (can go on top of the t-shirt)
1* sweatshirt-type layer that I've been using for years and is awesome
1* winter rainjacket (both warm and protects from rain)
2+1* pairs of underwear
1* hiking pants
1 water-resistant pants (can go on top of the hiking pants for added warmt)
1 balaklava
1 gloves
1 rain poncho? (how strong is the rain on the trail in January?)
ADDED: 1 pair of running thights (if there is space in the bag)
ADDED: 1 fleece shirt(I don't think I really need it)
ADDED: 1 light hat
Sleeping Stuff
1 Ultralight sleeping down bag rated for 0C/32F
1 bag liner
Something against bed bugs??(I guess I was just too scared)
Electronics (in a ziplock bag)
1* phone
1 phone charger with cable
1 headlight
1 set of extra batteries for headlight
1 power bank for charging the phone with its cable
First Aid and Hygiene (in a ziplock bag)
1 toothbrush
1 travel size toothpaste
1 soap
1 dental floss
1 very light microfiber towel
A handful of ibuprofen
Lip balm
Some vaseline or something similar
Bandaid
Needle
Lighter
Emergency blanket
ADDED: 1 small, travel-size deodorant
ADDED: Some earplugs
ADDED: Cord
ADDED: A handful of safety pins
ADDED: A nailclipper
ADDED: Small Bic lighter
Ziplock bags for the Camino credentials, ets.
ADDED: 1 40L plastic bag
ADDED: Extra stuff sack
ADDED: The little rock to give away my burdens at Cruz de Ferro
Any feedback will be appreciated! Let me know if I miss something!
You pack mule is going to die carrying all that .... lol Put everything in your pack then take half of it out ... now you're ready. Two Camino de Frances in 11 months, wife and I left a lot of articles, clothing and footwear along the Way. First Camino my pack was about 22kg ,second Camino 9kgBTW, we were minimalist backpackers whereby you need to carry everything in and out ... Frances you don't need to.
Buen Camino
Just came back from the camino. Someone lost his sleeping bag dangling from his pack. There were plenty of fallen trees to snag stuff off packs. A bigger pack to hold everything in would be a good idea. Snow is not a big problem unless it's several feet deep and you have no snow shoes or skis. Yes it gets that deep. Your gaiters should be the kind with underboot straps to keep snow out of your pant legs and boots. Snow also covers waymarks and there are times when and spots where you will have no wi fi/satellite reception so your GPS won't help you. Cell phones also can die on you. You need to have a good sense of your route and a good sense of direction. A simple non-electronic compass may be a good idea. You are more likely to have sleet than rain. So yes trekking poles are good to have. Poncho ventilates better than a rain jacket. With a long enough poncho and long gaiters you wont need rain pants.
There's not a thing to add or take away from your inventory, well I always take ziplock poly bags and keep small stuff in them -like phone, wallet, passport.
I would add laundry soap and a universal sink stopper.
I would be interested to know how much all this weighs?????
You pack mule is going to die carrying all that .... lol
I just packed the backpack and measured it together. Everything but the microspikes, gaiters and fliflops come to about 5kg/11.5lb. I can probably shave another 0.5lb if I do small things like cutting labels and straps or take off some covers.
That sounds good.just packed the backpack and measured it together. Everything but the microspikes, gaiters and fliflops come to about 5kg/11.5lb.
Any feedback will be appreciated! Let me know if I miss something
I dont know if you missed something. Your list looks comprehensive. As you wish to keep everything to 8 kg, you may have a series of take or leave decisions in the near future.
My observation is quite different.
For the things you may/will need to access during the walking day, do you have external pockets they can be stuff into. The purpose is to minimise the number of times you have to open your pack, find what you want, repack and close. This can be time consuming and creates a window of opportunity to leave something behind.
Kia kaha (take care, be strong, get going)
got it down to about 5kg without water and snacks
You choose your backpack by your torso length, not your overall height. There are lots of sites that tell you how to measure your torso.@C clearly - your replies are allways of great use!
I just ran into the Osprey brand of backpack and noticed they all fit me like a glove.
Now I had to make a decision which type... And there you mention you have an Osprey 31 litre. May I ask how tall you are? I don’t know if I have to choose the S/M or the M/L, talon 33. I am 1.68 high.
Thanks for your thoughts again
I know, thank you. Most of the osprey packs are, don’t know how you call that in English ... changable, adjustable. But I can imagine that the back of someone who measures 1.90m is different from someone who is 1.50m. While 1.70 and 1.65 not much will differ. That’s why I asked. The adjustability has a max ofcourse, and for the measurement I am at m. So do I need m/l or s/m ...You choose your backpack by your torso length, not your overall height. There are lots of sites that tell you how to measure your torso.
Found it! Go to SIZING AND FITTING and scroll downwards.Adjustable is the perfect word!
Osprey have a table somewhere - you just need a friend with a tape measure or take a look at their PACK SIZING APP. Never used it myself but may be of some help.
Here's the CHART but I haven't found the instructions - something about measuring down from the C7 vertebrae in your neck to your hips.
Thank you so much - very helpfull!Found it! Go to SIZING AND FITTING and scroll downwards.
I thought I had posted this yesterday but now see it sitting here so I'll post it even though you have got good advice since...@C clearly - your replies are allways of great use!
I just ran into the Osprey brand of backpack and noticed they all fit me like a glove.
Now I had to make a decision which type... And there you mention you have an Osprey 31 litre. May I ask how tall you are? I don’t know if I have to choose the S/M or the M/L, talon 33. I am 1.68 high.
Thanks for your thoughts again
Thank you! I have no clue what 5 6” is in metric tbhKarin: I have the Sirrus 36 and LOVE it! S/m size; I am 5 6”. Arguably my pack is on the heavy side, (10kgs ish) but I am on the trail now and have everything I need to keep clean and dry and warm! It has all the features I wanted.
Thread for your needle, and some antibacterial ointment.After researching what people here carried on similar trips, what is available in my area and what I have found so far useful, this is my current packing list. I plan to start walking sometime in January from Pamplona and plan to reach Santiago within 30 days, so any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I will also fly in and want to keep all my gear as a carry-on, so I'm limited by volume and weight.
I'll carry items marked with * on my back. Underlined stuff is something I need to get.
30L Backpack*
Rain cover for the backpack
Footwear:
1* pair of my favorite Gore-Tex approach shoes (the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned)
1 pair orsandalsflipflops
1 pair of microspikes (if there is space in the backpack)
1 pair of gaiters
2+1* pairs of walking socks
1 pair of sleeping socks
1 pair of thicker socks (if there is space in the backpack)
Clothes (most fit in a 10L stuff sack)
1+1* fast-drying t-shirts
1 fast-drying t-shirt for sleeping
1+1* runner's long-sleeve shirt (can go on top of the t-shirt)
1* sweatshirt-type layer that I've been using for years and is awesome
1* winter rainjacket (both warm and protects from rain)
2+1* pairs of underwear
1* hiking pants
1 water-resistant pants (can go on top of the hiking pants for added warmt)
1 balaklava
1 gloves
1 rain poncho? (how strong is the rain on the trail in January?)
ADDED: 1 pair of running thights
ADDED: 1 fleece or down shirt
ADDED: 1 light hat
Sleeping Stuff
1 Ultralight sleeping down bag rated for 0C/32F
1 bag liner
Something against bed bugs??(I guess I was just too scared)
Electronics (in a ziplock bag)
1* phone
1 phone charger with cable
1 headlight
1 set of extra batteries for headlight
1 power bank for charging the phone with its cable
ADDED: 1 Tiny (probably <0.25oz) red blinking light for the backpack when walking on road at night
First Aid and Hygiene (in a ziplock bag)
1 toothbrush
1 travel size toothpaste
1 soap
1 dental floss
1 very light microfiber towel
A handful of ibuprofen
Lip balm
Some vaseline or something similar
Bandaid
Needle
Lighter
Emergency blanket
ADDED: 1 small, travel-size deodorant
ADDED: Some earplugs
ADDED: Cord
ADDED: A handful of safety pins
ADDED: A nailclipper
ADDED: Small Bic lighter
Ziplock bags for the Camino credentials, ets.
ADDED: 1 40L plastic bag
ADDED: Extra stuff sack
ADDED: The little rock to give away my burdens at Cruz de Ferro
TOTAL WEIGHT (without underlined items): 5kg/11.5lb
Any feedback will be appreciated! Let me know if I miss something!
Good list and nicely organized! I assume this includes what you are wearing. If so, what pants do you plan to wear in the evening if your hiking pants are wet? (Maybe only the thermals, or thermals plus rain pants if necessary. I've done that before!). Also on your feet when your shoes are wet? If you need to drop something, I'd say 1 of the 3 quick-drying shirts, or the sleeping bag liner (if you trust your sleeping bag's rating) or the cord (although that might be useful around the poncho). I agree with the 2 pairs of gloves.
It's great that you field tested your kit and are comfortable with it. I bought some XXL dish washing gloves from a supermercado when I was on the Frances this last time to wear over my fleece liners in the rain (or possible sleet). They worked great to keep my hands drier and warmer ... they still sweated because of the vapor barrier.
I have been using Lighter Pack to inventory and weigh my kit for my planned Camino Portuguese in the spring.
¡Buena suerte!
To maximize on space may I suggest that you "Ranger Roll" your clothes - see HERE for a tee-shirt, there are others for jackets, trousers etc. For female briefs I'm told THIS is very effective (you have daughters you learn by osmosis). Personally I wear boxers (I know, too much information) so go for the SKIVVY ROLL - a whole day's wardrobe in one place.
Glad to be of assistance. Some people worry about the elastic in the socks stretching but they're usually only like it for a day or so. I used to carry a skivvyroll in my car (it's not unknown for me to get soaking wet and muddy on construction sites) and I once found one that must have been rolled for at least a couple of months. Didn't seem to have hurt them.Wow, just wow! Thank you so much - these methods are a miracle! I went for 2x skivvy rolls, packaging a pair of hiking socks, boxers and a shirt inside an evening sock so I can have an entire set of base layers all organized. I did the same with the thermal and rain pants. I re-folded the long-sleve shirt using the Ranger Roll as well. All my spare clothing fits into a 10L stuff sack with enough space to put my electronics pouch in it as well. It literally reduced the volume of my stuff by at least 40%.
Would recommend 10 out of 10 times.
I'd suggest three pairs of thicker socks, and forget the others.
Balaclava I can't comment upon, but if you need it, go for it !!
Long-sleeved t-shirts if it's just winter without spring, +1 short sleeved one for sunny days -- if you need a second of the latter, just get it there !!
You're missing a 100% woollen jumper -- yes, they're heavy as a ton, but necessary for winter hiking.
You'll also need a woollen scarf, though even just a lightweight trendy metro cashmere one should be sufficient.
Traditional woollen pilgrim capes are surprisingly effective against both rain and cold, but it might be too short notice for you to consider getting one -- though they're also very heavy, which might not be what you want ; some minimal training is also needed to get used to them.
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Yes, I'm proposing huge extra weight ; but really, against the cold, only thick, heavy clothing ever really does the trick.
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Oh !! and a Swiss Army knife or similar, instead of some other items on your list.
And besides, if you use merino (wool) as your main layer it will dry overnight in the albergue anyway. So will the socks if you work at it. When I did it last I wore one set of clothes during the day, washed them that evening and they were dry the next day always. So it can be done. Ended up ditching my clothes line rope as didn't use it at all.Strongly suggest that you don't hang anything off your pack if you are short of space! It will be cumbersome, get wet, possibly freeze and be at risk for being lost en route. If it doesn't fit inside you need a bigger pack.
5kg ? ,only if you're a size 0 petite female who weighs 20kg
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