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Hi, Reb, I don't know anything about the details. And I don't know who Hugo is. The re-routing had to do with getting off asphalt and into the mountains. The day from La Robla was gruesome on the route I walked. I remember Ender telling me that there were albergues opening in some of the towns, municipally owned and operated, but I think I need to email him to see what this is all about. I will report back, thanks for the nudge.Did Ender say why he re-routed the path? What does the Asociacion say about that? Which is the original route walked by Hugo? Does anyone know? Does this new route offer better conditions to contemporary pilgrims?
I have written to Ender and will let you know what I hear from him. In the meantime, a little google surfing has brought me to a web page that explains that this route is actually the historical one. It follows the path detailed in a document written in Latin in 902 (that's pretty early for pilgrims walking to Santiago, no?) and was translated to bable or whatever they were speaking in that area in 1002. This is a couple of centuries before the Codex, I think. The author explains that the camino took some more circuituous routes through mountains to avoid the Moors, and that of course became unnecessary after the Reconquest, explaining why the camino would have fallen out of favor as a way to get to Santiago.
http://rsas0010.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Guía del Viejo Camino de Santiago en la provincia de León
There also seems to be some movement on the albergue front, one in Igüeña seems to be in the works.
I have gotten some updates about what's been happening on the Olvidado. Ender's first focus was on the 25 municipalities in León where the route passes. He got them all together to form the Association that has the web page. They in turn designated him as the one who should both be in charge of determining the official route and the one to coordinate with the other provinces that the Olvidado passes through -- Vizcaya, Cantabria, Burgos and Palencia.
The mountain stretch publicized in the announcement is one of two marked alternatives between Boñar and la Magdalena. The one through La Robla is the one I walked. The newly marked alternative is the old Roman road route through the mountain. It goes through Buiza (on the Salvador) to Pola de Gordón (also on the Salvador) and then to Magdalena through a spot called Los Calderones (google for good pics), Piedrasecha, Viñayo, Otero de las Dueñas and finally La Magdalena.
In Boñar they are fixing up a house for an albergue, in Vegacervera there is an agreement with a youth camp that has cabins with bunk beds (10 €), there is already an albergue in Buiza. Pola de Gordón, which is a few kms down the road from Buiza, has private places. In Magdalena the old school house is going to be an albergue, and Ender got some bunk beds from an albergue in Astorga which he will bring there. Also an albergue opening in Vegarienza (which would be the next stage after Magdalena). There is a new albergue in Fasgar and an albergue in Iguena. Labaniego has a place to sleep with no shower. Congosto has nothing yet but he is workng on it. Cabañas Raras, the next stage, opens the polideportivo, and then you get to the Camino Francés, and can go either to Villafranca del Bierzo or back to Ponferada as I did.
Other places along the route with albergues are Guardo, Puente
Almuhey, and Cistierna.
When I walked in 2014, the only albergues were in Cistierna and La Robla (and they had nothing to do with the Camino Olvidado -- one is on the Vadiniense, the other on the Salvador), so this is a pretty mind blowing development.
But those of us who saw how the Salvador developed from zero thanks to Ender and his little band of angels will not be surprised.
If you are looking for something along the lines of the Salvador-Primitivo, this could be just the thing.
I will be getting a list of accommodations, stages, bars, etc, and will post it also.
it looks like I will have to go back!(and just when I decided then my next caminho is going to be in portugal, too.)
the oficial name is then camino olvidado, not anymore camino viejo or de la montana?
The León Association and the one near Bilbao have both been using Camino Olvidado.
I hope they stick with Camino Olvidado. It's such a romantic name!
I was going to ask about the Camino Olvidado and have just discovered this thread! Is this camino very difficult to walk? Accommodation - albergues or other - at reasonable distances (whatever "reasonable" may be)?
Hi,Viejo Camino,Camino de la Montaña,Camino Olvidado
Apologies if I’ve missed the answer to this query, but could someone clarify the key similarities/differences between these three camino trails, eg., where does each start finish, are there stretches common to more than one of them, what are the major towns to look for on the map, etc.
Also, it would be good to know if there are any stretches that would be of particular concern to a pilgrim with a fear of ridge walks, sheer drops, or similar. ( n.b. walking in the mountains per se -including the primitivo and salvador - is not an issue).
My reason for asking is that I am interested in walking through the Picos de Europa to Santiago next Spring + would benefit from a bit of help to be clear about the route(s) to research in detail, and to extract best value from the contributions already provided. Muchas gracias!
Brillant! Thank you so much!
Thank you, Peregrina! Do these tracks follow the new routing?
I am thinking of walking this camino in 2019....
Hi, Pelerine,
Here are the most up to date documents for the Camino Olvidado (at least, that I know of). Hope they are helpful. Another big thanks to Ender, and I would love to hear if any forum members decide to walk this route. Buen camino, Laurie
This looks like it may be the first part of my next camino. Followed by the Invierno from Ponferada, it fulfills my three preferred conditions: 1. It is a long walk; 2. It ends in Santiago; and 3. I have not already walked it. In addition, for an Albertagirl, it contains mountainous sections, and for an older pilgrim, distances between accommodations seem close enough to walk in one day. There is lots of research still to do, but then, I don't know when I shall be able to walk again. Thank you, @peregrina2000 , for this useful information. I shall be keeping an eye out for more on this route.
The pictures of the Leon Olvidado Association's most recent walk shows pictures from Valdepielago to Vegacervera. From there the group will walk to Pola de Gordon and then on to La Magdalena. Absolutely beautiful mountain walking.
https://www.facebook.com/Asociación-Leonesa-del-Camino-Olvidado-638038153073918/?hc_ref=ART3rItmE6I5QZ9Mfp7tfASg8vCUTtrMNMYG0OI7oIDQf0tdum1bkBrjWtvboQYt71c
I had heard from Ender that he had re-marked and re-routed big chunks of the Olvidado. This is a major re-routing, so anyone considering this route and all its gorgeous mountain walking, need to find updated information on where the camino takes you. When I walked we went Cistierna - Bonar - La Robla, and the new route looks to be totally different.
The stages shown here are what I walked: http://www.elcaminoolvidado.com/
Anyone out there with good information?
I would also say that these pictures absolutely make me want to go back and try the new route. With the other mountain stretch after Fasgar, this route may top the Salvador for its beautiful mountain scenery.
and p.s. here are Ender's tracks. https://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=15178871
Susanna and I did a guide-type document but it was a few years ago. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/resources/camino-olvidado-from-bilbao-to-ponferrada.254/In mid April 2019 I'm walking the Olivdado to La Robla and then busing/train to Oviedo to do the Primitivo to Santiago. I have a guide for The Primitivo are there any for Olivdado?
5 star, yes indeed. I think it might have been the best day I ever spent on the Camino, or possibly a tie with the Caracena canyon on the Lana. In the video the slightly stern grandeur of the Pico de Santiago was obscured by clouds at what is arguably, other than the Puerto de la Fuenfría on the Madrid route, the highest point on any Camino in Spain at 1670m up.This is the video of one of the newly re-routed stages. Looks like a 5***** walk except for the last few kms at the end. Buiza to La Magdalena, hoping to be walking there soon.
Hi Guys, have a look in the Camino Olvidado Forum, subsection "Advice sought on Olvidado" Post number 6.Cheers, Mick.Thank you Laurie for all the info!
Not for 2020, but possibly incorporating this into a bigger project (starting in Eastern Europe) for later years, can the Olvidado be broken up in shorter stages, such as the ones we did last year (average 16km per day)?
Hi Guys, have a look in the Camino Olvidado Forum, subsection "Advice sought on Olvidado" Post number 6.Cheers, Mick.
Hoa Peregrina, my wife and I plan to walk the Olvidado and then Invierno in May 2020, hopefully it wouldn't be too cold then! Thanks for your updates, blogs etc that help us so much in planning!Hi, Pelerine,
Here are the most up to date documents for the Camino Olvidado (at least, that I know of). Hope they are helpful. Another big thanks to Ender, and I would love to hear if any forum members decide to walk this route. Buen camino, Laurie
Hi, @Undermanager,It's an excellent app. Very useful. According to the app for the new route, you'll looking at 22 days if you don't go crazy, maybe 18 or 19 if you don't hang around. plus a day or two for rest days. Does that sound about right to you? I'm just trying to work out if it's worth getting a return flight, and if so, for when. Will set off probably 29th or 30th April at the latest.
Thanks. That's sort of what I was guessing. Thanks for bouncing thinking off you
Thinking out loud here - I'm not sure if I'll be able to carry on past the Olvidado - it all depends on the elderly parents! But I was half thinking of booking a flight back from Madrid now as they are only £15 if I book now, perhaps for the 22nd of May, and if I don't use it, no problem. That would give me 23 days of walking if I start on the 29th April and an early bus or train to Madrid for the mid afternoon flight, nearly the same amount of walking as last year on the Lana. I'd really like to carry on to Muxia this year, but might have to pop back to the UK to do my duty for a few days. Mmmmmm. Choices choices.
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