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Upside: yes, kind of blanket, cut a part off my sleeping bag. Downside: just a liner. Together will be a sleeping bag yesMaybe upload a photo? Is it still a sleeping bag or did you invent the blanket?
This is very similar to what I plan to use on my first Camino! I have an ultralight synthetic quilt (only 285g) that I'm going to tuck into my silk liner (103g). I feel this is going to be the best of all worlds: warm when I need it with the quilt, cool with just the silk liner when it's too hot!
Too late for you now but, if you are going to cut chunks off of a down bag, first run a line of stitching to seal off any leakage and then cut on the other side of it (if you see what I mean).Upside: yes, kind of blanket, cut a part off my sleeping bag. Downside: just a liner. Together will be a sleeping bag yeshaven't figured out the opening in the side, will be buttons of some kind I think.
This could get a bit awkward at night if you're tucked in and find you're too hot. Consider gathering up the bottom edge of the quilt and cinching it with a heavy elastic ring (think pony tails). This forms a little footbox - a safety will increase the length of the closure.This is very similar to what I plan to use on my first Camino! I have an ultralight synthetic quilt (only 285g) that I'm going to tuck into my silk liner (103g). I feel this is going to be the best of all worlds: warm when I need it with the quilt, cool with just the silk liner when it's too hot!
This is a great idea - the quilt I bought has a zip and cinch to make a footbox. I could do that and put the quilt over top of the liner instead, tucking my feet in.This could get a bit awkward at night if you're tucked in and find you're too hot. Consider gathering up the bottom edge of the quilt and cinching it with a heavy elastic ring (think pony tails). This forms a little footbox - a safety will increase the length of the closure.
Get into the liner and pull the quilt over you tucking your feet into the footbox. If you get too hot cast off the quilt. You should have enough quilt along the sides that you can tuck in under your hips so it shouldn't shift.
You don't, after all, need anything under you do you? I mean in bed, at home, are the blankets/quilt just on top or under you too?This is a great idea - the quilt I bought has a zip and cinch to make a footbox. I could do that and put the quilt over top of the liner instead, tucking my feet in.
Well, I think I'll like the liner if the mattress has no sheets like some albergues are said to do?You don't, after all, need anything under you do you? I mean in bed, at home, are the blankets/quilt just on top or under you too?
I think it's a term typically used in the backpacking community to mean "your sleeping bag and sleeping pad," as well as a pillow if one is carried by that camper. Although pilgrims don't usually carry a sleeping pad, it's common in backpacking to need one to insulate oneself from the cold ground.What the --- is a "sleeping system?" Sounds like marketing BS to me.
I really dont know what "marketing BS" is.. even when googleing..? but we all have to choose our equipment, thats was the meaning of the headline, are you with polar bears or in hot Spain f.eks... ?What the --- is a "sleeping system?" Sounds like marketing BS to me.
Many, many albergues only give (or sell) you a disposable sheet and pillowcase.Well, I think I'll like the liner if the mattress has no sheets like some albergues are said to do?
That's unkind. It goes with your protection system, which includes your wet weather protection system and fine weather protection system, your nutrition system, your navigation system, communication system and journey recording system, etc all contained within your load carriage system! Why shouldn't clothing, food, guide book, phone, camera and pack get 'systematised' names?What the --- is a "sleeping system?" Sounds like marketing BS to me.
What the --- is a "sleeping system?" Sounds like marketing BS to me.
This is hardly super-scienceified, but it doesn't hurt to use a bit of scientific thinking in solving ordinary problems. I think it is a very useful way to think about the matter for people packing for their Caminos - you shouldn't think about pyjamas and bedding in the same way as you do at home. You should think about the function - what you are trying to achieve. If this is offensively technical, I apologize! But give the scientists and engineers a break.it must have a super-scienceified name to justify it's comparatively spectacular price
Surely that should be systems thinkers and systems engineers!But give the scientists and engineers a break.
Hi Rebekah, it's a common term for wilderness backpacking.... and usually includes a sleeping mat/pad as well. However, I do not bring my sleeping system on the Camino as have another set of more casual gear.What the --- is a "sleeping system?" Sounds like marketing BS to me.
And in armed Forces, also including what to wear when sleeping under different conditions. Systems for everything.Hi Rebekah, it's a common term for wilderness backpacking.... and usually includes a sleeping mat/pad as well. However, I do not bring my sleeping system on the Camino as have another set of more casual gear.
"A tent, above all for a solitary traveller, isWhat the --- is a "sleeping system?" Sounds like marketing BS to me.
Jup, too late advice, should really done as you describe ;-) Problem with buttons is that the liner is so thin, not easy to fasten something in it.. will try similar to those you suggestToo late for you now but, if you are going to cut chunks off of a down bag, first run a line of stitching to seal off any leakage and then cut on the other side of it (if you see what I mean).
As for buttons, have you considered KAM snaps? You need to buy the crimping tool as well but they are useful little critters.
Yes no doubt the term originated in the Forces, makes complete sense to me !And in armed Forces, also including what to wear when sleeping under different conditions. Systems for everything.
That is not the accepted understanding of the origin of the term systems engineering and the general adoption of systems thinking in understanding complexity in design. The first use of Systems Engineering appears to have been in a Bell Laboratories paper from the 1950s (see https://sebokwiki.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_Systems_Engineering). Systems thinking first appears about the same time. While the word 'system' has a much older origin, its meaning in the context of this discussion comes from the emergence of systems engineering as a distinct discipline in the middle of the 20th century.Yes no doubt the term originated in the Forces, makes complete sense to me !
Lighten up !!That is not the accepted understanding of the origin of the term systems engineering and the general adoption of systems thinking in understanding complexity in design. The first use of Systems Engineering appears to have been in a Bell Laboratories paper from the 1950s (see https://sebokwiki.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_Systems_Engineering). Systems thinking first appears about the same time. While the word 'system' has a much older origin, its meaning in the context of this discussion comes from the emergence of systems engineering as a distinct discipline in the middle of the 20th century.
Be accurate!!! Then I won't feel the need to provide a more correct explanation.Lighten up !!
Well said, @dougfitz, coming from your detailed, methodically thought out posts, and I expect no less from you. I appreciate the diverse personalities and opinions on this forum, or it might as well be like a Camino handbook with no opportunity to comment.Be accurate!!! Then I won't feel the need to provide a more correct explanation.
I don't believe @Freewalker (or @KariannNor) was talking about the origin of the term "systems engineering" but rather of the term "sleep system" or "sleeping system", which is what this discussion has been about. I don't believe (although I am certainly ready to accept evidence that I am in error) that Bell Laboratories was discussing sleeping systems.That is not the accepted understanding of the origin of the term systems engineering and the general adoption of systems thinking in understanding complexity in design. The first use of Systems Engineering appears to have been in a Bell Laboratories paper from the 1950s (see https://sebokwiki.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_Systems_Engineering). Systems thinking first appears about the same time. While the word 'system' has a much older origin, its meaning in the context of this discussion comes from the emergence of systems engineering as a distinct discipline in the middle of the 20th century.
I solved that problem with elastic straps that keep my silk sleep sack in place on the mattress. And my down blanket has ties (that I can use or not) to keep it in place in the sleep sack.For me, I don't think I could sleep well in a liner with a quilt tucked inside. I thrash around too much and am sure the quilt inside would bunch up and wake me up or I'd be too worried to sleep to try not to toss and turn.
I see that the use of systems labels such as 'sleep systems' could be traced pretty directly from the developments in systems engineering and systems thinking. Those emerging disciplines certainly took hold in the military with terms like 'infantry combat systems', 'communications systems', etc taking over from talking about soldiers and radios. There are good reasons for this - it wasn't just linguistic pretentiousness. But that is another discussion.I don't believe @Freewalker (or @KariannNor) was talking about the origin of the term "systems engineering" but rather of the term "sleep system" or "sleeping system", which is what this discussion has been about. I don't believe (although I am certainly ready to accept evidence that I am in error) that Bell Laboratories was discussing sleeping systems.
It is good to push for accuracy. But I think this particular bit of accuracy may have been misapplied.
Ah, now it's my turn to disagree. Many of us on here are Wilderness backpacker aficionados. (Or at least we used to be, some of us have now retired to the Camino). In addition to which, many are also ex forces, where the term is also in common usage. Some, like myself, may also be backpackers - no wilderness required. And in the first 10 years or so of me backpacking we also used the term sleep system. ( No longer, because for hygiene reasons most Backpacker hostels etc provide bedding).This discussion appeared to move into what I think is a laudable desire to use plain language. Wilderness backpacking afficionados might use the term 'slee usep system' for good reason, but that is not who we are on this forum. The question of whether to bring a sleeping bag is just that, a discussion about sleeping bags. It might sometimes edge into discussions about the context in which a bag might be used, but it rarely gets too deeply into the broader aspects that would justify it being called a discussion about sleep systems.
Recommendations sought for a sleeping bag for early April start from Roncesvalles - CF. A bit of a thrasher myself. Third Camino and resolute to refugio rather than private accommodation and want to be prepared.For me, I don't think I could sleep well in a liner with a quilt tucked inside. I thrash around too much and am sure the quilt inside would bunch up and wake me up or I'd be too worried to sleep to try not to toss and turn. I feel the same way about a down quilt laying on top of a liner as it would most likely end up on the floor and I do not want to bother to create buttons or snaps to secure it to a liner.
My simple system is to bring a lightweight sleeping bag suitable for indoors. If I need occasionally need extra warmth in April or early May, I add a fleece quarter zip to wear. If I get too warm, I unzip a portion and take my leg out which quickly cools my body.
Regardless of cost or brand I always point people towards a 2-3 season sleeping bag which packs down small and easilly. No need for an expensive one but its own stuff sack is a plus. I got a cheapy one from amazon and it's lasted me 50+ days so far and still going strong. REI in the USA has plenty and european outdoor shops and their GB equivalents have loads too.Recommendations sought for a sleeping bag for early April start from Roncesvalles - CF. A bit of a thrasher myself. Third Camino and resolute to refugio rather than private accommodation and want to be prepared.
I use a NatureHike brand sleeping bag from Amazon for most of my Caminos. It was about $35 and I really like the feel of its fabric, which is very comfortable, not like some of those slippery poly fabrics like many cheap bags are made of, yet it is not cotton. It did come with it's own compression bag, but I do not bring it as I find them a nuisance. Instead I prefer folding it, slipping it in a one gallon ziplock bag and then sit on it on my bunk to get the air out. The bag is great for me; a nice in between, not too thick, but is not a liner. I did use a liner on the Le Puy as I went for the month of June that year when my friends and I stayed in Gites.Recommendations sought for a sleeping bag for early April start from Roncesvalles - CF. A bit of a thrasher myself. Third Camino and resolute to refugio rather than private accommodation and want to be prepared.
on the other hand one could ignore the cheerful, almost joyful opening post that Karrian wrote, to share how she thinks she may have sorted her sleeping equipment to allow for all conditions, and be lighter too and instead be rude or pedantic and suck the joy out of the whole post ...
@KariannNor , this one by any chance ? (I've been going nuts trying to think of the Post you mean because I recall reading it too)Thanks so much to someone in here for this tips, can't find the thread. My sleeping bag (which I love) worked well last time, but a bit warm and too heavy. To reduce weight I have now done something (I hope!) will be a sucsess. Opened it all the way (also in the bottom) and layed it down. Then cut off 20/25 centimeters in each side (where the zipper was) so it fits the top of a silk liner. Also cut some in the bottom because I'm a very short person. So, now I will find sewing needle and thread and try to sew them together, top of the liner and the rest of the sleeping bag. With my very poor abilities in sewing it will definately not be pretty, but hopefully work. Liner under and comfortable dawn on top. Maybe I can turn it around if too warm and have the liner on top
Either way, hope your project works out well, and despite everything above, thanks for sharing!Both, but in one.
My wife and I have sleeping bags that have one side with a light lining, and the other side with insulation. Works great as you can just sleep under the side you need, change during the night, and they pack very small.
We've long since cut off the tags and I forget the name. If it helps (and you are interested) we did buy them at MEC (Outdoor store in Canada) that may still carry them (though since they sold we believe we've have seen a drop in variety of equipment).
That one side warm, one side not, is effectively what you get by putting a small down quilt inside a silk liner. You can fix the quilt in place by various means, even sewing it along the bottom and/or sides.trying to think of the Post you mean because I recall reading it too)
Although I thought I'd seen one where somebody made their own exactly as you are doing.
Thanks, thats true, and you have a great tip! but I'm wondering, what if you were sleeping one meter away from me, and I were to tear up such fasteners in the middle of the night.. uhh, don't they make a lot of noise when everything is quiet? maybe I wouldn't become very popular? I don't know, never tried them.. But thanks for tips, will definately think of that one..Karrian - re buttons .. I'm not so sure .. thinking about trying to find them and get out of the bag in the dark when nature calls .. one can buy Velcro pads that sew on - might be better?
What about some snap buttons? Not too many, maybe just 4 of them. Then they won't be as noisy, and also you can snap them together by feel in the dark more easily than doing up regular buttons.Thanks, thats true, and you have a great tip! but I'm wondering, what if you were sleeping one meter away from me, and I were to tear up such fasteners in the middle of the night.. uhh, don't they make a lot of noise when everything is quiet? maybe I wouldn't become very popular? I don't know, never tried them.. But thanks for tips, will definately think of that one..
Appreciate any suggestions on this button problem.. ha ha.. for such details to become a thing is ridiculous.. but since I'm a big gear freak, it's fun to make things work for the best too.. and I suspect I'm not the only freak detail planner in here ;-)
Wow, well done! I could never dream of achieving something like that.I sewed a 22" zipper on the side, just long enough to help me get in and out. You could go longer.
I use ties to keep my blanket in place so that I can remove it completely to launder, or if I just don't need to take it, for example on s summer Camino.That one side warm, one side not, is effectively what you get by putting a small down quilt inside a silk liner. You can fix the quilt in place by various means, even sewing it along the bottom and/or sides.
I went with a 36" zipper.I sewed a 22" zipper on the side, just long enough to help me get in and out. You could go longer.
Now that is I would think of as sleep system.Thanks to my merely reading this thread, the below add just popped up on my browser.
I got one of these for my daughter for our upcoming Camino (mine is a Trecile Special@Peterexpatkiwi, Regarding the product discussed in your second quote, I believe it is the MEC Camino Traveller sleeping bag. It is currently out of stock, but I wrote to MEC's chat and found out that they do have an order put in to restock them, ETA Spring 2024. At $90 CAD, pretty cost effective for a dual-temp solution!
Thank youYou should be proud! Innovation and hands-on? what's not to like!!
Could you attach a sleeping bag stuff sack with straps so you can really compress it? Not quite sure where you would sew it on ... sewn sideways at the top so you could put something like a fleece or sweater inside for a pillow?
Like this? - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145184755952
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