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When are you going? I am starting in San Sebastián May 27thOOFOS lightweight sandals instead of Keens? maybe a liner instead of a bag? I using trail runners instead of boots. I will be doing Norte/Primitivo beginning 5/8 from Irun... maybe i'll see you out there?
Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not?
I will be starting out before you...May 8th. I have a desire to veer off the Camino to catch a bit of the Giro de Italia so that could put me back several days time wise.When are you going? I am starting in San Sebastián May 27th
There was a US Army study that showed exactly that.Someone once told me that a pound on your feet is like 5 on your back. That might be an exaggeration but there is a point.
I did the Primitivo in mid May of 2017. My 5c sleeping bag (850 gram) was a bit much but there were nights when I really appreciated it. Next time I will use shoes rather than boots. I think the weight difference will be noticeable. Someone once told me that a pound on your feet is like 5 on your back. That might be an exaggeration but there is a point. I would also think about very light weight gators to keep your feet free of sand a dirt, perhaps Dirty Girls. There are a few sections that can be tricky if it has been raining but in those spots boots won't help.
Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
Nope, it's one pound on your feet is like five pounds on your back, according to a US Army study.Re weight on back and feet - I always heard it stated the opposite way - a pound on your back is like 5 pounds on your feet. (5 lb on the back would be like 25 lb on feet not one!).
Designed a lovely spreadsheet and my family laugh at me and think I am mad , as I weigh everything on kitchen scales! After a few caminos I have finally learned that every gram adds up. On first Camino I took everything and at every City along the way I sent back more and more stuff back home!Create a spreadsheet and weigh every item in your list. Everything has a weight, everything. Weigh your options. When I started doing this, I shaved off weight.
Perhaps the green t-shirt weighs less than the blue one you were going to bring. Perhaps the grey trousers weigh less than the black ones.
Is there a lighter-weight toiletry bag than the really nice one you have? A simple lightweight cloth bag with an s hook will do the job ... as will a zip-lock bag. Dry soap bars instead of liquid ... half a bar instead of a full one. How much do all of your zip-lock and dry-bags and packing cubes weigh (if you have any) - do you really need them all?
A down quilt/throw and silk liner will weigh less than a sleeping bag.
It's easy to say, 'oh, that item weighs nothing', but every ouce adds up. Everything has a weight-price ... is its value to have worth carrying the weight?
Good luck
Funny how our fears creep back in and we talk ourselves into relabelling something back and forth between "Fear", "Need" and "Essential". I have changed my sleeping bag so backpack currently equals 6.5kg without food and water.Hi @jostony ! Alas, for me, my pack will be about 7 kg, when all is said and done (water, etc.). I'm think I can reduce the weight of my " towel" and perhaps leave my scarf behind, but it seems I was mis-weighing the last two Camino's, when I thought I was carrying 6kg.
That said, I'll continue to try to whittle away, thinking a liner instead of my sleeping bag might help...I'm in the "what if I need it" stage. I know better...
Sounds like a sauna suitHas anyone just worn and walked in trousers/pants that combine hiking and waterproof qualities without need for separate waterproofs?
I can also not recommend clothes that promise to be both waterproof and breathable. Usually things can only be either the one or the other. So if you combine both, thei will neither be completly waterproof neither really breathable. It is always a compromise.Sounds like a sauna suit
It's difficult if not impossible to generalize for woven fabrics, as no two weaves perform the same even when the materials and percentage of materials are identical. For example, a loosely woven nylon pants (e.g. larger "gaps" between fibers") may feel more breathable than a cotton/polyester blend. If that same loose weave nylon is coated with a DWR water resistant coating, then you should have a breathable pant that repels water. That's a more expensive finish. A tightly woven nylon will feel hot and less breathable. You can buy 10 models of pants from different makers and each may perform differently. If its a key decision point, then I suggest you study how they are woven to speak to breathability. If you are not as concerned, then just buy pants you love and pack a rain kilt.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I have decided to stick with, and take, separate waterproofs. The final decision is now whether to stick with my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals to relax in post walking or explore a lighter footwear option such as the Hoka One One ORA RECOVERY SHOE.Jostony- we walked the Norte/Primitivo 4 years ago and will do so again mid May. Our packs were ~7 Kg, with light sleeping bags that we were very glad to have, and a pair of Keen sandals each. The sandals will change this year to something lighter. My wife has changed to trailrunners but I will stay with my Keen hiking shoes. We did not weigh everything- and probably could have reduced the overall pack weight, but were happy with the decision. We were hit by rain several times and were glad for easy on rain pants! That worked for us - but figure out where your comfort zone is!
i never prebook until the day of. nev se r been let down7kg is really good!
Boots are up to you, I wear them because I have weak ankles from my army days, I carry 16 kilo's, and I am tiny. So boots I need.
Good luck lightening your kit, though it may get expensive. Let us know how you get on!
And Buen Camino, the Primitivo is wonderful !
Davey
There are 2 places to buy ultra light sleeping equipment, ZPacks.com and enlightened equipment.com 18-20 oz bags expensive but worth it.Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
I am arriving in Oviedo on May 7 and start my trek on May 9. If you are around then we could get together. Let me know.Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
Hello. We arrive in Oviedo on 16th May and will start our slow camino on 18th. Sure you will catch us up!I am arriving in Oviedo on May 7 and start my trek on May 9. If you are around then we could get together. Let me know.
Take a sleeping bag liner instead of a bag. Also, look at the "Hoka" recovery sandals. Good luck. I loved the Primitivo!!Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
Also walked the Francis all the way to Finesterra in my Teva sandals , not one blister , I’m a teva believer , will be walking the Norte this year in my TevasThere are 2 places to buy ultra light sleeping equipment, ZPacks.com and enlightened equipment.com 18-20 oz bags expensive but worth it.
Are you carrying water bottles? Last time I carried 2 "klean kanteen," which weighted over 1 pound when empty. This time I ordered the below, "collapsible bottles," weight pretty much nothing.Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
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Boots will not give ankle support; only metal braces do that. Cheap, lightweight shower sandals weight next to nothing.Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
Beginning Primitivo on May 7. I have only a silk liner with me. No sleeping bag since on the Francés I ended up giving it away to lighten my pack. Am sort of counting on maybe blankets in most places. Is that reasonable? It worked actually on the Francés. Am a very warm sleeper. should I stick in some kind of light weight cover? Interested in advice from those who have been on the primitivo in very much a transition month. Early May
Regarding the sleeping kit: I used a permethrin treated silk liner with an ultralight down quilt tucked inside. Cold nights I was under the quilt. Hot nights I would push the quilt to the bottom of the liner. I kept warm and kept the bedbugs in check.Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
There are 2 places to buy ultra light sleeping equipment, ZPacks.com and enlightened equipment.com 18-20 oz bags expensive but worth it.
When are you walking the NorteAlso walked the Francis all the way to Finesterra in my Teva sandals , not one blister , I’m a teva believer , will be walking the Norte this year in my TevasBuen Camino
Hi Davebugg. They are ingenious! Are they made from an old foam sleeping mat?MY diy bathroom sandals weigh even less than next to nothing
This is someone else's picture, but mine are the exact same.
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Having been in Asturias / Galicia in late April and early May for the last 10 years (bar one), we have experienced every kind of weather possible!! The only advice to give is dress in layers and be prepared for sun, rain, mud and even snow at higher levels. Our feeling would be that a medium / light sleeping bag is a necessity. If you are a warm sleeper then an ultra-light would do the job. I would question the availability of blankets in all albergues. We like to keep our feet dry, even in mud and rain - see photo for example - so good boots, well kept, are a must, as are good waterproofs. Unfortunately the original Rohan poncho is no longer available.If it is cold and wet, - light snow in Tineo on 13th. May in 2010 - then over trousers are a help.
Having said all that, we have known the temperature up into the high 20's - shirt sleeve weather.
View attachment 55549 Leaving Salas May 2010 View attachment 55548 On the way to Tineo May 2010
Blessings on your Camino
Tio Tel
Hi Davebugg. They are ingenious! Are they made from an old foam sleeping mat?
I think people tend to obsess a little too much about pack weight. For my first couple of Camino's I weighed everything, now I just pack and go. My current pack at 60L is probably larger than I need and the pack itself is kind of heavy, but it fits great and I am far too thrifty to ditch it for a new one.
I guess for some it is something to fret about before you actually get on the trail and realize that it is actually not really that big a deal that you did not spring for the ultra light toothbrush...
In any case enjoy the Primitivo, probably my favorite Camino so far.
That's exactly the combo that I use, but sadly, it doesn't deter bedbugs.Regarding the sleeping kit: I used a permethrin treated silk liner with an ultralight down quilt tucked inside. Cold nights I was under the quilt. Hot nights I would push the quilt to the bottom of the liner. I kept warm and kept the bedbugs in check.
Individually held preferences are something which cannot and should not be debated. Folks have a right to make choices based on whatever criteria they believe is important to them. To that end, I want to say that whatever your reason for wanting boots, flip-flops, bare feet, sandals, trail runners, etc. do not feel that you must change your decisions based on what 'everyone else' does. Be comfortable with your choice.
It is not my intention to offend anyone, as I believe that there are times and situations where boots are a reasonable choice to make when hiking, backpacking, or walking. I own and use a pair of Lowa Camino boots in certain cold weather seasons and weather conditions in the mountains when backpacking.
That being said, if one is looking for and asking for factual information in order to make decisions between choosing boots or trail runners (and running shoes) to wear for Camino, ankle support is not a reason to choose boots.
First, there are defined and diagnosed medical issues where an ankle needs to be supported. However, the only sure ankle support for medically indicated need are ankle braces which can fit inside of the shoe.
Despite anecdotal evidence and subjective opinion to the contrary, research has repeatedly shown that boots do not provide the level of stiffness and the shear rigidity needed to keep ankles free from injury.
The ankle is best protected with exercise and use, where the ankle is allowed to use uneven surfaces, exercise, and balancing on one foot in order to build strength and endurance and lessen susceptibility to injurious fatigue.
Boots can, in fact, exacerbate the risk of injury.
A foot in a boot is sitting higher off the ground than when in a shoe because the outer and midsoles are much thicker and built up. Additionally, the outer sole of boots are trimmed closer to shell of the boot, meaning that the outer sole has a fairly narrow profile. Both of these factors have been shown to have a higher risk of the footwear 'rolling' when stepping on an unstable surface or piece of debris like loose rocks or uneven surfaces.
As the boot begins to roll, the boot carries the foot with it, the higher material of the boot above the ankle exerts more force against the foot to make it roll with the boot. That material is not stiff enough to keep from flexing, which means that your ankle is going to start bending as the roll of the boot continues. And because the foot is higher off the ground inside the boot, the ankle can be forced into a more significant bending.
Another factor about boots that helps lead to injury is their weight. The heavier the weight that the foot and lower legs need to lift, the more stress and fatigue the ankles and supporting structures are exposed to. Such weakens the ability of the ankle structures to maintain resiliency.
Trail shoes and trail runners, on the other hand, do the opposite when confronted with the same type of uneven surface or debris. The outer and midsoles are much closer to the ground. They are also wider than the shoe making for a contact point with the ground that is more stable. Their much lighter weight keeps ankle structures from fatiguing.
Now here is the thing researchers found as most significant: A foot in a shoe that is kept a bit loose can compensate, to a large degree, when the shoe starts to roll off of an uneven surface. As the shoe rolls, the shoe tends to slip around the foot. In other words, the shoe moves around the foot for the most part, so the ankle won't immediately bend out of place with the shoe. This allows the wearer of the shoe to have enough time to react to the rolling and twisting shoe to keep the ankle from injurious strain.
Yes, there are people who get ankle injuries in trail shoes and trail runners. But those injuries are less frequent and less severe, on an average, than with a foot encased in an above the ankle hiking boot.
As I stated above, there will be any number of folks that, with no predisposing medical conditions, will state anecdotal evidence along the lines that they, or a friend, or other family members, et al, were saved by above the ankle boots. Subjective opinion is like that.But objective evidence begs to differ on the best way of protecting ankles from injury.
davebugg. I always seem to find myself agreeing with you,and do even more now. I have a week ankle that I was always twisting so wore high-risk boots for the ankle prote tion,and still turned my ankle several times a day. My son called me stumblefoot! I started wearing low-fat trail runners and have not turned my ankle in years. You force your foot muscles to get stronger. My advice for boots is to plant some flowers in them.Individually held preferences are something which cannot and should not be debated. Folks have a right to make choices based on whatever criteria they believe is important to them. To that end, I want to say that whatever your reason for wanting boots, flip-flops, bare feet, sandals, trail runners, etc. do not feel that you must change your decisions based on what 'everyone else' does. Be comfortable with your choice.
It is not my intention to offend anyone, as I believe that there are times and situations where boots are a reasonable choice to make when hiking, backpacking, or walking. I own and use a pair of Lowa Camino boots in certain cold weather seasons and weather conditions in the mountains when backpacking.
That being said, if one is looking for and asking for factual information in order to make decisions between choosing boots or trail runners (and running shoes) to wear for Camino, ankle support is not a reason to choose boots.
First, there are defined and diagnosed medical issues where an ankle needs to be supported. However, the only sure ankle support for medically indicated need are ankle braces which can fit inside of the shoe.
Despite anecdotal evidence and subjective opinion to the contrary, research has repeatedly shown that boots do not provide the level of stiffness and the shear rigidity needed to keep ankles free from injury.
The ankle is best protected with exercise and use, where the ankle is allowed to use uneven surfaces, exercise, and balancing on one foot in order to build strength and endurance and lessen susceptibility to injurious fatigue.
Boots can, in fact, exacerbate the risk of injury.
A foot in a boot is sitting higher off the ground than when in a shoe because the outer and midsoles are much thicker and built up. Additionally, the outer sole of boots are trimmed closer to shell of the boot, meaning that the outer sole has a fairly narrow profile. Both of these factors have been shown to have a higher risk of the footwear 'rolling' when stepping on an unstable surface or piece of debris like loose rocks or uneven surfaces.
As the boot begins to roll, the boot carries the foot with it, the higher material of the boot above the ankle exerts more force against the foot to make it roll with the boot. That material is not stiff enough to keep from flexing, which means that your ankle is going to start bending as the roll of the boot continues. And because the foot is higher off the ground inside the boot, the ankle can be forced into a more significant bending.
Another factor about boots that helps lead to injury is their weight. The heavier the weight that the foot and lower legs need to lift, the more stress and fatigue the ankles and supporting structures are exposed to. Such weakens the ability of the ankle structures to maintain resiliency.
Trail shoes and trail runners, on the other hand, do the opposite when confronted with the same type of uneven surface or debris. The outer and midsoles are much closer to the ground. They are also wider than the shoe making for a contact point with the ground that is more stable. Their much lighter weight keeps ankle structures from fatiguing.
Now here is the thing researchers found as most significant: A foot in a shoe that is kept a bit loose can compensate, to a large degree, when the shoe starts to roll off of an uneven surface. As the shoe rolls, the shoe tends to slip around the foot. In other words, the shoe moves around the foot for the most part, so the ankle won't immediately bend out of place with the shoe. This allows the wearer of the shoe to have enough time to react to the rolling and twisting shoe to keep the ankle from injurious strain.
Yes, there are people who get ankle injuries in trail shoes and trail runners. But those injuries are less frequent and less severe, on an average, than with a foot encased in an above the ankle hiking boot.
As I stated above, there will be any number of folks that, with no predisposing medical conditions, will state anecdotal evidence along the lines that they, or a friend, or other family members, et al, were saved by above the ankle boots. Subjective opinion is like that.But objective evidence begs to differ on the best way of protecting ankles from injury.
Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
I’m doing KEEN sandals on the Israel National Trail in October.When are you walking the Norte
After six Camino walks and nary a bed bug, I am beginning to think bed bugs just don't like me for some reason!That's exactly the combo that I use, but sadly, it doesn't deter bedbugs.
I was planning to take my Keens as I can quite easily walk in them if it is muddy. but they are quite heavyIsland has some great observations and well worth considering. I will add two things:
1. Generally speaking, the synthetics that are more loosely woven also tend to be lighter, which is an advantage. The feature set may include leg bottom zips to allow easy on and off over shoes. Many brands of both zip-off style pants and non-zips offer such materials. REI Sahara, Kuhl, North Face, pRana, Outdoor Research, Columbia. . .
2. Island mentioned that DWR (Durable Waterproof Coating) acts as a water 'repellent'. He is right on target and that is something to keep in mind, because the longer the DWR'd fabric is exposed to rain, the more likely it will 'wet out' and become soaked. Many waterproof/breathable (WP/B) laminates, like Goretex, often require a non waterlogged outer fabric in order to function properly, which is why DWR is most often paired with those types of "waterproof" garments.
As Island stated, DWR will effectively repel water, even without a WP/B laminate. Depending on the fabric it is applied to, it will be great for rain protection for short durations.
DWR does wear 'off' so to speak, and becomes ineffective as the garment becomes dirty. It can be 'renewed and there are products which will do so. Additionally, DWR can be added to a fabric without a WP/B laminate, depending on what the fabric is.
If interested, this is one product line for DWR treatment and renewal. This is another. Both are well regarded products.
Hi, I am planning to walk the primitivo around the 4th/5th of May. I plan to use a pair of Merrell Moab 2, suede and fabric, about 1.3kg the pair. I will give then a good pray with water proofing before I leave, would you recommend a Poncho... or jacket and waterproof trousers? I also plan to just take two pair of running bottoms. One very lightweight pair and a normal pair. If it gets cold then I will wear both pairs. Same for my tops, one long sleeved technical top, one short sleeved. Light weight down jacket. That's about it apart from socks, underwear and of course headwear, a merino wooly hat for if it is cold, but haven't decided on what kind of sun hat. Any advice?Having been in Asturias / Galicia in late April and early May for the last 10 years (bar one), we have experienced every kind of weather possible!! The only advice to give is dress in layers and be prepared for sun, rain, mud and even snow at higher levels. Our feeling would be that a medium / light sleeping bag is a necessity. If you are a warm sleeper then an ultra-light would do the job. I would question the availability of blankets in all albergues. We like to keep our feet dry, even in mud and rain - see photo for example - so good boots, well kept, are a must, as are good waterproofs. Unfortunately the original Rohan poncho is no longer available.If it is cold and wet, - light snow in Tineo on 13th. May in 2010 - then over trousers are a help.
Having said all that, we have known the temperature up into the high 20's - shirt sleeve weather.
View attachment 55549 Leaving Salas May 2010 View attachment 55548 On the way to Tineo May 2010
Blessings on your Camino
Tio Tel
If you are thinking waterproof trousers then maybe a jacket would be best. Problem then is keeping your rucksack dry! Best get a good waterproof reflective cover. A dark sack obliterates any reflective over jacket - needed by law in fading light or mist/fog. I have always worn a 'Tilley Hat', high resistance to harmful radiation which you may need - do not forget that your ears can catch the sun as well as your neck!Hi, I am planning to walk the primitivo around the 4th/5th of May. I plan to use a pair of Merrell Moab 2, suede and fabric, about 1.3kg the pair. I will give then a good pray with water proofing before I leave, would you recommend a Poncho... or jacket and waterproof trousers? I also plan to just take two pair of running bottoms. One very lightweight pair and a normal pair. If it gets cold then I will wear both pairs. Same for my tops, one long sleeved technical top, one short sleeved. Light weight down jacket. That's about it apart from socks, underwear and of course headwear, a merino wooly hat for if it is cold, but haven't decided on what kind of sun hat. Any advice?
@jostony how did you get down to 6.5 kg! I plan on doing the Primitivo in mid june and just had the first try and my backpack is almost 10 kg. Could you share your amazing excel file?Funny how our fears creep back in and we talk ourselves into relabelling something back and forth between "Fear", "Need" and "Essential". I have changed my sleeping bag so backpack currently equals 6.5kg without food and water.
@Suzanne S. I plan on doing the Primitivo in mid june and just had the first try and my backpack is almost 10 kg. Could you share your excel file? 7 kg sound amazing and right now, for me, mission impossibleHi @jostony ! Alas, for me, my pack will be about 7 kg, when all is said and done (water, etc.). I'm think I can reduce the weight of my " towel" and perhaps leave my scarf behind, but it seems I was mis-weighing the last two Camino's, when I thought I was carrying 6kg.
That said, I'll continue to try to whittle away, thinking a liner instead of my sleeping bag might help...I'm in the "what if I need it" stage. I know better...
First take out any clothing item that you have more than two of.@Suzanne S. I plan on doing the Primitivo in mid june and just had the first try and my backpack is almost 10 kg. Could you share your excel file? 7 kg sound amazing and right now, for me, mission impossible
I thought it was necessary 3 of each: one to wear; one washing/drying; one spare/clean?First take put any clothing item that you have more than two of.
Nobody is setting rules. I don't see any point in wearing one t-shirt and trousers, and carrying both a wet set and another dry one. I would ensure that I always have a pair of socks and one warm layer dry, for the evening after walking. But you certainly don't need to have 3 of everything! Sometimes you can even wear a dirty item until the clean one dries. Have a look at this thread for discussion of what you really might need.I thought it was necessary 3 of each: one to wear; one washing/drying; one spare/clean?
I'll see if I can!@Suzanne S. I plan on doing the Primitivo in mid june and just had the first try and my backpack is almost 10 kg. Could you share your excel file? 7 kg sound amazing and right now, for me, mission impossible
Thank you @Suzanne S. , very helpful indeed.@Carla M. -- I think this might work...
I just a couple of weeks ago decided my backpack was too heavy and bought a new lighter one. The new one cost €35 and weighs approx. 1kg. So, you don't have to pay a huge amount for something a bit lighter.Thank you @Suzanne S. , very helpful indeed.
One rookie mistake I was doing was not to separate the things that I would be wearing from those I was carrying.
But the biggest difference is in the backpack itself and the sleeping bag. My backpack is 2kg + sleeping bag 1kg and I see yours are 0,9kg and 0,2 kg. I guess it all depends on the price.
The spare boot laces and pole tips are a good idea, as the multi purposes scarf. I see you don´t include a pijama. Can I ask what's is your sleeping arrangements trick?
Considering the info I gathered, the backpack would need to have:The new one cost €35 and weighs approx. 1kg.
Yes, I didn't have any specific technical requirements. It is a 30l pack, so maybe too small for you. It has a rain cover adjustable straps etc.Considering the info I gathered, the backpack would need to have:
With these specifics I did not find anything with that price / weight
- shoulder pads, chest strap and waist belt
- adjustable shoulder straps
- lumbar support and ventilation system
- rain protection cap
- around 40 l (summer) or 50 l (winter)
- no integrated metal frame
- with waist pockets, if possible
@Molly Cassidy can you share de backpack reference?
Thank you @Molly Cassidy as it is my first time I might be overthinking everything.Yes, I didn't have any specific technical requirements. It is a 30l pack, so maybe too small for you. It has a rain cover adjustable straps etc.
This is what I bought. I'm not saying it's perfect.
Hiking backpack 30L - NH500
Our team of walkers designed this NH500 30 litre backpack to go with you on your day-long hikes in the forest or along the coast, even in the rain!<br /><br />When choosing a new backpack, check the spec. Comfortable straps are non-negotiable (and a chest strap helps). Insulated pockets keep...decathlon.lv
I liked having the spare boot laces for a variety of things including tying my shell on my backpack! The scarf was invaluable to me...I used it as a sunscreen, a towel for drying my hands, a wet scarf around my neck in the heat and for neck warmth in the cold mornings. I slept in a variety of the clothes that I would wear the next day--everything if it was too cold, some fewer items if it was warm. Please note that I only took a silk sleep sack. It was pre-covid and blankets were plenty available. I would take my light weight sleeping bag now, which is about a pound heavier.The spare boot laces and pole tips are a good idea, as the multi purposes scarf. I see you don´t include a pijama. Can I ask what's is your sleeping arrangements trick?
For sandals I used Bokos' they were awesome after taking of my hiking shoes. They are actually designed for triathletes after the end of the race. Also, I have been given advise to use a synthetic sleeping bag instead of down to avoid bedbugs. I'm taking a 3m thinsulate blanket that weighs 11 oz and can be a pancho liner, or sleeping back or blanket.Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
You really don't need bigger than 40 liters regardless of the season. In fact I'd say 35 liters should be plenty year round.around 40 l (summer) or 50 l (winter)
Bedbugs don't care what your bag is made of - if they want to bite you they will get in. I think that the suggestion for synthetic instead of down is that it would be easier to treat in case of a bedbug infestation, but that also is debatable. All you need to do to kill bedbugs is to tumble dry on hot for a half hour. No need to wash first, nor use hot water.Also, I have been given advise to use a synthetic sleeping bag instead of down to avoid bedbugs
I wouldn't count on having a hot enough dryer on the Primitivo. I believe the Synthetic would help reduce the spread as bed bugs don't eat synthetc over down. I would also suggest spraying with PremethrinYou really don't need bigger than 40 liters regardless of the season. In fact I'd say 35 liters should be plenty year round.
Bedbugs don't care what your bag is made of - if they want to bite you they will get in. I think that the suggestion for synthetic instead of down is that it would be easier to treat in case of a bedbug infestation, but that also is debatable. All you need to do to kill bedbugs is to tumble dry on hot for a half hour. No need to wash first, nor use hot water.
I wish they preferred the taste of fabrics to "us".Bed bugs don't eat synthetic nor down. They survive on blood.
Hello. Finally decided on my route and stages and prebooked most of accommodation. Now dithering on what to take and leave behind. Backpack currently weighs in at 7kg which = 8% body weight. Would like to knock off at least 1/2kg. Firstly do you recommend boots for ankle support or not? Will be taking & using Pacerpoles. Rectangular Sleeping bag is 1.15kg (don't like mummy bags). Are there any ultra low weight sleeping bags around 600g that aren't mummy style? I have always taken my Keen Clearwater CNX sandals (562g) for evenings and shower. Are there any better lighter weight alternatives that I can consider. All thoughts/contributions gratefully received.
That's excellent....the best i can get it down to is 8.5kg....@Carla M. -- I think this might work...
I always save the laces off all my trailrunners if they are ready for the bin, but not nice enough to donate. I wash them with my laundry and have collected some colorful ones. I use them for things at home and on the camino. For example, I have one tied on my rolling luggage to help identify it quickly on a carousel.I liked having the spare boot laces for a variety of things including tying my shell on my backpack
I find waterproof hiking trousers, as opposed to a waterproof gortex type layer, to be too warm . i carry a light pair of waterproof hard shell trousers that can go over my shorts/ tights if it starts to chuck it downI have always carried a separate pair of waterproof trousers and probably only worn them once or twice during a Camino. Has anyone just worn and walked in trousers/pants that combine hiking and waterproof qualities without need for separate waterproofs? If so which do you recommend and how do they feel and perform?
Hot dryer or leave your backpack in a black trashbag in the hot sun for a couple of hours. There used to be a video link on the forum somewhere showing how long Bed Bugs could survive in a permethrin treated environment. It is a long time...I wouldn't count on having a hot enough dryer on the Primitivo. I believe the Synthetic would help reduce the spread as bed bugs don't eat synthetc over down. I would also suggest spraying with Premethrin
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