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Thank you, Molly. Glad to hear that wine is included! I appreciate it. Buen camino.Wine is almost always included in the menu del dia. Sometimes even a whole bottle. I haven't walked from Sarria but last year I was paying €11 for a menu del dia in non-touristy Asturias. The bus station in Oviedo did menu del dia with a half-bottle of wine for €13.50.
Flog - I appreciate the advice. Thank you.Four or five days of lunches from Sarria to Santiago will be a tiny fraction of the cost of your airline flights across the Atlantic and back. The menu del dia is generally better quality, and a little more expensive than the typical menu del peregrino. Wine is included with both.
Thank you for the advice. I hazard a guess that the siesta is still alive and well in this part of Spain?Look carefully for the places that are obviously popular with pilgrims and then go somewhere else. That way you’ll get a good menu del dia, including alcohol, for 12 - 15€. Just remember that the true mdd is served during Spanish lunch hours not in the evening
Apart from bars and restaurants (and very large supermarkets in the largest towns) almost everything in a Spanish town is likely to be closed from about 2pm until around 5pm. The Spanish take lunch very seriously and are usually in no hurry over it.Thank you for the advice. I hazard a guess that the siesta is still alive and well in this part of Spain?
One rather upmarket place I stopped at once (there was no other choice) was very busy, but they slotted me into a tiny corner table.nobody expects that a single diner will consume the whole thing
Sadly, Istvan and Barbara had to return to Hungary for family reasons. It was a wonderful place to start my first Camino.sadly, now it is closed or at least changed hands, I am not sure which
Yes, they had a really good business model. He would pick people up at the Pamplona Airport. You could stay with them and then he would take you on to St. Jean the next morning. We broke our 2016 walk to Pamplona into 5 days (St. Jean, Orrison, Roncesvalles, Bizkarreta, Zuriain) and so glad we did.Sadly, Istvan and Barbara had to return to Hungary for family reasons. It was a wonderful place to start my first Camino.
Yes, I heard that too. I stayed there on my first Camino and enjoyed the communal meal. I have mini-reunions once a year with the two Americans I met around the dinner table and we are still friends.Sadly, Istvan and Barbara had to return to Hungary for family reasons. It was a wonderful place to start my first Camino.
Istvan drove our group to SJPdP, too, In 2015. I tried to return in 2017, but they had already moved back to Hungary.Yes, they had a really good business model. He would pick people up at the Pamplona Airport. You could stay with them and then he would take you on to St. Jean the next morning. We broke our 2016 walk to Pamplona into 5 days (St. Jean, Orrison, Roncesvalles, Bizkarreta, Zuriain) and so glad we did.
Thank you for the advice. I hazard a guess that the siesta is still alive and well in this part of Spain?
try very hard NOT to walk after 2pm. Especially if its during the "hot" season"... man! that is testing your endurance. All the villages practically become wasteland - its like the scene of some Spaghetti Western where the whole town is abandoned and Cling East....er... YOU are the only person standing in the middle of Calle Mayor!Apart from bars and restaurants (and very large supermarkets in the largest towns) almost everything in a Spanish town is likely to be closed from about 2pm until around 5pm. The Spanish take lunch very seriously and are usually in no hurry over it.
I'll be starting my first-ever Camino (and first trip to Europe, actually) in one month
This recommendation makes little sense to me. The Camino is an excellent trip for a first journey to Europe. Any halfway competent adult can handle the complexities!I would not recommend doing the Camino on your first trip to Europe. You have so much to learn about European travel and culture that this will only distract from your Camino experience.
Yes, and if the OP was still learning to walk and had never left their house alone, maybe the analogy would work. Walking the camino in Spain does not require sophisticated knowledge that can only be gained through extensive European travel.As an analogy, Calculus is much more difficult to understand if you don't have a solid background in the mathematical prerequisites.
Half the posts I read online about the Caminos seem to be designed to make something essentially straightforward seem enormously complicated and difficult! As if the authors want applause for having achieved some miraculous feat beyond mere mortals like their readers....Walking the camino in Spain does not require sophisticated knowledge that can only be gained through extensive European travel.
This again?I would not recommend doing the Camino on your first trip to Europe. You have so much to learn about European travel and culture that this will only distract from your Camino experience
If the wine's undrinkable, ask for gaseosa. It's a faintly sweet soda added to red wine.Good morning, all:
I'll be starting my first-ever Camino (and first trip to Europe, actually) in one month. I'd appreciate any and all advice regarding the price(s)/price range for lunches on the Sarria to Santiago de Compostela route as I'm trying to budget accordingly. (I've previously read that in years past the top end for the menu del dia, for example, is 20 euros, but am not sure how accurate that is now.) I should add that I anticipate buying a glass of alcohol with lunch, so that will obviously add to the cost as I believe that's not included in the set price(s).
On a side note, is the menu del dia truly better than the pilgrim's menu and worth the additional price?
Thank you for any and all advice. Buen camino.
This again?
And are you practicing for something, by repeating this theory that nobody else agrees with?Yes, practice make perfect!
I would not recommend doing the Camino on your first trip to Europe. You have so much to learn about European travel and culture that this will only distract from your Camino experience.
I suggest taking one or more training trips, starting in the UK where there is little language barrier, then move on to the continent. Between trips, you can train at home with a backpack and learn to walk long distances. All this training will result in a much better Camino experience.
As an analogy, Calculus is much more difficult to understand if you don't have a solid background in the mathematical prerequisites.
-Paul
I have only been there once. Way back in another century. If I go back again I think I might take a language course in preparation. Would six months be long enough? Do Duolingo have a course in American for Brits?I promise that, when I contemplate a trip to the USA, I will do a thorough preparation.
Perhaps a practice trip to Canada would be advisable. That course would only be 3 months.If I go back again I think I might take a language course in preparation
It takes more research than you might imagine. Don’t do as I did once and find yourself in a ‘dry county’. It was only one night 30+ years ago, but still.I promise that, when I contemplate a trip to the USA, I will do a thorough preparation. Like reading a travelguide and ask my USA friends for more details.
Yes, it's much quicker when you don't need to learn different orthography.Perhaps a practice trip to Canada would be advisable. That course would only be 3 months.
When I go to UK I always ask my wife to translate because I cannot understand any bloody words at allI have only been there once. Way back in another century. If I go back again I think I might take a language course in preparation. Would six months be long enough? Do Duolingo have a course in American for Brits?
And are you practicing for something, by repeating this theory that nobody else agrees with?
I wish I hadn't read the post especially as I am off on the CF later this month! I always thought it would be rude to leave some.… and while one might receive a whole bottle on the table, it is a bottle for the table… a single person is not expected to consume it all. The bottles are topped up on each turn-over from the house barrels and it’s easier for them in terms of service.
Just like the ever-present bottle of ketchup in a pub, nobody expects that a single diner will consume the whole thing. It’s considered a bit of bad manners… even if nobody would say so directly to the face of the pilgrim who polishes off the whole thing.
Now let me think..... I don't use ketchup so perhaps it was OK to drink the wine!Ketchup or wine?
And traveling to other, more touristy parts of Europe before doing a Camino will prevent you from getting pickpocketed? That's absurd!It's sad to see people making the same mistakes over and over again.
Why are there so many pickpockets? There's always is fresh group of travelers that don't have the skills necessary to secure their valuables. In almost all cases, pickpockets can easily be avoided by investing the time and effort into learning travel skills to properly secure valuables.
-Paul
The Camino is more like travel in Europe when I was a child.
Where???This style of travel is alive today - it just cost a little more these days - about $50 or more per day.
The Camino is already easier than finding $50 per day travel elsewhere in Europe!Once you have had this experience, the Camino is easy!
I totally disagree with what Paul is advocating but he is right to say that you can do much of Europe on $50 a day. In the more glamorous cities that means a hostel, but there are many places where you can get a room for $25 a night. How any of that would give you any training for a Camino is beyond me though!Where???
The Camino is already easier than finding $50 per day travel elsewhere in Europe!
Matters of personal security, how to use a cell phone, how to use an ATM, and managing accommodation are all easier to do when one is engaged in and supported by a community such as the Camino pilgrim community. The Camino Frances provides a well-structured and supported environment that a random trip to Europe does not.In contrast, a person attempting to do the Camino on their first trip to Europe will spend more time learning about travel-related issues, such as personal security, cell phone usage, ATM machines and hotel reservations, then in thinking about the Camino! All this is much harder to do after being exhausted from a 25Km hike. It's just too much to do in one trip.
Don't miss out on the Camino experience by being distracted by travel issues.
Fair enough. But that doesn't need to involve training trips to Europe.I don't understand how anyone could recommend doing the Camino on a whim without proper preparation.
What if you received a half bottle of wine on the table? Was it rude to empty the bottle as a single diner?… and while one might receive a whole bottle on the table, it is a bottle for the table… a single person is not expected to consume it all.
Just like the ever-present bottle of ketchup in a pub, nobody expects that a single diner will consume the whole thing. It’s considered a bit of bad manners… even if nobody would say so directly to the face of the pilgrim who polishes off the whole thing.
On a whim, after taking retirement, and having sat at a desk for years, I decided to walk the Pennine Way which I had a desire to walk since my teenage days in the scouts. Whilst "only" 268 miles, it required map reading/compass skills (which I could still recall). The route follows the rocky spine of England ending over the border into Scotland, not that many people walking, and with little or no signposts at that time. I didn't prepare just relying on my general fitness and belief in my ability. I thoroughly enjoyed my walk with my best friend i.e. my Ordnance Survey Map and compass. In retrospect, I carried too much gear but you have to learn somehow, it didn't affect my enjoyment but only by doing long multiday walks will you know what you are capable of (or not). I guess that I could call this both ways i.e. do lots of preparation or just "go for it" and manage any issues you encounter along the way - perhaps those who would be uncomfortable with "winging it" need to prepare.I don't understand how anyone could recommend doing the Camino on a whim without proper preparation. This only results in repeated stories of horrible blisters, taxis, and stolen items.
-Paul
My mother-in-law walked the Camino Frances five years before I did. My specific preparation for my first Camino consisted almost entirely in asking her about her experience and then reading a book by Laurie Dennett which she lent me. I also spent a few hours with a small teach-yourself Spanish book. Before the internet reached the general public so no videos, online forums or the like. And almost no published books in English on the pilgrimage - at least in its recently recreated form. At that point I had very little experience of travel outside the UK and had never travelled overseas solo. I borrowed Barbara's Spanish-language guidebook from 1985 and booked rail travel to SJPDP. I was reasonably confident in my physical fitness - not a sporty type but I did have experience in hillwalking and long-distance walking. The notion of making a visit to France or Spain in advance simply as some sort of training or reconnaissance would have struck me then as totally unnecessary and with the wealth of information now available at the click of a mouse seems ever more so now.I don't understand how anyone could recommend doing the Camino on a whim without proper preparation.
You are kind of missing my point. It is a pilgrimage for many people who are seeking and not a travel opportunity. The goals are different.Can you walk the Camino on a whim? Yes!
Will proper preparation by investing in travel skills and training with a backpack result in a better Camino? In my opinion, this results in the best possible Camino experience. Why settle for anything less?
-Paul
Can you walk the Camino on a whim? Yes!
Will proper preparation by investing in travel skills and training with a backpack result in a better Camino? In my opinion, this results in the best possible Camino experience. Why settle for anything less?
-Paul
Well.. Like most people I try to be a well-mannered person. I was taught to eat everything on the plate. This is how you show your appreciation to the person who prepared the food, and that you don't throw away good food when there are people starving in the world. I extended that logic to wine and drank the whole thing when I received a 1/2 - 2/3 full bottle of wine on several occasions while I was in Spain. Now I'm learning that was being rude. Oh, well. You live and learn.What does it matter? As per above nobody will say anything
And isn’t that the whole joyful part of it allOh, well. You live and learn.
In some cultures it's considered rude to eat everything on your plate because it could mean that you weren't offered enough food.Well.. Like most people I try to be a well-mannered person. I was taught to eat everything on the plate. This is how you show your appreciation to the person who prepared the food, and that you don't throw away good food when there are people starving in the world
Naaaw - you are not rude! I cant stop you from thinking that perhaps you are, just because you polished a 1/2 bottle of wine, but IMHO that does not constitute rudeness. Just for the heck of it - what are you suppose to do with the remnants? leave the bottle on the table and if so, for what? so it can be dumped into the sink? (or perhaps the waiter will take it home to his wife?!....LOL)Well.. Like most people I try to be a well-mannered person. I was taught to eat everything on the plate. This is how you show your appreciation to the person who prepared the food, and that you don't throw away good food when there are people starving in the world. I extended that logic to wine and drank the whole thing when I received a 1/2 - 2/3 full bottle of wine on several occasions while I was in Spain. Now I'm learning that was being rude. Oh, well. You live and learn.
I think you missed the explanation above: the wine that comes with a Pilgrim’s Menu is purchased in bulk, the bottles are simply topped up and sent out again. It’s normal (and very logical).Just for the heck of it - what are you suppose to do with the remnants? leave the bottle on the table and if so, for what? so it can be dumped into the sink? (or perhaps the waiter will take it home to his wife?!....LOL)
That's not always the case. I've had a bottle of wine that was brought to the table fully sealed and corked. Several times when dining alone they've brought me a small carafe if wine which held 2 - 3 glasses.I think you missed the explanation above: the wine that comes with a Pilgrim’s Menu is purchased in bulk, the bottles are simply topped up and sent out again. It’s normal (and very logical).
That's not always the case. I've had a bottle of wine that was brought to the table fully sealed and corked. Several times when dining alone they've brought me a small carafe if wine which held 2 - 3 glasses.
Hi Alexander.Good morning, all:
I'll be starting my first-ever Camino (and first trip to Europe, actually) in one month. I'd appreciate any and all advice regarding the price(s)/price range for lunches on the Sarria to Santiago de Compostela route as I'm trying to budget accordingly. (I've previously read that in years past the top end for the menu del dia, for example, is 20 euros, but am not sure how accurate that is now.) I should add that I anticipate buying a glass of alcohol with lunch, so that will obviously add to the cost as I believe that's not included in the set price(s).
On a side note, is the menu del dia truly better than the pilgrim's menu and worth the additional price?
Thank you for any and all advice. Buen camino.
I know it's not so romantic as pulling it from a cask, but much of the time, nowadays, the bulk wine that is peregrino- or menu del dia quality comes in those 3- or 4-litre boxes, so the various-sized glass jugs are quite common.That's not always the case. I've had a bottle of wine that was brought to the table fully sealed and corked. Several times when dining alone they've brought me a small carafe if wine which held 2 - 3 glasses.
I did read the explanation above: that a single person is not expected to consume the whole bottle included in a menu del peregrino, and that the bottles are topped up on each turn-over from the house barrels and and that nobody expects that a single diner will consume the whole thing. It’s considered a bit of bad manners… even if nobody would say so directly to the face of the pilgrim who polishes off the whole thing.I think you missed the explanation above: the wine that comes with a Pilgrim’s Menu is purchased in bulk, the bottles are simply topped up and sent out again. It’s normal (and very logical).
I have, on one occasion in Spain (not on camino) been given and already open (not full) bottle of wine. I have also, on occasion received a carafe or a glass of wine. I have also been given a whole bottle of wine that was opened at the table and in the bus station restaurant at Oviedo, a commercially bottled half-bottle, which was again opened at the table.I did read the explanation above: that a single person is not expected to consume the whole bottle included in a menu del peregrino, and that the bottles are topped up on each turn-over from the house barrels and and that nobody expects that a single diner will consume the whole thing. It’s considered a bit of bad manners… even if nobody would say so directly to the face of the pilgrim who polishes off the whole thing.
Is it actually true? I've never heard this before. Can someone with knowledge of the subject matter confirm this?
I would find it quite strange that bottles of wine are topped up and that the left-over wine that has been served to a pilgrim is served again to the next one and then the next one.
I've not paid attention to it on Camino because we usually opted for water instead of wine or we were two or more at the table when we opted for the wine included in the menu price ... but in other wine-growing areas and not wine-growing areas such as France, Germany and the Benelux, when you order the "house wine" - the cheapest on the list - the wine is served in a glass or an open jug that holds less than the 3/4 litre of a standard wine bottle. One would expect that this method is not unfamiliar to the restaurant owners of Spain if they are keen on not wasting wine.
I have found that when a small bottle of gaseosa is already set out on every table or brought by default with the wine then you should probably brace yourself for something a little rough!In general the volume of wine is in inverse proportion to its quality. In more up-market restaurants you are more likely to get a glass of good wine with your menu del dia.
The standard size of a bottle of wine is 750 ml. If it was served in an open bottle that was not full, this corresponds to 375 ml to 500 ml. I come from a wine-growing area where this would be 1 resp. 2 glasses (250 ml each). For a grown man and his meal on a day of hard physical labour ... not at all considered unusual.drank the whole thing when I received a 1/2 - 2/3 full bottle of wine on several occasions while I was in Spain. Now I'm learning that was being rude. Oh, well. You live and learn.
Ah, at least there is now an explanation for your persistent advice to practice European travel before embarking on European Camino travel.attribute my wonderful experience on the Camino because I already had many independent trips to Europe and hundreds of miles of training with a backpack. That gave me a solid background and set me up for a successful Camino.
I must admit consuming 3 x 250ml glasses of wine over say a 2 hr dinner wouldn’t strike me as rude or madly excessive. I think different nations may see it differently.The standard size of a bottle of wine is 750 ml. If it was served in an open bottle that was not full, this corresponds to 375 ml to 500 ml. I come from a wine-growing area where this would be 1 resp. 2 glasses (250 ml each). For a grown man and his meal on a day of hard physical labour ... not at all considered unusual.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet ...
It is not at all clear what is being discussed other than what a single poster considered as "good manners" in restaurants/bars in Spain frequented by pilgrims on Camino and ordering the menu del peregrino: Open bottles? Unopened bottles? Full open bottles? Half full open bottles? Refill of partially emptied bottles for the next customer?I must admit consuming 3 x 250ml glasses of wine over say a 2 hr dinner wouldn’t strike me as rude or madly excessive. I think different nations may see it differently.
Excuse me while I go and bang my head against the wall. Training trips? It's a walk in a first world country. With places to stay. Good grief.I would not recommend doing the Camino on your first trip to Europe. You have so much to learn about European travel and culture that this will only distract from your Camino experience.
I suggest taking one or more training trips, starting in the UK where there is little language barrier, then move on to the continent. Between trips, you can train at home with a backpack and learn to walk long distances. All this training will result in a much better Camino experience.
As an analogy, Calculus is much more difficult to understand if you don't have a solid background in the mathematical prerequisites.
-Paul
Don’t bang your head against the wall without some supervised training first!Excuse me while I go and bang my head against the wall. Training trips? It's a walk in a first world country. With places to stay. Good grief.
I think that the pilgrim is expected to be able to leave the bar or restaurant on their own two feet without falling over.So, can someone shed more light on this: Is the peregrin@ expected to leave wine behind in the menu del peregrino bottle on the table?
Oh yes, I feel your pain. The PTSD lasts for a long time after that sort of experience.It takes more research than you might imagine. Don’t do as I did once and find yourself in a ‘dry county’. It was only one night 30+ years ago, but still.
Whilst I've not actually seen them filling it from a physical barrel I have on both the Inglés and the Primitivo last year witnessed the bartender pouring the remnants of one bottle into another using a funnel. The bottles were 'clean skins' /unlabeled bottles. This would suggest that as posted above that they buy the wine in bulk and simply put it in bottles to bring out to the table. No different than pouring it into a carafe, other than the bottle minimises the wine's exposure to the air - not really an issue with such cheap wine!I did read the explanation above: that a single person is not expected to consume the whole bottle included in a menu del peregrino, and that the bottles are topped up on each turn-over from the house barrels and and that nobody expects that a single diner will consume the whole thing. It’s considered a bit of bad manners… even if nobody would say so directly to the face of the pilgrim who polishes off the whole thing.
Is it actually true? I've never heard this before. Can someone with knowledge of the subject matter confirm this?
I would find it quite strange that bottles of wine are topped up and that the left-over wine that has been served to a pilgrim is served again to the next one and then the next one.
I've not paid attention to it on Camino because I've usually opted for water instead of wine or we were two or more at the table when we opted for the wine included in the menu price ... but in other wine-growing areas and not wine-growing areas such as France, Germany and the Benelux, when you order the "house wine" - the cheapest on the list - the wine is served in a glass or an open jug that holds less than the 3/4 litre of a standard wine bottle. One would expect that this method is not unfamiliar to the restaurant owners of Spain if they are keen on not wasting wine.
I live on France and that's how I buy my everyday wine. Usually in a 3 litre bag in box which fits nicely in the fridge or on the table and keeps for as long as it needs to. The bag collapses as it's emptied so the air doesn't get in. Sometimes the box is omitted but there is always a tap at the bottom. Good system. A bit cheaper than in a bottle and no waste. Somehow I always end up drinking more if I open a bottle. Especially if it has bubbles and is made in Reims.When we bought wine at the "restaurant supplier" in Santo Domingo de la Calzada for the albergue where we were serving we bought bulk Rioja wine.
As a teenager in New Zealand that's how we used to buy our wine too - in 3 and 4 liter casks. The empty bladders reinflated a little make quite good pillows afterwardsI live on France and that's how I buy my everyday wine. Usually in a 3 litre bag in box which fits nicely in the fridge or on the table and keeps for as long as it needs to. The bag collapses as it's emptied so the air doesn't get in. Sometimes the box is omitted but there is always a tap at the bottom. Good system. A bit cheaper than in a bottle and no waste. Somehow I always end up drinking more if I open a bottle. Especially if it has bubbles and is made in Reims.
This would not bother me either, and as you said it is not different from serving wine in a carafe.This would suggest that as posted above that they buy the wine in bulk and simply put it in bottles to bring out to the table. No different than pouring it into a carafe, other than the bottle minimises the wine's exposure to the air - not really an issue with such cheap wine! Whilst I was initially surprised it didn't bother me in the slightest.
That's certainly the system in France. Usually it's possible to buy exactly the same wine both in bag in box and bottle, in the middle of the price range at least. My local pub serves a very nice Pays d'Oc in cafafe or bottle ( 25cl or 50cl or 1 litre in carafe, the bottle is standard 75cl) . Many places (including this one) no longer include wine to keep the meal price down, and a lot of people don't want alcoholic drinks at lunchtime.Whilst I've not actually seen them filling it from a physical barrel I have on both the Inglés and the Primitivo last year witnessed the bartender pouring the remnants of one bottle into another using a funnel. The bottles were 'clean skins' - what a vintner friend of mine calls an unlabeled bottle. This would suggest that as posted above that they buy the wine in bulk and simply put it in bottles to bring out to the table. No different than pouring it into a carafe, other than the bottle minimises the wine's exposure to the air - not really an issue with such cheap wine!
Whilst I was initially surprised it didn't bother me in the slightest. I am not buying a 2010 Rioja Gran Reserva 890, nor are they presenting it as such.
Incidentally I am not suggesting that they would follow this practice with labeled bottles of wine. That's a whole different story.
I agree it would be interesting to have other, independent confirmation
True I got more involved in answering all the follow-up questions than the original post...The earlier post in this thread is the first time that I heard of this advice on good manners or expectations from the restaurant or bar owner in Spain.
Yet another classic case of cultural difference. As the waiter in such a situation I would have no difficulty in saying 'certainly, shall I add it to the bill or are you paying separately' or some such, however that does not appear to be the Spanish way.At the end of the meal, one or two pilgrims asked for more wine, and it was served but I felt this was done reluctantly - I was embarrassed by their ordering more wine and expecting it to be free but I did not say anything.
Which is way I think it does no harm to discuss such seemingly trivial details and differences. When I read the earlier post with the comparison between a bottle of ketchup on the table and the menu del peregrino wine I was thinking to myself: hm, where I live there is usually no ketchup bottle on the table, not even in the typical everyday restaurants.Yet another classic case of cultural difference.
Good point. Soft drinks are often more expensive than wine in many parts of Spain I always think of €2 as par but often much cheaper! It’s just flows easily back and forth with no fuss! I struggle to imagine anyone getting too emotional about it!My two bits' worth:
I sense the heart of this discussion is the relative perception of "value of the wine," if I can call it that.
In Spain and Portugal, table wine is so cheap as to seem to locals just a tiny bit more valuable than water.
I can buy a 1-litre box of wine (admittedly, not great, but drinkable) for less than 1 euro in a supermarket. It's definitely cheaper than pop/soda.
This is something of a foreign concept for those of us who come from countries where even the cheapest wine is not objectively "cheap," mostly because there are a lot of taxes on any alcohol. "Free wine with a meal" is not something you would find in a cheap café--in Canada, anyway!
Thus, to many of us, whether we drink 1 glass, or 1/2 glass, or 2 glasses of free house wine, is significant. To the Iberian café owner, not so much.
All the same, I suspect a local, particularly in a small town, would consider a peregrino less than gracious, and possibly taking advantage of local generosity, to ask for more than what was already offered with the menu del dia.
I guess we need to change the title of the thread to Current Liquid Lunch PricesMy two bits' worth:
I sense the heart of this discussion is the relative perception of "value of the wine," if I can call it that.
In Spain and Portugal, table wine is so cheap as to seem to locals just a tiny bit more valuable than water.
I can buy a 1-litre box of wine (admittedly, not great, but drinkable) for less than 1 euro in a supermarket. It's definitely cheaper than pop/soda.
Why not? It's as cheap to make so an increased price is likely due to tax. If there is no extra tax on the beer then the cost should reflect the production cost.I guess we need to change the title of the thread to Current Liquid Lunch Pricesto properly reflect the noted heart of discussion
re: also noted price of wine vs soda\pop - I do recall being totally floored when in 2010 during a Black Sea\Dnieper River cruise on Viking line the bottle of Ukrainian beer was cheaper than a bottle of Coke\Pepsi.
My very first Camino (2014) AND trip to Europe were also one and the same, I loved both so much that this year is my forth Camino, and I never went home! Still enjoying the awesome experience of both!Yes, practice make perfect! The more effort you put into the Camino, the better the experience.
-Paul
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