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On my first Camino hot water was such a rarity that I noted down in my diary the days when I found hot showers in a refugio. Remarkable how expectations have been raised over the years!The beds may have been good, but I neglected to tell them that the showers never, ever produced hot water.
One albergue came immediately to mind. Then I remembered that the beds were terrible at that albergue, but there was hot water in the showers that evening … no hot water anywhere in the morning. Not much was working in the morning. It was quite the adventure and a memorable experience.Anyone care to guess which Albergue. It was on the Frances?
Nice one son.I was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
It is a mystery to me too.And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
Why not just book a Camino Tour?I've been noticing on Camino FB groups people who want to have their luggage transported, but have booked into Airbnbs or similar accommodations where the transport companies don't do drop-offs and pick-ups. And of course they are complaining about it.
It seems to me that if you want to avail yourself of this service you should stay in places that the transport companies service. There's pretty high expectations of a service that only costs about 6 - 7 Euros a day!
Do at least tell us the stage to look at...... so we can commentSome entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
Sigh! As @Robo says, eye rollI've been noticing on Camino FB groups people who want to have their luggage transported, but have booked into Airbnbs or similar accommodations where the transport companies don't do drop-offs and pick-ups. And of course they are complaining about it.
And as for this …I just can’t fathom how you can embark on a camino like the Mozarabe and have this attitude and these expectations. A wonderful path and wonderful local people. No expectations of commerce at your convenience, just a lovely surprise and gratitude to come across an open shop or cafe when least expected.Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
100% agreeI think that the concept of 'it's my camino and I can do it however I want' has been taken to its extreme.
A few days ago on one of the Facebook camino groups the topic of one-way ticket travel came up. The post was inquiring if it was risky, and one of the replies encouraged everyone simply to explain to the immigration agent that you are a pilgrim and that you don't know how long it will take.... 'they will understand.' All I could thing about was the puzzled look on the airline agents face, in Atlanta GA, who was no doubt imagining the Mayflower.
Most of us who have walked a few times have seen behaviour far outside the norm and are no longer surprised by it.Mankind ... that is how many of us are.
But I do not get it either as I do not know anyone close to me who would think / behave like that. It must be different groups of people, far away from my personal bubble.
Thanks for your detailed reply.Spanish. Google translates automatically.
I read through his other reviews and generally they're positive, with the exception of tourism offices with poor hours that meant he couldn't get his credential stamped.
I guess he was caught short.
The particular town I'm talking about is small and the shops only open a few hours and restaurant doesn't open every evening- the evening I arrived it opened til 6 according to google but in reality had already closed for the day if it opened at all.
The hostal was functional but didn't as much as have salt or teabags, but the owner saw the predicament and provided a bag of dry pasta between 3 of us.
I had a can of sardines in spicy sauce and a jar of peppers, plus a small pouch of olives, nescafe, (and a pastry and banana for breakfast) so we were able to scramble together a meal for 2. i guess the 3rd person had their own provisions.
I do remember somewhere on here having a meltdown as someone had parked their bike in a place that spoilt that ability to take an unobstructed photo of a particular momument!100% agree
I don't even want to ask which FB group that was, but could take a guess. I will say that particular flavor of myopic entitlement of people who probably need to get out into the world more, is one of the reasons why I've since removed myself from, er, less moderated camino FB-based groups and stuck with this forum.
On arriving at the last available Albergue, minutes before the sole Hospitalero went off duty, a small group asked to inspect the beds before checking in. They were surprised at the "No" response. They repeated the request to see the beds, and received another clear and firm "No".
Oh, I have seen if quite often, and not only with pilgrims. But not in my wider peer groups. It always seems to be "the distant others". If I ever saw such behaviour with a friend or colleague I would force him or her into a deep conversation afterwards ;-)Most of us who have walked a few times have seen behaviour far outside the norm and are no longer surprised by it.
Reminds me of a tourist lady in Belize who hired a local guide to take her to some ruins far away from any infrastructure ... and then she started complaining to that poor guide that he took her on "an adventure, not a trip". And for her "adventure" apparently was something terrible. She kept repeating this like a mantra "This is an adventure, not a trip!". Me and my British friend and our guide watched this from a distance: Howler monkeys, jungle, mayan ruins, a magnificent sight ... but then right in the centre of the scene this lady whining and complaining all the time as if she was hoping someone would safe her from this terrible situation.Well that happens when people want the infrastructure of the Francés but without any other people walking...
In German we call that someone who wants the "eierlegende Wollmilchsau". Which translates to "Egg laying wooly dairy sow". A miraculous farm animal that produces eggs, wool, milk, and meat at the same time.
Some people apparently don't understand that it doesn't exist.
Either you have a lonely path or one with perfect infrastructure!
Some bed inspectors have indeed valid reasons, such as a bad back such that their next day or the whole Camino could be ruined if they slept in the wrong kind of bed.Ah, the bed inspectors.
I didn't know it was a thing until I did the CF and an American pilgrim asked the hospitalero to see the bed before he paid. His request was refused so he went somewhat else. Which is fine, I guess.
Bedbugs weren't really a concern at the time but he probably had a reason - like didn't want the room to be too cramped, or to be beside the bathroom etc
Ah, the bed inspectors.
I didn't know it was a thing until I did the CF and an American pilgrim asked the hospitalero to see the bed before he paid. His request was refused so he went somewhat else. Which is fine, I guess.
Bedbugs weren't really a concern at the time but he probably had a reason - like didn't want the room to be too cramped, or to be beside the bathroom etc
Tell me more...I would really like to know. I can say here that I have a special copy of a book written by a scholar, available to be collected by anyone, anyone, who passes by Dublin. Title: Medieval Irish Pilgrims to Santiago de Compostela. Author: Bernadette Cunningham. I will respond if anyone sends a pm. I know there are more copies available, Really, treasures, for those who care about origins.A few days ago on one of the Facebook camino groups the topic of one-way ticket travel came up. The post was inquiring if it was risky, and one of the replies encouraged everyone simply to explain to the immigration agent that you are a pilgrim and that you don't know how long it will take.... 'they will understand.' All I could thing about was the puzzled look on the airline agents face, in Atlanta GA, who was no doubt imagining the Mayflower. Entitlement indeed.
But you see it elsewhere too, when pilgrims on the trail complain that there is a car driving down the road (he lives on that road and you are walking on his driveway) or that cyclists should ride elsewhere; presumably because this trail is for pilgrims and pilgrims only. From April to October I drive a great deal more carefully in the mornings, when pilgrim nearby wander off trail to follow the road (it's 100m shorter) while keeping their head down to monitor their progress on the phones... completely aloof to the very real threat around them.
I think that the concept of 'it's my camino and I can do it however I want' has been taken to its extreme.
I often say, only half joking, that the only real difference between pilgrimage today and pilgrimage 1000 years ago is bridges and wifi, and that for everything else there is a parallel. But I do wonder what the earliest pilgrims thought of themselves in relationship to the big world of non-pilgrims around them.
A few days ago on one of the Facebook camino groups the topic of one-way ticket travel came up. The post was inquiring if it was risky, and one of the replies encouraged everyone simply to explain to the immigration agent that you are a pilgrim and that you don't know how long it will take.... 'they will understand.' All I could thing about was the puzzled look on the airline agents face, in Atlanta GA, who was no doubt imagining the Mayflower. Entitlement indeed.
Well saidI was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
Yes I find those are opportunities for a kind loving teachable moment - whether or not they are received is not under my control, I simply aim to walk with kindness, regardless.....Entitlement. Yes, I see it everywhere on Facebook Camino groups. My fault of course, I belong to way too many groups, but it's quite pervasive.
Last week I read a comment by a woman who was shocked to hear that she had to limit the weight of her luggage transported by a company to about 13 kilos. I reacted by saying that unless there are medical issues, 13 kg shouldn't be a problem since I carry 7 kilos max on my back including water and snacks. I didn't get a response from her. I guess I should just stay away from such posts but sometimes I can't help myself
That was Leon and as my local friends said the sign is there for a purpose - ie group photos etc and not as somewhere to park bikes. I have to add the for cyclists to follow the walking route how ever narrow and shout essentially "out of my way I am faster than you" to walkers is an example of extreme entitlement.I do remember somewhere on here having a meltdown as someone had parked their bike in a place that spoilt that ability to take an unobstructed photo of a particular momument!
I read this on a sign somewhere: “Tourists demand. Pilgrims show gratitude.” Seems about right.I was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
YesI was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
I couldn't agree with you more. So many out there who want the world to accomodate THEM instead of THEM adapting and adjusting to the world.I was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
Hopefully the local clientele do not care about poor reviews and will patronize this local business. I was a bit grumpy a few times when I was hungry or thirsty and nothing was open. I just mumble to myself about my poor planning. We are merely visitors in their town.I was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
Some of us still don't have a constant supply of water, hot or cold, at home, and are therefore delighted to find any working showers in an albergue. Older members on this forum may even recall the tin bath in front of the fire...On my first Camino hot water was such a rarity that I noted down in my diary the days when I found hot showers in a refugio. Remarkable how expectations have been raised over the years!
One tolerant part of my mind tends to blame the entitlement on the way that the Camino is now portrayed. The adverts tend to say that it is easy (which it isn't), convienent (which it isn't), comfortable (which it can be but some days are just awful), and predictable (which it certainly isn't). It seems to be more and more advertised as a "walk in the park" type experience rather than the realively difficult walk, eat, walk, sleep, repeat cycle that we all know and love by now.
Agree!!I was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
If it's that important to one's health, it's probably best to book a private lodging.Some bed inspectors have indeed valid reasons, such as a bad back such that their next day or the whole Camino coutld be ruined if they slept in the wrong kind of bed
But then, many are just picky I suppose.
I remember a time when guide books, especially those published in north America, told readers that they ought to ask to inspect their rooms and that the hotelier would be happy if not eager to take time out from their busy schedule to show them around!Oh, I have seen if quite often, and not only with pilgrims. But not in my wider peer groups. It always seems to be "the distant others". If I ever saw such behaviour with a friend or colleague I would force him or her into a deep conversation afterwards ;-)
Probably the same guide books which tell people that their name will be read out at the pilgrim mass in the cathedral in Santiago. Of course the Dean will be overjoyed to name the 3,000+ on a busy day one-by-one.....I remember a time when guide books, especially those published in north America, told readers that they ought to ask to inspect their rooms and that the hotelier would be happy if not eager to take time out from their busy schedule to show them around!
I’d guess maybe the municipal in Najera except for the hot water partOn arriving at the last available Albergue, minutes before the sole Hospitalero went off duty, a small group asked to inspect the beds before checking in. They were surprised at the "No" response. They repeated the request to see the beds, and received another clear and firm "No".
Overhearing this, and knowing that the other Albergues were full, I piped up to assure them that the beds were very good. In fact, due to Covid, the privacy and spacing of beds was much better than my first stay there in 2018.
To ease the situation, I asked where they had walked from that day and then asked if they were Peregrinos, to which the lead person, in an only slightly less indignant tone said "Well, we have these passports", referring to their Credentials.
The Hospitalero, perhaps pretending to be reluctant, checked them in.
The beds may have been good, but I neglected to tell them that the showers never, ever produced hot water.All part of the wonderful experience that is the Camino.
Anyone care to guess which Albergue. It was on the Frances?
100% agree with this. When in another country, it’s up to you, as a visitor, to acclimate to their way of doing things and be respectful. To try to hurt a small business with undeserved bad reviews is ridiculous. It’s probably the same people that are in this forum insulting anyone that doesn’t choose to do their Camino exactly like they think it should be done… Miserable people that aren’t happy unless they’re tearing others down. I’m shocked at how many of those I’ve seen on this forum.I was walking through a small town with an ageing population of over 3000 ppl that marks the end of a (gronze) stage on the mozarabe and, in advance, checked the availability of grocery stores. One small shop opens daily from 10am to 1.30pm.
Obviously, that schedule isn't good for me so I'd better bring my own food. Or arrive early or set off late. (I brought food)
Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame...". Someone else left a 1-star rating and I'm guessing for similar reasons.
And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from? People choose a camino devoid of crowds then moan that shops don't open especially for them at 8am (when they depart) or maybe 3-4pm when they arrive.
I think it's every pilgrim's obligation to be grateful and hopefully leave a good impression with our hosts.
100% agree with this. When in another country, it’s up to you, as a visitor, to acclimate to their way of doing things and be respectful. To try to hurt a small business with undeserved bad reviews is ridiculous. It’s probably the same people that are in this forum insulting anyone that doesn’t choose to do their Camino exactly like they think it should be done… Miserable people that aren’t happy unless they’re tearing others down. I’m shocked at how many of those I’ve seen on this forum.
I guess one result of complainers broadcasting over many forums is that people like them that read the unreasonable complaints are probably no going to do a camino. Isn’t that a good thing for the sincere pilgrims who are considerate and appreciate the full experience? Good for all.Entitlement. Yes, I see it everywhere on Facebook Camino groups. My fault of course, I belong to way too many groups, but it's quite pervasive.
Last week I read a comment by a woman who was shocked to hear that she had to limit the weight of her luggage transported by a company to about 13 kilos. I reacted by saying that unless there are medical issues, 13 kg shouldn't be a problem since I carry 7 kilos max on my back including water and snacks. I didn't get a response from her. I guess I should just stay away from such posts but sometimes I can't help myself
That does not sound like my experience of this forum. I have found the forum on the whole a respectful space and very well moderated - especially when compared with other platforms such as Facebook groups. There can be genuine differences of opinion which are not personal attacks. If you feel that a particular post oversteps the boundaries of respectful debate then report it and the moderators will consider if any action is necessary. Or perhaps pause and ask yourself if you are being overly sensitive and defensive on encountering an alternative point of view.Miserable people that aren’t happy unless they’re tearing others down. I’m shocked at how many of those I’ve seen on this forum.
I’ve seen it 3 times now, and I’m fairly new to the forum and haven’t read all that many threads. On this thread alone, there is someone insulting people taking a baggage service, saying they should “just take a tour”. It’s not just giving an opinion, it’s trying to demean others. It’s a personal journey. Some people would do well to remember that and keep their negativity to themselves. There are many ways to do a Camino. We all think our way is the best way.That does not sound like my experience of this forum. I have found the forum on the whole a respectful space and very well moderated - especially when compared with other platforms such as Facebook groups. There can be genuine differences of opinion which are not personal attacks. If you feel that a particular post oversteps the boundaries of respectful debate then report it and the moderators will consider if any action is necessary. Or perhaps pause and ask yourself if you are being overly sensitive and defensive on encountering an alternative point of view.
Much better for cyclists to alert others to their presence with a bell and/or a shout than not. It also helps if they slow down to more or less walking pace when they encounter walkers.That was Leon and as my local friends said the sign is there for a purpose - ie group photos etc and not as somewhere to park bikes. I have to add the for cyclists to follow the walking route how ever narrow and shout essentially "out of my way I am faster than you" to walkers is an example of extreme entitlement.
That does not sound like my experience of this forum. I have found the forum on the whole a respectful space and very well moderated - especially when compared with other platforms such as Facebook groups. There can be genuine differences of opinion which are not personal attacks. If you feel that a particular post oversteps the boundaries of respectful debate then report it and the moderators will consider if any action is necessary. Or perhaps pause and ask yourself if you are being overly sensitive and defensive on encountering an alternative point of view.
Have you reported these posts to the moderators? And if so have the moderators taken any action in reply?I’ve seen it 3 times now, and I’m fairly new to the forum and haven’t read all that many threads.
On this thread alone, there is someone insulting people taking a baggage service, saying they should “just take a tour”.
I've been noticing on Camino FB groups people who want to have their luggage transported, but have booked into Airbnbs or similar accommodations where the transport companies don't do drop-offs and pick-ups. And of course they are complaining about it.
Admittedly, I haven’t. On one of them, one of the moderators came on to say that he thought the discussion was going to head south… and it did. It’s definitely the minority though. I just hate seeing it at all, because some of these judgmental, negative comments could potentially discourage someone from attempting their Camino.Have you reported these posts to the moderators? And if so have the moderators taken any action in reply?
Admittedly, I haven’t. On one of them, one of the moderators came on to say that he thought the discussion was going to head south… and it did. It’s definitely the minority though. I just hate seeing it at all, because some of these judgmental, negative comments could potentially discourage someone from attempting their Camino.
I've often wondered whether hospitaleros have their own private forum for warning colleagues about pilgrims from hell coming their way.Entitlement. Yes, I see it everywhere on Facebook Camino groups. My fault of course, I belong to way too many groups, but it's quite pervasive.
Last week I read a comment by a woman who was shocked to hear that she had to limit the weight of her luggage transported by a company to about 13 kilos. I reacted by saying that unless there are medical issues, 13 kg shouldn't be a problem since I carry 7 kilos max on my back including water and snacks. I didn't get a response from her. I guess I should just stay away from such posts but sometimes I can't help myself
I felt this acutely while walking the Norte this past October. Peregrinos repeatedly insisting that the locals speak English to them and lots of condescending behavior towards hospitaleros and folks working the bars. I was shocked and angry. Took some of the Peregrinos aside and had a little conversation with them in English. It wasn’t pretty. It’s a lasting bad taste that lingers & I don’t know where does this entitlement come from?And i wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from?
If someone has issues with mobility and are already on the fence, some jerk coming on here insulting those doing it with a luggage service, may indeed discourage them. Indeed.. we’re all adults. Too bad some on here don’t know how to mind their own business and act like one. I’m not going to reply to anyone else. Anyone that thinks the negativity is alright is likely a big part of the problem.I hardly believe that a less positive comment here would discourage someone to walk a Camino.
If that would be the case then they hold way too much importance to the given comment/ advise.
We are all adults here and able to make up our mind.
On some Caminos, they sorta do.I've often wondered whether hospitaleros have their own private forum for warning colleagues about pilgrims from hell coming their way.
Hi Cheryl,On this thread alone, there is someone insulting people taking a baggage service, saying they should “just take a tour”.
If someone has issues with mobility and are already on the fence, some jerk coming on here insulting those doing it with a luggage service, may indeed discourage them. Indeed.. we’re all adults. Too bad some on here don’t know how to mind their own business and act like one. I’m not going to reply to anyone else. Anyone that thinks the negativity is alright is likely a big part of the problem.
Is calling a contributor a 'jerk' (having misinterpreted their comment) improving the inclusivity of the forum?If someone has issues with mobility and are already on the fence, some jerk coming on here insulting those doing it with a luggage service, may indeed discourage them. Indeed.. we’re all adults. Too bad some on here don’t know how to mind their own business and act like one. I’m not going to reply to anyone else. Anyone that thinks the negativity is alright is likely a big part of the problem.
If someone has issues with mobility and are already on the fence, some jerk coming on here insulting those doing it with a luggage service, may indeed discourage them
Personally, I didn't take Robo's comment that way.I’ve seen it 3 times now, and I’m fairly new to the forum and haven’t read all that many threads. On this thread alone, there is someone insulting people taking a baggage service, saying they should “just take a tour”. It’s not just giving an opinion, it’s trying to demean others. It’s a personal journey. Some people would do well to remember that and keep their negativity to themselves. There are many ways to do a Camino. We all think our way is the best way.
there was a convention where people were cooking food on small portable burners in their rooms and used the toilet tanks for an impromptu refrigerators (so they would wrap, say, the whole chicken or a package of meat in cellophane or use a plastic bag and just dunk it into the tank)
I agree and this hack is probably one of the best rants so far.That is hilarious.
During my hikes I've put some cheese in a plastic container, put that in a river, and a heavy stone on top so that the container doesn't sail away, as an "improvised refrigerator" on 40°C days when camping...
But putting food into the toilet tanks is a life hack I never heard of. Amazing. A little bit disgusting, too, but you never known when you'll be desperate enough...!
Well... we can go to the OP and say...The string title is like a red cape to a bull. But there seems to be something ironic about people complaining about cocomplainers
i think you’re taking Robo’s comment out of context, though he is perfectly capable of defending himself. He was responding to the previous comment that had noted how people are complaining that their 6-7 € luggage transport service doesn’t allow dropping off at an airbnb, which presumably would require the owner of the facility and the luggage transport guy to get together and set up delivery, etc. If you expect to have the amenities that a tour offers, take a tour! They are plentiful and readily available on many camino routes. I don’t think that insults anyone.On this thread alone, there is someone insulting people taking a baggage service, saying they should “just take a tour”
Would that be a translation of "Mal horario que no es operativo para visitantes ni peregrinos que hacemos el Camino Mozárabe de Santiago... una pena" ?Some entitled git left a 2 star review, "Bad schedule that is not operational for visitors or pilgrims who do the Camino Mozarabe... a shame..."
It’s probably the same people that are in this forum insulting anyone that doesn’t choose to do their Camino exactly like they think it should be done… Miserable people that aren’t happy unless they’re tearing others down. I’m shocked at how many of those I’ve seen on this forum.
Cheryl - I am offended by your claims and assumptions about this community. We have quite a variety of members - all with personalities and imperfections and almost all with good intentions. The member who you so harshly insult has been a good and kind contributor for many years. Your anger is misplaced.some jerk coming on here insulting those doing it with a luggage service
Very true.I’m fairly new to the forum and haven’t read all that many threads... Some people would do well to remember that and keep their negativity to themselves.
yes...Is it only me that’s really dislikes these types of sayings!!
No.Is it only me that’s really dislikes these types of sayings!!
No - they wind me up too! A particular anti-favourite is "the Camino provides... "Is it only me that’s really dislikes these types of sayings!!
Yes me too!!No - they wind me up too! A particular anti-favourite is "the Camino provides... "
1000 years ago, they all were pilgrims in the truest sense. Today it's a mix of pilgrims and tourists. My guess is that entitled crowd are part of the tourist group.A few days ago on one of the Facebook camino groups the topic of one-way ticket travel came up. The post was inquiring if it was risky, and one of the replies encouraged everyone simply to explain to the immigration agent that you are a pilgrim and that you don't know how long it will take.... 'they will understand.' All I could thing about was the puzzled look on the airline agents face, in Atlanta GA, who was no doubt imagining the Mayflower. Entitlement indeed.
But you see it elsewhere too, when pilgrims on the trail complain that there is a car driving down the road (he lives on that road and you are walking on his driveway) or that cyclists should ride elsewhere; presumably because this trail is for pilgrims and pilgrims only. From April to October I drive a great deal more carefully in the mornings, when pilgrim nearby wander off trail to follow the road (it's 100m shorter) while keeping their head down to monitor their progress on the phones... completely aloof to the very real threat around them.
I think that the concept of 'it's my camino and I can do it however I want' has been taken to its extreme.
I often say, only half joking, that the only real difference between pilgrimage today and pilgrimage 1000 years ago is bridges and wifi, and that for everything else there is a parallel. But I do wonder what the earliest pilgrims thought of themselves in relationship to the big world of non-pilgrims around them.
Why do you think that?1000 years ago, they all were pilgrims in the truest sense. Today it's a mix of pilgrims and tourists. My guess is that entitled crowd are part of the tourist group.
1000 years ago, they all were pilgrims in the truest sense. Today it's a mix of pilgrims and tourists. My guess is that entitled crowd are part of the tourist group.
And with that, it is time to close this thread. Please read Rule 3.1000 years ago, they all were pilgrims in the truest sense. Today it's a mix of pilgrims and tourists. My guess is that entitled crowd are part of the tourist group.
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