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A new pack that could be a Camino fav!

Camino(s) past & future
SJPDP-Finisterre X 2 - 2016 & 2017, El Norte - Irun to Vilalba 2018
#2
Gossamer Gear has just released a new bag called the Ranger which is a 35 litre panel loader with a mesh pocket on the back as well. This means it only opens half way but still might be what people are looking for!

Ranger 35
That does look like a great pack! I'm going to post it on the "perfect panel load backpack" thread.
 
Camino(s) past & future
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#7
100% agree with the above. Verses a top loader where you have to push everything to the bottom. Many newer packs are top loaders because they are about lighter but they sacrifice the ease of use If you need the thing at the bottom of the pack you can just grab it out in a panel loader. A top loader means you have to pull everything out.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Francés (Spring '17)
Primitivo (Spring '18)
Madrid (April '19)
#8
Having it only open halfway defeats much of the purpose of being a panel loader for me. The whole point of them is that you have easy access to everything in the bag. If it only opens halfway, you are probably going to have to take out some stuff to get to the stuff at the bottom/end.
 
Camino(s) past & future
May 2016
#9
Gossamer Gear has just released a new bag called the Ranger which is a 35 litre panel loader with a mesh pocket on the back as well. This means it only opens half way but still might be what people are looking for!

Ranger 35
35 litre bag seems a little on the small side though? I'd like to see a 50/55 litre one...thanks for the heads up I'll have a look at thier range. God bless.
 

Hurry Krishna

Indian on the Way
Camino(s) past & future
2009 (from Sarria), 2014 from St Jean Pied de Port, 2016 from Porto, 2018 from Le Puy to Santiago.
#10
Gossamer Gear has just released a new bag called the Ranger which is a 35 litre panel loader with a mesh pocket on the back as well. This means it only opens half way but still might be what people are looking for!

Ranger 35
Can’t seem to find the specs. Is it rain-proof? How much does it weigh?
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
#13
Can’t seem to find the specs. Is it rain-proof? How much does it weigh?
No, the pack is not rain proof.


Weight
  • Total - 33.93 oz / 962 g
  • Pack - 26.95 oz / 764 g
  • Frame - 6.98 oz / 198 g
Capacity
  • 2135 c.i. (35 l.) total
  • 1891 c.i. (31 l.) in main pack body
  • xx lb maximum carry capacity, xx lbs for comfort.
Materials
  • Main fabric: 100D Robic Diamond Rip
  • Boot / accent fabric: 200D Robic velocity
  • Darlington Mesh and Supreme Airmesh
Dimensions
  • Height 19.5” / 49.53 cm
  • Width 10.75” / 27.30 cm
  • Depth 6" “ / 15.24 cm
The product support folks also sent me this additional information about sizing:

Given it is one size fits all we would recommend a similar size range to our Kumo.
  • One Size (16" - 24" torso) Generally fits people 5'4"-6'4"
  • 28" - 48" waist for waist belt
 
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NavyBlue

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Le Puy and Camino Frances. Via Francigena. Tro-Breiz in progress.
#18
Having it only open halfway defeats much of the purpose of being a panel loader for me. The whole point of them is that you have easy access to everything in the bag. If it only opens halfway, you are probably going to have to take out some stuff to get to the stuff at the bottom/end.
Good point, jungleboy. More on this in a (sound) analysis of various backpack features here.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, Spring 2016; Camino del Norte, Spring 2018; Camino Primitivo, Spring 2019
#19
Gossamer Gear also makes a plastic liner for their backpacks. I used their 36 liter with a plastic liner, along with an REI 40 liter pack cover, on the Camino del Norte last year and everything stayed dry. (And I had my share of rain!). Headed back to walk the Primitivo in May and using the same system.
 

Opa Theo

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Francais to Santiago
#20
For our Camino 9/18 I tried several different packs. Ospreys and Dueter. Not pleased with any of them. Stumbled on an expensive 35 liter pack with a rain cover. It has lots of little zippered compartments. Very comfortable with about 18 pounds of stuff. Ordered it through Amazon and had some discounts applied. My cost was $17. Used it as carry on luggage. Extremely pleased.
https://www.amazon.com/Gonex-Backpa...ncluded/dp/B01MDTEQVE?ref=pf_ov_at_pdctrvw_dp
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino del Norte 2016
#21
Gossamer Gear has just released a new bag called the Ranger which is a 35 litre panel loader with a mesh pocket on the back as well. This means it only opens half way but still might be what people are looking for!

Ranger 35
Thanks for this. I have been searching for a panel loading pack....30-35 liters...(I usually get by with 28 liters). I think I may go ultralight instead..(ULA Photon which weighs 28 oz). It is squishy enough to fit under seat if necessary. Then, to deal with top loading issues, I will get a packing cube to lift out...which will unzip all the way. I hate searching in the botton of the pack..and dragging everything out daily..which is the main reason for a panel load. Has anyone used the ULA or the Mountain Laurel Designs Ultralights...or even Zpacks (which have frameless, and some with a minimal arc frame.)
 

H Richards

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
June 2017 Francés
Oct 2017 Incomplete Le Puy / Francés
June/July 2018 Norte
Oct/Nov 2108 Francés
#22
Thanks for the info. Looks like it could be a useful one for a summer camino. I wouldn't want to try and fit my cold-weather sleeping bag into it though. There'd be no room for anything else!

Has anyone any suggestions for a ultralight 40-50 litre backpack suitable for caminos? I'm in the market for one.

The main things I want are front-loading, elastic space / attachments for flip-flops and water bottles, at least one quick access pocket for glasses / suncream etc, and ideally an extra compartment to keep wet or outdoors items separate. Currently my trekking backpack more than fulfills this, but it weighs 1.85kg. I'd love something around the 1kg mark instead.
 

robertt

Active Member
#23
This is personal, but I've never looked for lightness in the pack itself, just comfort and performance. Useful features which add weight can make a pack lighter in effect once it's loaded.

Best to save weight on what I put into the pack. Like a lot of walkers, especially Australians who've gone bush hundreds of miles from shops, accommodation etc, I've learned the hard way that I don't need that spare kitchen sink on my back when walking the Camino. Next time I may leave out kitchen sinks altogether.

As a winter pilgrim I've also learned to wear as much as possible so I don't need to carry. In fact, I now have the saying "If it's not a layer it's an at-home stayer". (For some reason this ingenious slogan has not gone viral or achieved the popularity it so obviously deserves.)
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino del Norte 2016
#25
Thanks for the info. Looks like it could be a useful one for a summer camino. I wouldn't want to try and fit my cold-weather sleeping bag into it though. There'd be no room for anything else!

Has anyone any suggestions for a ultralight 40-50 litre backpack suitable for caminos? I'm in the market for one.

The main things I want are front-loading, elastic space / attachments for flip-flops and water bottles, at least one quick access pocket for glasses / suncream etc, and ideally an extra compartment to keep wet or outdoors items separate. Currently my trekking backpack more than fulfills this, but it weighs 1.85kg. I'd love something around the 1kg mark instead.
I have heard good things about the ULA CDT 54 Liter...weighs about 24 oz.
 
Camino(s) past & future
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#26
Thanks for the info. Looks like it could be a useful one for a summer camino. I wouldn't want to try and fit my cold-weather sleeping bag into it though. There'd be no room for anything else!

Has anyone any suggestions for a ultralight 40-50 litre backpack suitable for caminos? I'm in the market for one.

The main things I want are front-loading, elastic space / attachments for flip-flops and water bottles, at least one quick access pocket for glasses / suncream etc, and ideally an extra compartment to keep wet or outdoors items separate. Currently my trekking backpack more than fulfills this, but it weighs 1.85kg. I'd love something around the 1kg mark instead.
I have a 60 litre that weighs 1 kg. Granite Gear Crown 2. Outstanding pack but it’s a top loader 😬
 

Rudie

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Norte (Irun - Oviedo), Primitivo, Fisterra, Muxia (2017);
Via Podiensis, Via Gebennensis (2019)
#27
I don't think there is such a thing as a panel loader in the 40-50 L range that weighs only a kilo or less. I don't see the love for panels either. If you want to keep your stuff really dry you need to use a trash compactor bag anyway. And if you use that you have to pull everything out of it even if you have a panel. Maybe I am looking at this too much from a hiker's point of view. Anyways, I find that on a Camino where you don't even have to carry a shelter or food for several days I just don't need more than 30 L. And a 30 L pack is so small that taking out everything to get at something in the bottom is not an issue for me.

What I do find important when comparing pack capacity is that brands like Osprey and Deuter count only the volume in the closed compartments like the main body of the pack or the top lid. Cottage manufacturers usually also count the volume in the external pockets. So for example, an Osprey Kestrel is 38 L without the outer pockets, but its capacity probably equals that of a 50 L pack made by a cottage manufacturer. OTOH a Gossamer Gear Mariposa is listed with 60 L when the main compartment only holds 36 L and the rest goes into the huge open external pockets.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino del Norte 2016
#28
I have a 60 litre that weighs 1 kg. Granite Gear Crown 2. Outstanding pack but it’s a top loader 😬
I went round and round on trying to find panel loader...all of them I have tried are too bulky and heavy. How about getting a light, 3 side zip, packing cube that fits down into the pack. Just pull it out, and see all your stuff neatly arrayed....just like a panel loader.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino del Norte 2016
#29
35 liter is the perfect size for me.
me too...or even less....I have hiked the Appalachian packing food, 2 liters water, stove, hammock, tarp, etc...in that size....Will let you know how the ULA Photon 35 Liter frameless works...I have ordered it to try out. Weighs 25 oz.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino del Norte 2016
#30
Thanks for the info. Looks like it could be a useful one for a summer camino. I wouldn't want to try and fit my cold-weather sleeping bag into it though. There'd be no room for anything else!

Has anyone any suggestions for a ultralight 40-50 litre backpack suitable for caminos? I'm in the market for one.

The main things I want are front-loading, elastic space / attachments for flip-flops and water bottles, at least one quick access pocket for glasses / suncream etc, and ideally an extra compartment to keep wet or outdoors items separate. Currently my trekking backpack more than fulfills this, but it weighs 1.85kg. I'd love something around the 1kg mark instead.
Do you use a heavy sleeping bag in winter even when staying in Albergues? Or do you camp?.....
 

Felipo

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Spanish camino
#33
With the greatest respect to my fellow learned peregrinos, I have used a low cost pack which has an airflow frame and at 28 -33 litres is both suited for your 6-8kg camino load + hydration sack. And it's carry on most airlines. Take a look at https://www.trespass.com/deimos-dlx-28-litre-rucksack
I've worn this pack out over 3 (and a half) and caminos as well as hundreds of miles hiking, and sadly just had to let it go. I've not seen anything else on the market similar and would probably end up buying another!
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
#35
That pack looks really nice...The ULA CDT has 50+ liters...about the same weight.
I like the CDT, it is definitely a good pack and one that I have seen a couple of times being carried on Camino.

It differs from the Arc Zip in that the CDT is a frameless pack. So while the Arc Zip has a comfortable carrying capacity up to 35 pounds, the ULA CDT is best with a weight load under 18 pounds.
 

H Richards

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
June 2017 Francés
Oct 2017 Incomplete Le Puy / Francés
June/July 2018 Norte
Oct/Nov 2108 Francés
#36
Do you use a heavy sleeping bag in winter even when staying in Albergues? Or do you camp?.....
I use a quite bulky down sleeping bag weighing about 1.3kg It was good this winter down to temperatures close to freezing at night, but it would fill more than half of a 30 liter backpack, unless I hooked it onto the outside.

The packing cube idea is an interesting one.
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
#38
I don't think there is such a thing as a panel loader in the 40-50 L range that weighs only a kilo or less. I don't see the love for panels either. If you want to keep your stuff really dry you need to use a trash compactor bag anyway. And if you use that you have to pull everything out of it even if you have a panel. Maybe I am looking at this too much from a hiker's point of view. Anyways, I find that on a Camino where you don't even have to carry a shelter or food for several days I just don't need more than 30 L. And a 30 L pack is so small that taking out everything to get at something in the bottom is not an issue for me.

What I do find important when comparing pack capacity is that brands like Osprey and Deuter count only the volume in the closed compartments like the main body of the pack or the top lid. Cottage manufacturers usually also count the volume in the external pockets. So for example, an Osprey Kestrel is 38 L without the outer pockets, but its capacity probably equals that of a 50 L pack made by a cottage manufacturer. OTOH a Gossamer Gear Mariposa is listed with 60 L when the main compartment only holds 36 L and the rest goes into the huge open external pockets.
:) Yeah, that is something that has been batted around for years among the backpacking community: how do you count the true capacity of a backpack? Pockets vs no pockets in the total. I remember some vigorous arguments surrounding that whole thing over the last couple of decades. As you pointed out, the external pockets can hold a lot of extra stuff.

Part of the argument went along the lines that there are things that do not get packed into the main bag so that they remain within easy access, but are still part of the total inventory of gear that the pack carries. In fact that is why some of the cottage manufacturers departed from the "Total capacity equals the main bag", and went to "Break down the total capacity to include all compartments" so that the consumer gets a better feel for the overall usability of the backpack as far as its flexibility is concerned.

Some of that is to help ultralight backpackers to skip packs whose total weight is more focused on the main bag's capacity which if too large adds more weight, when what is wanted is that same capacity with a smaller main bag but with the increased flexibility of larger pockets which can be made from lighter materials. With smaller ultralight loads and gear, this strategy can be a much better fit to the packs usability.

The cottage manufacturers like ULA and Gossamer Gear are pretty good at breaking down the capacity of the backpacks component pockets and main bag in their specifications so that thee consumer gets a good feel, as far as one can from an online purchase, how the capacity is distributed. They will even break down the weight totals by component, like the weight of the shoulder harness and hipbelt (if one or both can be removable).

Sometimes a backpack's capacity gets understated, which is what I have noticed periodically when I've done a gear test for a cottage manufacturer. Sometimes there can be as much as a 10 to 15% increase over the stated capacity of the main bag when I have independently measured the volume. And sometimes the actual capacity will not include the expanded capacity -- if the pack has that capability.

An example of this is the Gossamer Gear Mariposa that you mentioned. The main bag's capacity is only measured to the top of the main bag. However, the Mariposa also has an extension collar which allows another 20 liters or space. Normally, it is kept tucked down as part of the 'closure' at the top. I have comfortably and securely been able to carry a 75 liter equivalent load, quite comfortably and stable, with the Mariposa because of that feature..... as long as the weight is below 40 pounds. This is also similar to what some ULA backpacks and a few others also do with their largest offerings.

Hopefully the consumer will look at the total description of the bag and its stated specifications so that if they want all of the capacity to be within a "bloody large main bag", and sometimes there is a great reason for needing it that way, they get what they think they are purchasing.
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
#39
Looks ok but Ospreys still rule, particularly their new ultra light range.
:) Personally, I wouldn't know what 'rules' for me until I have actually tried out a backpack in comparison to others I have tried. Looks are only a small part of the story.
 

domigee

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF(x4), Fisterra/Muxía(x2), VdlP, Jerusalem, VF, Walsingham,
C inglés. 2019? Who knows! ;-)
#40
Thanks for the info. Looks like it could be a useful one for a summer camino. I wouldn't want to try and fit my cold-weather sleeping bag into it though. There'd be no room for anything else!

Has anyone any suggestions for a ultralight 40-50 litre backpack suitable for caminos? I'm in the market for one.

The main things I want are front-loading, elastic space / attachments for flip-flops and water bottles, at least one quick access pocket for glasses / suncream etc, and ideally an extra compartment to keep wet or outdoors items separate. Currently my trekking backpack more than fulfills this, but it weighs 1.85kg. I'd love something around the 1kg mark instead.
I like the Osprey Exos ... The 48 size M is just over 1kg and very comfortable (to me!). Ah, top loading though, sorry. Never found it a problem: 3 dry bags inside, first one with my sleeping bag, second one with my clothes in, 3rd one for toiletries.... First aid in top pocket. Sandals or raingear in back mesh pocket....
Side pockets for water bottle(s), hip belt pockets for phone etc and even a strap pocket .... Sorted ;)
 

davebugg

"When I Have Your Wounded" - Dustoff Motto
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances...
Sept. 2017: SJPdP to Burgos
Sept./Oct. 2018: SJPdP to Santiago de Compostela
#41
Thanks for the info. Looks like it could be a useful one for a summer camino. I wouldn't want to try and fit my cold-weather sleeping bag into it though. There'd be no room for anything else!

Has anyone any suggestions for a ultralight 40-50 litre backpack suitable for caminos? I'm in the market for one.

The main things I want are front-loading, elastic space / attachments for flip-flops and water bottles, at least one quick access pocket for glasses / suncream etc, and ideally an extra compartment to keep wet or outdoors items separate. Currently my trekking backpack more than fulfills this, but it weighs 1.85kg. I'd love something around the 1kg mark instead.
There are some great packs that fit the bill, but they are not panel loading at that size. There is one offering from Zpacks -- the Arc Haul Zip -- which you might be interested in, though it is a 64 liter total volume which includes all pockets. It is only 0.78 Kg in total weight. It costs around $330.00, mainly because of its use of Cuben Fiber which really cuts down the pack's weight.
http://www.zpacks.com/backpacks/arc_haul_zip.shtml
 

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