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CamiNO

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
 

Lexicos

Jim
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances
2017
Camino Portuguese 2019
No drama. It gives you plenty of time to do practise walks at home. The more you do the better. Test your equipment, your endurance, your strength and ....... your patience. You will need all of these.

PS: You won't need those fish. Plenty of good food on all the CaimNO walks.
 

kazrobbo

Tassie Kaz
Camino(s) past & future
CF 2012
CP 2015
St Olavs Norway 2016
88T Japan 2017
PWC/VF 2019
Israel 2020 X
Wales CP 21?
KK?
VdlP?
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.
"CamiNO"...good one!..don't think anyone else has come up with that. 👏
I don't consider myself a pessimist at all but I am a realist & even March 2021 feels dodgy to me; I certainly don't have the confidence to book anything...too much unpredictability & uncertainty.
My thoughts of course are influenced by being an Aussie whose borders, both state (Tasmania) & international, are still well & truly shut.
Best wishes. May your optimism pay dividends & your Plan B come to fruition...I'm currently on about Plan H... 🤷‍♀️
👣 🌏
*edited to correct my 'spaling & gramma' which seems to be deteriorating by the day... 🤭 😇
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Francis (2009)
Camino Mozarabe, VDLP, Camino Sanabres (2012)
Porto to Santiago 2019
"CamiNO"...good one!..don't think anyone else has come up with that. 👏
I don't consider myself a pessimist at all but I am a realist & even March 2021 feels dodgy to me; I certainly don't have the confidence to book anything...too much & unpredictability & uncertainty.
My thoughts of course are influenced by being an Aussie who's borders, both state (Tasmania) & national, are still well & truly shut.
Best wishes. May your optimism pay dividends & your Plan B come to fruition...I'm currently on about Plan H... 🤷‍♀️
👣 🌏
I'm on the west coast of Australia( Perth) and doubt I will even be able to visit my daughter on the East coast( Melbourne) until 2021, so I do not anticipate being able to return to Spain until 2023!!! We live in strange times! I am so grateful for the travel I have been able to do in the past 20 years. My present priority is just to get to the other side of Australia !
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
Francés (2016 & 2017), Norte (2018), Francés-Salvador-Norte (2019), Portuguese (2019)
I don't consider myself a pessimist at all but I am a realist & even March 2021 feels dodgy to me; I certainly don't have the confidence to book anything...too much & unpredictability & uncertainty.
Same here. I'm not going to even think about booking anything until March or April - hopefully for the Camino del Norte in September 2021.🤞
 

CAJohn

Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances Sept/Oct 2019
I do want to go back, but I won't make any plans. I was very lucky to have been able to do it last year and will always be grateful for that. I think things will eventually get to the point where I think that I can go back, but I have no idea when that might be.
 

kazrobbo

Tassie Kaz
Camino(s) past & future
CF 2012
CP 2015
St Olavs Norway 2016
88T Japan 2017
PWC/VF 2019
Israel 2020 X
Wales CP 21?
KK?
VdlP?
PS: You won't need those fish. Plenty of good food on all the CaimNO walks.
The 'fish' reference had me stumped...now I get it 🤦‍♀️. Thought I must have missed something in @Red66's OP. Good eye @Lexicos ...made me look closer to work it out 😄 I'll pay more attention to avatars from now on!
👣 🌏
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
"CamiNO"...good one!..don't think anyone else has come up with that. 👏
Yes. 😷 Very clever...even if none of us like why it's being said...

what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
And so say all of us.
This is our collective camino right now.
That and getting used to uncertainty.

Buen camino now and when you eventually get there, @Red66 . If you want an inspiration and a lift, try walking a virtual camino. If nothing else it will keep your day walking on track. Check out the many threads here to see what folks are doing...
 

scruffy1

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Holy Year from Pamplona 2010, SJPP 2011, Lisbon 2012, Le Puy 2013, Vezelay (partial watch this space!) 2014; 2015 Toulouse-Puenta la Reina (Arles)
March/April is a much better idea anyway! Springtime on the Camino is marvelous and you will be able to enjoy/participate in Easter celebrations and processions. Semana Santa begins March 28th Easter April 4 plan accordingly!
 

NualaOC

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
A few and hopefully lots more. See signature.
Great attitude, @Red66. The thoughts of a spring Camino will hopefully sustain you through the winter months. I also hope to be on the Camino Francés at the time - fingers crossed it will be possible and appropriate. 🤞
 
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Terry Callery

Chi Walker
Camino(s) past & future
"Portuguese Camino - In Search of the Infinite Moment" Amazon/Kindle books authored
"Slow Camino"
I agree that March is a great time to do the Camino. I did both the French route and the less crowded Portuguese route (from Lisbon) in February and March and found that accomodations were uncrowded and the route was peaceful and solitary. For me walking alone in silent meditation was more important than being with crowds of other pilgrims. The rates also go down at that time of year to the "bas" or low seasonal prices. I suspect that when things start to open up, folks with proof of immunization will be freer to travel that those who are still waiting for a shot.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino June 2018 from Leon to SdC. Plan Frances 2022, Porto Central-Finisterre 2023, LePuy-SJ 2024
I'm on the west coast of Australia( Perth) and doubt I will even be able to visit my daughter on the East coast( Melbourne) until 2021, so I do not anticipate being able to return to Spain until 2023!!! We live in strange times! I am so grateful for the travel I have been able to do in the past 20 years. My present priority is just to get to the other side of Australia !
We have a new granddaughter a 4 1/2 hr drive away just over the border in Victoria. She is 5 months old and we will be lucky to see her come Xmas. Covid is throwing lots of 'NO's' our collective ways. Hoping for 2022 for our CamiNo.
 

gittiharre

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF Austria Czech Le Puy Geneva RLS V. Jacobi V. Regia V. Baltica/Scandinavica Porto Muxia
I live in Auckland NZ and after 102 blissfull Covid free days, the virus snuck back in, despite comprehensive border measures. Back in lockdown. The first round was a bit of a novelty, but this time round, it is very tedious and I feel unmotivated and angry about this thing getting in my way. I just reached retirement age and have lots of flexibility for taking time out...but stuck.
I can't foresee safish travel until 2023 to be honest. May never see my parents in Germany again and living with a high risk of my bladder cancer returning, I really hope, I can get back on European pilgrim trails.
I am very grateful for the many caminos, I have walked and hope to do a range of short hikes in NZ over the next year or so.
We are all so much in limbo and I feel for the people, who run businesses and accomodation along the routes. It must be awful, trying to survive in such uncertain times.
 

gittiharre

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF Austria Czech Le Puy Geneva RLS V. Jacobi V. Regia V. Baltica/Scandinavica Porto Muxia
We have a new granddaughter a 4 1/2 hr drive away just over the border in Victoria. She is 5 months old and we will be lucky to see her come Xmas. Covid is throwing lots of 'NO's' our collective ways. Hoping for 2022 for our CamiNo.
So true. I hope you see your little granddaughter soon. The separation is heartbraking.
 

WalkingJane

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
May and October 2015
(2015 October)
June 2018 Portuguese
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
Wishing you the very best possible, knowing that sometimes in this life "the best" turns out to be different from anything we planned or imagined. Sorry, this comes from 86 years of being on this earth.........and still trying to learn well this thing I know to be true!
 

kazrobbo

Tassie Kaz
Camino(s) past & future
CF 2012
CP 2015
St Olavs Norway 2016
88T Japan 2017
PWC/VF 2019
Israel 2020 X
Wales CP 21?
KK?
VdlP?
I live in Auckland NZ and after 102 blissfull Covid free days, the virus snuck back in, despite comprehensive border measures. Back in lockdown. The first round was a bit of a novelty, but this time round, it is very tedious and I feel unmotivated and angry about this thing getting in my way. I just reached retirement age and have lots of flexibility for taking time out...but stuck.
I can't foresee safish travel until 2023 to be honest. May never see my parents in Germany again and living with a high risk of my bladder cancer returning, I really hope, I can get back on European pilgrim trails.
I am very grateful for the many caminos, I have walked and hope to do a range of short hikes in NZ over the next year or so.
We are all so much in limbo and I feel for the people, who run businesses and accomodation along the routes. It must be awful, trying to survive in such uncertain times.
Oh Gitte...I'm sorry to read the impact a situation totally out of your control is having on you & your family. I truly hope it settles soon; our thoughts are with you across The Ditch just as they are for our Victorian neighbours over Bass Strait & elsewhere on the mainland.
Tassie is blessedly Covid free (today) & our borders still slammed shut until December to try & keep it that way. Understandable measures but frustrating & cause for some anxiety (I have elderly parents & other ageing family members along east coast Australia).
To paraphrase a quote credited to Helen Keller... the only way out is through.
Best wishes for your health & that of your family. Hang in there.
👣 🌏
 

gittiharre

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF Austria Czech Le Puy Geneva RLS V. Jacobi V. Regia V. Baltica/Scandinavica Porto Muxia
Like the quote! Thank you. Another way through is "around"
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
Francés (2016 & 2017), Norte (2018), Francés-Salvador-Norte (2019), Portuguese (2019)
To paraphrase a quote credited to Helen Keller... the only way out is through.
A Google search came up with Robert Frost as the originator of that quote


Though it looks like Helen Keller said something similar: "The best way out is through"

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kazrobbo

Tassie Kaz
Camino(s) past & future
CF 2012
CP 2015
St Olavs Norway 2016
88T Japan 2017
PWC/VF 2019
Israel 2020 X
Wales CP 21?
KK?
VdlP?
A Google search came up with Robert Frost as the originator of that quote


Though it looks like Helen Keller said something similar: "The best way out is through"

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Thanks @trecile...I confess I didn't research before posting, instead recalling from memory...not always reliable clearly! 😁
I tend to use/like other Frost quotes eg, the good ol' 'two roads...' so I'm not really surprised 'the only way out...' is his also. No idea where thinking it was Helen Keller came from but as your diligence shows, she did utter something similar. 🤗
👣 🌏
 

kazrobbo

Tassie Kaz
Camino(s) past & future
CF 2012
CP 2015
St Olavs Norway 2016
88T Japan 2017
PWC/VF 2019
Israel 2020 X
Wales CP 21?
KK?
VdlP?
Like the quote! Thank you. Another way through is "around"
Yes...but unfortunately in this case, either way is slow progress with a lot of bushbashing! 😄
👣 🌏
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
Yes. 😷 Very clever...even if none of us like why it's being said...

And so say all of us.
This is our collective camino right now.
That and getting used to uncertainty.

Buen camino now and when you eventually get there, @Red66 . If you want an inspiration and a lift, try walking a virtual camino. If nothing else it will keep your day walking on track. Check out the many threads here to see what folks are doing...
I am going to walk the Virtual Camino, beginning on the day I originally was going to start. I am going to grab a few bottles, who am I kidding, a case of wine and after I finish for the day I will partake in some wine & cheese, and other Spanish cuisine! It's not the same but I will make the best of it!
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
I'm on the west coast of Australia( Perth) and doubt I will even be able to visit my daughter on the East coast( Melbourne) until 2021, so I do not anticipate being able to return to Spain until 2023!!! We live in strange times! I am so grateful for the travel I have been able to do in the past 20 years. My present priority is just to get to the other side of Australia !
At least we are able to travel within the U.S.! I wish you the best on visiting your daughter soon!
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
I am going to walk the Virtual Camino, beginning on the day I originally was going to start. I am going to grab a few bottles, who am I kidding, a case of wine and after I finish for the day I will partake in some wine & cheese, and other Spanish cuisine! It's not the same but I will make the best of it!
Here's a thread of people all of whom are walking at home and logging their distances on an app that shows where everyone is.
Even if they all have gotten to Santiago by the time you start walking, you can begin a new thread.

Buen camino!
 

JillGat

la tierra encantada
Camino(s) past & future
C. Frances SJPP - Finisterre - Muxia (May 2016)
C. Frances (Sept 2017)
Camino Portugues (June 2019)
Wouldja stop saying "this is your Camino"? (meaning, while you're at home). MY Camino involves walking all day under the Spanish sun, a small stone village with an old man on a bench missing a few teeth, poppies, tapas, and local wine. I wish I were more imaginative or creative and could re-create that experience at home. It would save me from some angst and longing.

Oh, and regarding the fish... Every time I head to Spain, I toy with bringing a small fishing rig with me. So many rivers full of big trout along the way. I imagine catching a couple of em in, say, Najera, and asking the chef at a restaurant to cook them.
 
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Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
Months later? More like years later. Some countries are still not taking it seriously. THIS IS NOT A FLU. If you get it, the medical ramifications could be with you the rest of your life.
That sounds reasonable to me. People booking flights and accomodation for fixed dates in 2021 must have access to a crystal ball!

I rescheduled my trip 6 months after my original trip was to begin, not because I have a crystal ball or believe that COVID will be over and life will be back to normal. I booked it because I hope this to be the case, to give me something to look forward to and plan for. No one has a crystal ball or knows what may happen, 1 month, 6 months, or even a year from now.

I live in Alaska where winter months have 18-20 hours of no daylight all winter, I NEED something to look forward to.
In my heart do I believe you and others are more realistic than myself? Yes, of course I do, but it doesn't hurt to dream and worst case scenario I reschedule my trip again...6 months from March 2021. My thoughts also are, what IF the borders reopen, everyone feels safe again, there is a vaccine, etc. airline tickets may sky rocket due to demand and it also may be hard to get a flight. I take my 6 month at a time reschedule as a secured seat on the plane that can be pushed out when necessary and most importantly something to keep the Camino dream alive for me.
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
Wouldja stop saying "this is your Camino"? MY Camino involves walking all day under the Spanish sun, a small stone village with an old man on a bench missing a few teeth, poppies, tapas, and local wine. I wish I were more imaginative or creative and could re-create that experience at home. It would save me from some angst and longing.

Oh, and regarding the fish... Every time I head to Spain, I toy with bringing a small fishing rig with me. So many rivers full of big trout along the way. I imagine catching a couple of em in, say, Najera, and asking the chef at a restaurant to cook them.
I love your Camino, it sounds perfect. I can't wait until the day comes I can live the vision you portray.
 

arthur1218

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino de Tortuga
I live in Alaska where winter months have 18-20 hours of no daylight all winter
Sorry for being ignorant but is there really a town called Homer in Alaska? And was it named after Homer Simpson who escaped there from a lockdown in Springfield? That would be so funny :)

 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
Sorry for being ignorant but is there really a town called Homer in Alaska? And was it named after Homer Simpson who escaped there from a lockdown in Springfield? That would be so funny :)

That would be funny! Homer, AK is actually the end of the road in AK and I venture to say their are many that have left the lower 48 from a lockdown to escape here and live in the wilderness.

Homer was named for Homer Pennock, a goldmining company promoter, who arrived in 1896 on the Homer Spit and built living quarters for his crew of 50 men.
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
That would be funny! Homer, AK is actually the end of the road in AK and I venture to say their are many that have left the lower 48 from a lockdown to escape here and live in the wilderness.

Homer was named for Homer Pennock, a goldmining company promoter, who arrived in 1896 on the Homer Spit and built living quarters for his crew of 50 men.
BTW! That is exactly what Homer looks like behind Homer Simpson! It is truly beautiful!
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
Hi, I would consider that March may still be too optimistic to do a Camino if your coming from the USA. Even if there is a vaccination available by then, it may not be distributed widely enough in Spain, Europe, USA, etc. that traveling will be safe. And given the lack of compliance with safety measures here in the US, I am reluctant to hope that our positivity rates will be low enough that Europe will lift the travel ban.

This time around, if I am able to go on a camino, I will book it closer to the time we will depart, or with a guaranteed refund from the airlines. No way to tell when that will be....
 
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alexwalker

Forever Pilgrim
Camino(s) past & future
(2009): Camino Frances
(2011): Sevilla-Salamanca, VdlP
(2012): Salamanca-SdC, VdlP
(2014): SJpdP-Astorga
(2015): Astorga-SdC
(2016) May Pamplona-Moratinos; Sept.:Burgos-SdC
(2016): August/Sept: Camino San Olav (Burgos-Covarubbias), Burgos-Sarria
(2017): May: Portuguese; Sept: Pamplona-SdC
I rescheduled my trip 6 months after my original trip was to begin, not because I have a crystal ball or believe that COVID will be over and life will be back to normal. I booked it because I hope this to be the case, to give me something to look forward to and plan for. No one has a crystal ball or knows what may happen, 1 month, 6 months, or even a year from now.

I live in Alaska where winter months have 18-20 hours of no daylight all winter, I NEED something to look forward to.
In my heart do I believe you and others are more realistic than myself? Yes, of course I do, but it doesn't hurt to dream and worst case scenario I reschedule my trip again...6 months from March 2021. My thoughts also are, what IF the borders reopen, everyone feels safe again, there is a vaccine, etc. airline tickets may sky rocket due to demand and it also may be hard to get a flight. I take my 6 month at a time reschedule as a secured seat on the plane that can be pushed out when necessary and most importantly something to keep the Camino dream alive for me.co
Not a bad attitude.

In the meantime, since you have never walked before, prepare. Read up on this forum: Packing suggestions, routes (although I recommend the Farances as your first experience), go to youtube/Google, search for "Santiago pilgrim", enjoy and make your plans/preferences. Take walks of various lenghts. Get a proper backpack and equipment and walk with it in your neighborhood. Remember, with a ticket, your Camino has already started. You are now a pilgrim in preparation. You are one of us.

Buen Camino!

Some websites for you: (Others may add so you get full package):

Here on the Forum
Youtube.com (1000's of videos)
Godesalco.com/plan (walking planner)
 

arthur1218

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino de Tortuga
I would consider that March may still be too optimisti c to do a Camino if your coming from the USA
Not necessarily. Think about Covid as a wildfire. It burns so heavily in the USA nowadays that it can actually "burn out" itself faster then anywhere else in the world. I would be more worried about Australia and New Zealand. They are doing good job at stopping the virus from entering, but in the long run it may mean much longer isolation time, or, if the wildfire does start there, it may take a lot of time until it runs out of fuel, because by blocking the virus out, Aussies and Kiwis have very low herd immunity.
 

Mycroft

Active Member
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
Hope springs eternal, Red66. My hands tremble in anticipation of typing in my credit card info and clicking Purchase on some airline website! For now, I eat chocolate.
 

alexwalker

Forever Pilgrim
Camino(s) past & future
(2009): Camino Frances
(2011): Sevilla-Salamanca, VdlP
(2012): Salamanca-SdC, VdlP
(2014): SJpdP-Astorga
(2015): Astorga-SdC
(2016) May Pamplona-Moratinos; Sept.:Burgos-SdC
(2016): August/Sept: Camino San Olav (Burgos-Covarubbias), Burgos-Sarria
(2017): May: Portuguese; Sept: Pamplona-SdC
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
Do not forget walking shoes! 1/2 size bigger than your usual (your feet will swell from walking and heat), and walk them thorougly in at home, so that you know they will not give you blisters. If they do, buy another, different pair. Forget the cost: the cost, in all terms, of aborting your Camino, is far higher.

Ultreya, peregrino! (Upwards and onwards)
 

Damico Walking

Ready, and waiting, to walk
Camino(s) past & future
Portuguese coastal route May 2020 (not to be)
Portuguese coastal route TBD post COVID-19
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
Like you my wife and I had to postpone our first camino. It was scheduled to begin this past May on the Portuguese route starting in Porto. There were also side trips to Lourdes, Malaga, and Morocco in our trip, the advantage of being retired is no time limits. We had been thinking about it for a year after walking a day on the Primitivo route out of Oviedo, trained for another year, and like you gotten all our equipment, and even practiced walks on consecutive days with out gear on. Also like you in March we still had a glimmer of hope that we would be able to walk this year. I just didn't want to give up much less give up hope. But alas the brute force of reality set in and it was just a matter of time before our airline cancelled our flights allowing us to get refunds. We are hoping we can walk in September of 2021 but are not making any reservations until we see a vaccine available and can be fairly sure we will be allowed into the countries we plan to be in.

So there is nothing wrong with having hope. Nothing wrong with being an optimist. Nothing wrong with being determined. And no reason to apologize for having those traits, at least in my humble opinion. The good news is there will be a time when we can resume our planning, and enjoy the excitement and anticipation of the coming camino all over again.

Stay well. Buen Camino
 

kazrobbo

Tassie Kaz
Camino(s) past & future
CF 2012
CP 2015
St Olavs Norway 2016
88T Japan 2017
PWC/VF 2019
Israel 2020 X
Wales CP 21?
KK?
VdlP?
Not necessarily. Think about Covid as a wildfire. It burns so heavily in the USA nowadays that it can actually "burn out" itself faster then anywhere else in the world. I would be more worried about Australia and New Zealand. They are doing good job at stopping the virus from entering, but in the long run it may mean much longer isolation time, or, if the wildfire does start there, it may take a lot of time until it runs out of fuel, because by blocking the virus out, Aussies and Kiwis have very low herd immunity.
Interesting perspective but...at what cost has that 'wildfire' in the USA come?
We (Aussies & our Kiwi friends) may have low herd immunity but at least we still have our herd.
We're holding out for a vaccination with as little loss of life as possible in the interim. 🤞
👣 🌏
 

alexwalker

Forever Pilgrim
Camino(s) past & future
(2009): Camino Frances
(2011): Sevilla-Salamanca, VdlP
(2012): Salamanca-SdC, VdlP
(2014): SJpdP-Astorga
(2015): Astorga-SdC
(2016) May Pamplona-Moratinos; Sept.:Burgos-SdC
(2016): August/Sept: Camino San Olav (Burgos-Covarubbias), Burgos-Sarria
(2017): May: Portuguese; Sept: Pamplona-SdC
Like you my wife and I had to postpone our first camino. It was scheduled to begin this past May on the Portuguese route starting in Porto. There were also side trips to Lourdes, Malaga, and Morocco in our trip, the advantage of being retired is no time limits. We had been thinking about it for a year after walking a day on the Primitivo route out of Oviedo, trained for another year, and like you gotten all our equipment, and even practiced walks on consecutive days with out gear on. Also like you in March we still had a glimmer of hope that we would be able to walk this year. I just didn't want to give up much less give up hope. But alas the brute force of reality set in and it was just a matter of time before our airline cancelled our flights allowing us to get refunds. We are hoping we can walk in September of 2021 but are not making any reservations until we see a vaccine available and can be fairly sure we will be allowed into the countries we plan to be in.

So there is nothing wrong with having hope. Nothing wrong with being an optimist. Nothing wrong with being determined. And no reason to apologize for having those traits, at least in my humble opinion. The good news is there will be a time when we can resume our planning, and enjoy the excitement and anticipation of the coming camino all over again.

Stay well. Buen Camino
Sorry for all of you. The Camino is such a life-changing experience not to be missed in your lifetime. I hope all turns out well and that all of you newbies will get the opportunity of this extraordinary experience.

Buen camino whenever!
 
Camino(s) past & future
Lots ;0)
Posts have been deleted for straying into political realms which are not within the remit of this forum.

Members will be minded that this forum is dedicated to past, present and future pilgrims and their journeys to the shrine of Santiago. Blaming politicians for our current discomfort is almost as pointless as blaming a life-form that cannot exist without us or our close cousins on the evolutionary chains.

Meanwhile, we bury our dead and hope for the future, just like we always did
 

BruceS

Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF late 2020 or April 2021
Interesting perspective but...at what cost has that 'wildfire' in the USA come?
We (Aussies & our Kiwi friends) may have low herd immunity but at least we still have our herd.
We're holding out for a vaccination with as little loss of life as possible in the interim. 🤞
👣 🌏
Thanks Kazrobbo ... avoiding Covid and waiting for the Vaccine(s) then CaminoGO is my approach.
BTW "Red66" ... I have worn out my Keen boots in the last 10 months of extended training (~860 Km on mostly hard surfaces). I will buy the same Keen Boot in January 2021 for a ~planned Sept21 Camino 🤞
 

Bristle boy

If not now...when? If not you...who?...........
Camino(s) past & future
2019
I have been a very naughty boy this year. I have been considered a menace and a threat to society. I have been placed under house arrest with a few "prisoner priveleges". A half hour walk in the exercise yard being one of them.
Following my incarceration I have been put on parole with conditions. I should stay away from other people and wear specified apparel. Only going out when I needed to.
I could have a social bubble with one other household (that allowed me to see my newly born, only grandson I hadn't seen for months). I understood and accepted these conditions. I ensured my house was as sanitised as much as possible to keep everyone safe.
I never felt that my parole conditions allowed me to sit in an airport departure lounge (a larger equivalent of my living room) with the probability of not social distancing with so many family groups I did not know. To visit the toilets that everyone else had done....and everywhere else.
I never felt that my parole conditions meant I could get on an aeroplane where social distancing is impossible and travel to another country.
The conflict between the economy and health i understand...there are just some activities (at the moment) i feel must be put on hold.
 
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Turga

Camino tortuga
Camino(s) past & future
CF (Aug/Sep 2017)
CF (Aug/Sep 2018)
I have been a very naughty boy this year. I have been considered a menace and a threat to society. I have been placed under house arrest with a few "prisoner priveleges". A half hour walk in the exercise yard being one of them.
Following my incarceration I have been put on parole with conditions. I should stay away from other people and wear specified apparel. Only going out when I needed to.
I could have a social bubble with one other household (that allowed me to see my newly born, only grandson I hadn't seen for months). I understood and accepted these conditions. I ensured my house was as sanitised as much as possible to keep everyone safe.
I never felt that my parole conditions allowed me to sit in an airport departure lounge (a larger equivalent of my living room) with the probability of not social distancing with so many family groups I did not know. To visit the toilets that everyone else had done....and everywhere else.
I never felt that my parole conditions meant I could get on an aeroplane where social distancing is impossible and travel to another country.
The conflict between the economy and health i understand...there are just some activities (at the moment) i feel must be put on hold.
Attaboy! 😃
 

DwainS

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances(2020)
At least not in 2020 or as scheduled!

It is with great sadness that I rescheduled my Camino today for March of 2021. I was scheduled to arrive in Paris on Sept 8th and begin my first Camino on the 10th. I held out hope that a miracle would occur and I would be able to travel from the U.S. even though I knew in my heart it was a long shot.

I booked my trip on a whim after hearing someone talk about it in a bar, the Camino called to me and I just had to go. When I booked my trip in Feb COVID was new and I had hoped that by September it would have run its course. I ignored everyone on this forum who said don't even think about walking the Camino in 2020, I thought you all were pessimists, that if I truly believed it would happen.
So, apologies to all of you that had the wisdom and foresight to predict that COVID would still be rearing it's ugly head months later, I didn't want to believe you were correct.

I booked my trip through Orbitz and was able to change my reservations with no change fee, however, my tickets were less than previous and they will not refund the difference. I am OK with that, losing $200 opposed to $1,100 is a win in my book.

So I have $ in the bank, all the equipment, and an airline flight scheduled for March....what I lack is patience but I will work on that!
I hear you. I was also set to leave in the first week of September for my first camino. Started buying my hiking gear on January 1st during the Christmas sales as was recommended by the sales lady at the store. It was fun going in every two weeks and slowly buying up all my hiking gear in anticipation of starting my Camino in September. Over a 1000.00 later and all this new hiking gear the dreaded Covid arrived. Trip shut down. Sad, but on the other hand, I have all this new hiking gear bought and a Camino Trip to look forward to next year. Fingers crossed.
Buen Camino
 

Camino Chrissy

Take one step forward...then keep on walking..
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2015;
Norte/Primitivo 2016;
Frances 2017;
Le Puy 2018;
Portuguese/FishermanTr. 2019
Wouldja stop saying "this is your Camino"? (meaning, while you're at home). MY Camino involves walking all day under the Spanish sun, a small stone village with an old man on a bench missing a few teeth, poppies, tapas, and local wine. I wish I were more imaginative or creative and could re-create that experience at home. It would save me from some angst and longing.
Jill, MY Camino is the same as yours, and you have spoken for me!
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
I hear you. I was also set to leave in the first week of September for my first camino. Started buying my hiking gear on January 1st during the Christmas sales as was recommended by the sales lady at the store. It was fun going in every two weeks and slowly buying up all my hiking gear in anticipation of starting my Camino in September. Over a 1000.00 later and all this new hiking gear the dreaded Covid arrived. Trip shut down. Sad, but on the other hand, I have all this new hiking gear bought and a Camino Trip to look forward to next year. Fingers crossed.
Buen Camino
I laid my equipment out on the floor the other day and admired my accomplishment of getting it all purchased a bit at a time! I had a good time looking at this forum for ideas then going out and making the purchase. My last purchase was trekking poles I found last month that say Alaska on them...I had to buy them, even though I knew at that time it was beyond a long shot I was going. I held out hope until the bitter end! I have now started researching walking the Camino in March, of course knowing it possibly will not happen, to see what different gear I will need compared to a September Camino....I think this time I will wait to make any purchases until closer to my estimated departure. When did you reschedule for? To think, we possibly could have met on our first Caminos and shared a meal had the world been different. Until next year!!!
 

C clearly

Moderator
Staff member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016), VDLP (2017), Mozarabe (2018), Vasco/Bayona (2019)
to see what different gear I will need compared to a September Camino...
Nothing different. Although early March would likely be cooler than early September, I don't think my gear would be any different. In order to be prepared, I would take exactly the same things (still under 6 kg without food and water), but I would expect to use certain layer combinations more often than others, depending on the weather that comes that day/week/month.
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
Francés (2016 & 2017), Norte (2018), Francés-Salvador-Norte (2019), Portuguese (2019)
Nothing different. Although early March would likely be cooler than early September,
I haven't walked in March - my earliest Camino started in May, but early September can be HOT! 🔥
I do agree that I would probably take pretty much the same gear in March or September.
 

arthur1218

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino de Tortuga
walking the Camino in March, of course knowing it possibly will not happen, what different gear I will need compared to a September Camino
March on the Camino Frances most likely will be similar to the weather you have now at the end of August in Homer, Alaska. September weather on the meseta is not very healthy for the Alaskans. Or the Irish. It can become scorching hot at times :)
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
March on the Camino Frances most likely will be similar to the weather you have now at the end of August in Homer, Alaska. September weather on the meseta is not very healthy for the Alaskans. Or the Irish. It can become scorching hot at times :)
It's funny you say that, I looked up the average weather for March and you are spot on, it is very similar to where I live, however, I imagine there will be more daylight in Spain during March than in Homer. Alaskan & Irish....maybe I dodged a heatstroke bullet not being able to go in September.
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
Francés (2016 & 2017), Norte (2018), Francés-Salvador-Norte (2019), Portuguese (2019)
maybe I dodged a heatstroke bullet not being able to go in September.
When I did my first Camino in September 2016 a couple of pilgrims I knew did have to take a couple of days off due to heatstroke.
 

arthur1218

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino de Tortuga
I imagine there will be more daylight in Spain during March than in Homer
It happens that in March, we have the solar equinox, which in the Northern Hemisphere marks the end of the winter and the start of the spring . Which means, no matter if you are in the middle of Spain, or in Alaska, the day and the night should last about the same - 12 hours each. At least around 20th of March.
As for the summer or the winter... that's a totally different story ;)
 
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MichelleElynHogan

Veteran Member
I rescheduled my trip 6 months after my original trip was to begin, not because I have a crystal ball or believe that COVID will be over and life will be back to normal. I booked it because I hope this to be the case, to give me something to look forward to and plan for. No one has a crystal ball or knows what may happen, 1 month, 6 months, or even a year from now.

I live in Alaska where winter months have 18-20 hours of no daylight all winter, I NEED something to look forward to.
In my heart do I believe you and others are more realistic than myself? Yes, of course I do, but it doesn't hurt to dream and worst case scenario I reschedule my trip again...6 months from March 2021. My thoughts also are, what IF the borders reopen, everyone feels safe again, there is a vaccine, etc. airline tickets may sky rocket due to demand and it also may be hard to get a flight. I take my 6 month at a time reschedule as a secured seat on the plane that can be pushed out when necessary and most importantly something to keep the Camino dream alive for me.
My greatest concern, if it were me is the high possibility of circumstances changing while away, ie., borders close, airlines cancel travel etc.

I wish you well and a safe Camino, when it happens.
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
Nothing different. Although early March would likely be cooler than early September, I don't think my gear would be any different. In order to be prepared, I would take exactly the same things (still under 6 kg without food and water), but I would expect to use certain layer combinations more often than others, depending on the weather that comes that day/week/month.
I have walked the CF twice starting in mid September and the beginning of Oct. from SJdP, and in early March twice from Pamplona. My experience has been that the weather is really very unpredictable. My mid September departure from SJPdP
was very hot the entire way, over two days. It was still warm at the beginning of Oct. but better.
One March the weather was a disaster. It snowed heavily twice and rained 27 days that Camino. We walked that year one day with 75Kilometer head winds up to Rabanal del Camino with blizzard like snow for several hours.
Wearther-wise it was the Camino from hell. Going over the mountain we had to stop in Acebo because the roadways were icy and the path mostly parrelling the road was impassible. We were able to walk down to Ponferrada the next day, but the following day a big group came down by taxi after additinal snow that night. Path to Ocebriero was passable but parts had snow almost knee deep.
Another March the weather was almost ideal. We were blessed with only 2-3 days of rain the entire time. Did get a couple inches of snow approaching Foncebadon, but next day was sunny and beautiful.

I agree with C. Cleary that early March is likely to be a bit cooler. Either month requires a good rain system for protection. I take a durable rain poncho, silk gloves and heavier ones (March) a baseball cap and a warmer head covering as well as a couple of base layer padagona long sleeve very lite tops and pants. Plus two pants and two tops both mostly polyester. One set I use for sleeping. In addition, I brought a valor zipper jacket which I practically lived in March. I do not bring boots, rather trail shoes that are not waterproof. I use paper to dry out the shoes at night.

In the end devise a system that prepares you for both hot and cold days and night either season . Be able to peel off layers as the day warms or, add layers as bad weather moves in. Also, suggest a lite weight sleeping bag.
 
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Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
I have walked the CF twice starting in mid September and the beginning of Oct. from SJdP, and in early March twice from Pamplona. My experience has been that the weather is really very unpredictable. My mid September departure from SJPdP
was very hot the entire way, over two days. It was still warm at the beginning of Oct. but better.
One March the weather was a disaster. It snowed heavily twice and rained 27 days that Camino. We walked that year one day with 75Kilometer head winds up to Rabanal del Camino with blizzard like snow for several hours.
Wearther-wise it was the Camino from hell. Going over the mountain we had to stop in Acebo because the roadways were icy and the path mostly parrelling the road was impassible. We were able to walk down to Ponferrada the next day, but the following day a big group came down by taxi after additinal snow that night. Path to Ocebriero was passable but parts had snow almost knee deep.
Another March the weather was almost ideal. We were blessed with only 2-3 days of rain the entire time. Did get a couple inches of snow approaching Foncebadon, but next day was sunny and beautiful.

I agree with C. Cleary that early March is likely to be a bit cooler. Either month requires a good rain system for protection. I take a durable rain poncho, silk gloves and heavier ones (March) a baseball cap and a warmer head covering as well as a couple of base layer padagona long sleeve very lite tops and pants. Plus two pants and two tops both mostly polyester. One set I use for sleeping. In addition, I brought a valor zipper jacket which I practically lived in March. I do not bring boots, rather trail shoes that are not waterproof. I use paper to dry out the shoes at night.

In the end devise a system that prepares you for both hot and cold days and night either season . Be able to peel off layers as the day warms or, add layers as bad weather moves in. Also, suggest a lite weight sleeping bag.
What fantastic information, thank you!!!
 

Anamiri

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
2016, 2017, 2019 Camino Frances
When I did my first Camino in September 2016 a couple of pilgrims I knew did have to take a couple of days off due to heatstroke.
My first Camino was September 2016 - it was sooo hot - a shock after leaving a cold spring in NZ. Walking in high 30's day after day with no clouds in sight. Leaving really early in the morning to get kms done in the relative cool.
The next year we walked May/June which was so much nicer, but it got hot towards the end of June. It was 43 degrees the day we walked into Santiago. There was a heatwave all over Europe, and fires in Portugal.
Last year we went in September again, but we missed the heatwave by a week.
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
What fantastic information, thank you!!!

There is a utube of a family who departed frm SJPdP in June. They were cold, in June for several nights. Then later sweltering. It just demonstrates how unpredictable the weather can be. They are a very entertaining family to watch. Not traditional for sure. But if you watch them, you will see a lot of the camino...
 
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VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
early March would likely be cooler than early September
My experience in two Marches is more than a bit.
Early March is the tail end of winter, and you'll face all the vagaries of spring weather.
Gloves and a beanie are essential, as is adequate rain protection and a warm layer of clothing when the weather goes to heck.
But it is a wonderful time to walk, but in spite of some very frosty mornings (that's frost/ice in the last two photos!), it's my favorite time to walk.
 

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Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
My experience in two Marches is more than a bit.
Early March is the tail end of winter, and you'll face all the vagaries of spring weather.
Gloves and a beanie are essential, as is adequate rain protection and a warm layer of clothing when the weather goes to hell.
But it is a wonderful time to walk, but in spite of some very frosty mornings (that's frost/ice in the last two photos!), it's my favorite time to walk.

My favorite time too!
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
There is a utube of a family who departed frm SJPdP in June. They were cold, in June for several nights. Then later sweltering. It just demonstrates how unpredictable the weather can be. They are a very entertaining family to watch. Not traditional for sure. But if you watch them, you will see a lot of the camino...
Thank you for sharing the video, the family is as you described...a pleasure to watch. Previously, I haven't watched any videos because I wanted to be surprised about what I see when I get there. I now find myself wanting to watch their entire journey.
One thing I do know, is that I wasn't anywhere near in shape to make that climb so rescheduling will give me time to up my cardio game.
 

Red66

New Member
Camino(s) past & future
March (2021)
My experience in two Marches is more than a bit.
Early March is the tail end of winter, and you'll face all the vagaries of spring weather.
Gloves and a beanie are essential, as is adequate rain protection and a warm layer of clothing when the weather goes to heck.
But it is a wonderful time to walk, but in spite of some very frosty mornings (that's frost/ice in the last two photos!), it's my favorite time to walk.
Looks like I will just need to pack what I typically would pack on an AK hike in March, not much different. Thank you for the photos, it really shows the variation in weather.
 

Albertagirl

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (2015); Aragones-Frances (2016); VdlP-Sanabres (2017); Madrid-Frances-Invierno (2019)Levante
I wasn't anywhere near in shape to make that climb so rescheduling will give me time to up my cardio game.
I walked my first camino from St Jean pied de Port, beginning on the last day of September, 2015 and walking to Orisson. I was 67 at the time and not in great shape, but I did not find the walk up to Orisson particularly strenuous. I was an experienced mountain hiker and walked uphill at a slow pace, with few stops. Then on to Roncesvalles the next day, and short days all the way to Puenta la Reina, where I was ready to up my pace. Pack light, keep your own pace, and don't do any long days at first. Pay attention to your body and you will be fine. Buen camino. I hope to begin my fifth camino, the Levante, in Valencia in March.

@Red66
I have finally registered that you are planning to start the Camino Frances in March, presumably from St Jean pied de Port. I hope that you are aware that the Napoleon Route over the Pyrenees to Roncesvalles is not open in the winter. It will not re-open until the beginning of April, later if the weather is bad. It is just too dangerous to walk that route in winter weather. There is another route from St Jean pied de Port via Valcarlos which has been walked by many forum members and should be open when you are planning to walk, although snow and bad weather could be hazards on that route also. If you are from Alaska, I am sure that you are familiar with winter weather.
 
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Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
Looks like I will just need to pack what I typically would pack on an AK hike in March, not much different. Thank you for the photos, it really shows the variation in weather.

Whenever you go, have a great camino. And as usual, Alberta is right about not doing the high route in March. Also the downhills early on in bad weather can be problematic so starting a bit later is a better if you want to do the Napoleon Route. Also, Orrison has limited space so you may want to contact them at your earliest convenience once you decide exactly when you will be there.
 
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