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I'm not , you have a cold or whatever but no "Camino Crud" just saying.Most pilgrims are familiar with the "Camino Crud": the cold or cough
Definitely new to me too. Yes, let’s hope that term doesn’t take off!I have never heard the term "Camino Crud" before, and I hope it does not enter common usage, as I find it rather unpleasant. A cold or cough on the Camino is not any different from a cold or cough circulating in any group of people.
That terminology aside, this is good to hear.I walked the Camino Frances this fall (Sept 15-Nov 2), and was pleased to find very responsible perigrinos along the route when it came to Covid prevention behaviors. Especially early on before the weather got too cold overnight, I found lots of fellow pilgrims were willing to keep windows open overnight in the albergues, for air circulation and to minimize the build-up of aerosol contagious particles.
was staying in Sahagun at the Santa Cruz Monastery (nice folks!), and one of the staff priests came with me to the Urgencias in town so I could get tested for Covid. The medical staff had me stay outside on a waiting bench, and after taking my US passport information (since I had no EU medical card), they did a rapid PCR test, and brought the results outside to me within 20-30 minutes. (All for no charge!) Thankfully negative:
Good to hear it was not Covid @Becky 59 . Especially nice to hear that everyone on your Camino reacted in such a swift and professional manner.I walked the Camino Frances this fall (Sept 15-Nov 2), and was pleased to find very responsible perigrinos along the route when it came to Covid prevention behaviors. Especially early on before the weather got too cold overnight, I found lots of fellow pilgrims were willing to keep windows open overnight in the albergues, for air circulation and to minimize the build-up of aerosol contagious particles.
Most pilgrims are familiar with the "Camino Crud": the cold or cough that seems to catch up with many of us after awhile, sharing sleeping space with so many people. Part-way across the Meseta I developed a scratchy throat, then a cough and runny nose...I was staying in Sahagun at the Santa Cruz Monastery (nice folks!), and one of the staff priests came with me to the Urgencias in town so I could get tested for Covid. The medical staff had me stay outside on a waiting bench, and after taking my US passport information (since I had no EU medical card), they did a rapid PCR test, and brought the results outside to me within 20-30 minutes. (All for no charge!) Thankfully negative: I just had the Camino Crud. Had it been positive I would have quarantined myself; as it was, I booked private rooms for the next several days until the "Crud" cleared up.
I talked with several other pilgrims who had similar experiences, had themselves tested for Covid, and fortunately had negative tests. A take-home message seems to be that the "Camino Crud" is alive and well, even with masks and hand-washing, but Covid was blessedly scarce or absent from the Camino, at least while I was there.
I also discovered that with a late fall Camino, the overnight temperatures (especially near Foncebadon and O Cebriero!) are VERY cold, and cracking windows open for ventilation would make for horribly uncomfortable and cold nights, even with my down blanket, and maybe even lynching by fellow pilgrims!
I'm finding myself more and more speechless. Perhaps the camino de Santiago wasn't for me.
Can't say...I'm speechlessJust out of curiosity – why? Because you may catch an infection while walking the Camino? That could happen on any travel destination or even when staying at home.
Or was it the threat of being lynched by fellow pilgrims? That’s a bit more scaring, I’ll give you that!
What can one say? That c-word is such a horrible word. It evokes flashbacks of babies (other people's babies, never your own) with colds and ... <shudder, just shudder>Just out of curiosity – why?
What can one say? That c-word is such a horrible word. It evokes flashbacks of babies (other people's babies, never your own) with colds and ... <shudder, just shudder>
PS: OMG. I googled for c..... c... and there are matches. The expression has already escaped and is on the internet!
I only snored because I had the Camino Crud...never at home.it comes from sleeping with a wide open mouth while snoring at championship levels...
Thanks. I've figured out in the meantime that it is American English.The term Camino Crud (as heard many times while on the CF) has been around since at least 2014.
Not surprising and a major reason why, in the autumn of 2019, I made sure that I had my flu injection before going on Camino and didn't stay in shared dormitories in albergues.Mix folks from all around the world into albergues/dorm-like accommodations and someone usually ends up with sinus problems and a mild cough.
You will be abhorred by anyone you wake up in the albergues at night; you give new meaning to the little phrase "get a room"."Championship levels"....what an amateur.
I am aiming for gold medal Olympic level.
I have always had my flu shots and walk in Spring using a combination of albergues and private accomodation...as needed.I made sure that I had my flu injection before going on Camino and didn't stay in shared dormitories in albergues.
On my first Camino, while staying in an albergue in Zubiri, a rather large Englishman across the room snored so intensely that it vibrated down the aluminum bed post, across the concrete floor, and up into the bed frame where I was sleeping. Although I had my trusty silicone ear plugs in, which dampened the sound significantly, the vibrations coming from someone snoring at Gold Medal Olympic Level across the room was a new experience."Championship levels"....what an amateur.
I am aiming for gold medal Olympic level.
Could you hear the national anthem as they raised the flag?On my first Camino, while staying in an albergue in Zubiri, a rather large Englishman across the room snored so intensely that it vibrated down the aluminum bed post, across the concrete floor, and up into the bed frame where I was sleeping. Although I had my trusty silicone ear plugs in, which dampened the sound significantly, the vibrations coming from someone snoring at Gold Medal Olympic Level across the room was a new experience.
No, unless it sounds like a river barge 3 meters from me tooting its horn in rhythmic fashion.Could you hear the national anthem as they raised the flag?
I heard the National Anthem many times in albergues and didn't know there were so many renditions.Could you hear the national anthem as they raised the flag?
So true! I agree wholeheartedly...especially after I get back home and think about what a marvelous time I had, "most" experiences included.Seriously, the whole albergue experience--from the snoring to being wary of catching Camino crud--is remembered fondly (mostly) and provides fodder for some humorous tales.
When I first walked the Frances in 2012, my friend got a bad cold/cough & others said it was the “Camino crud”! The term has been around that far back.I walked the Camino Frances this fall (Sept 15-Nov 2), and was pleased to find very responsible perigrinos along the route when it came to Covid prevention behaviors. Especially early on before the weather got too cold overnight, I found lots of fellow pilgrims were willing to keep windows open overnight in the albergues, for air circulation and to minimize the build-up of aerosol contagious particles.
Most pilgrims are familiar with the "Camino Crud": the cold or cough that seems to catch up with many of us after awhile, sharing sleeping space with so many people. Part-way across the Meseta I developed a scratchy throat, then a cough and runny nose...I was staying in Sahagun at the Santa Cruz Monastery (nice folks!), and one of the staff priests came with me to the Urgencias in town so I could get tested for Covid. The medical staff had me stay outside on a waiting bench, and after taking my US passport information (since I had no EU medical card), they did a rapid PCR test, and brought the results outside to me within 20-30 minutes. (All for no charge!) Thankfully negative: I just had the Camino Crud. Had it been positive I would have quarantined myself; as it was, I booked private rooms for the next several days until the "Crud" cleared up.
I talked with several other pilgrims who had similar experiences, had themselves tested for Covid, and fortunately had negative tests. A take-home message seems to be that the "Camino Crud" is alive and well, even with masks and hand-washing, but Covid was blessedly scarce or absent from the Camino, at least while I was there.
I also discovered that with a late fall Camino, the overnight temperatures (especially near Foncebadon and O Cebriero!) are VERY cold, and cracking windows open for ventilation would make for horribly uncomfortable and cold nights, even with my down blanket, and maybe even lynching by fellow pilgrims!
I agree. There's nothing unique about colds that are caught on the Camino. No need to associate the word "Camino" with them.I have never heard the term "Camino Crud" before, and I hope it does not enter common usage, as I find it rather unpleasant. A cold or cough on the Camino is not any different from a cold or cough circulating in any group of people.
As you can read in the original post that is exactly what @Becky 59 did!Never heard that term and I don't intend to use it.
Sounds like a seasonal cold- would have been best for you to rest in private rooms until it cleared.
Had it been positive I would have quarantined myself; as it was, I booked private rooms for the next several days until the "Crud" cleared up.
The Merriam-Webster entry shows 'crud' as having been first used in the 14th Century. Probably a bit late to try and stop its spread (as a word). I have found a reference to the term 'camino crud' as early as 2009, but stopped searching at that point.When I first walked the Frances in 2012, my friend got a bad cold/cough & others said it was the “Camino crud”! The term has been around that far back.
I see the phrase “CC” being too general, could be dirty boots or a bad hair day but a cough or a sinus cold is just the results of being out in strange weather and meeting new peopleI have never heard the term "Camino Crud" before, and I hope it does not enter common usage, as I find it rather unpleasant. A cold or cough on the Camino is not any different from a cold or cough circulating in any group of people.
Indeed, and I think that is what makes crud such a useful word, and by extension the term 'camino crud' a real workhorse that could be applied to anything unpleasant. Imagine the conversation as you walk back onto the path wafting some unpleasant aroma - 'This is awful! I just went for a pee, and look at this camino crud I stepped in. You'd think pilgrims would be more careful about where they left their crud.' Or after a visit to a particularly unpleasant public facility - 'That place was really cruddy. It didn't look like it had been cleaned forever! Talk about years of camino crud.'I see the phrase “CC” being too general, could be dirty boots or a bad hair day but a cough or a sinus cold is just the results of being out in strange weather and meeting new people
In fact, that is what I thought the thread would be about when I first saw the title. I wondered what Covid had to do with the toilet paper problem.the term 'camino crud' a real workhorse that could be applied to anything unpleasant. Imagine the conversation as you walk back onto the path wafting some unpleasant aroma - 'This is awful! I just went for a pee, and look at this camino crud I stepped in.
I’m with you 100%. Let’s unwatch this thread together.I don't like the word. I don't like it. I was going to totally ignore the thread, but it seems to have caught on. It is like some other topics that for me belong elsewhere, maybe on other forums. Or in private messages. This is my opinion.
When two threads were closed last week, I swore that I would steer clear of opinion comments. See how firm I am?I still don't like it. I promise myself not even to peek into this thread again.
I agree. No need for this terminology. Not because of the word “crud” per say-is problematic, but because demystifying the concern that newbies might have about catching this mysterious and strange “ Camino Crud,” instead of a cold could become a recurring theme . IMO as long as Covid 19 is around We should think very thoughtfully about staying in congregant room settings. Splurge for a private room in an albergue.I agree. There's nothing unique about colds that are caught on the Camino. No need to associate the word "Camino" with them.
In the last two years which has given a far more offensive word to add to our collective lexicon and one that has been used in the title of this thread, I will not be giving any more thought to this word.As an American, I've thought about the term "Camino crud" maybe a dozen times in my entire life, but after reading some of the reactions to a mere, harmless word in this thread I think I'll add it to my everyday curse word lexicon...
It was sarcasm, broIn the last two years which has given a far more offensive word to add to our collective lexicon and one that has been used in the title of this thread, I will not be giving any more thought to this word.
It is an adjective/ noun known, and used, by myself for years.
I have much more important things to think about.
I'm with you, @Phoenix! A mere harmless word. It seems people are making a mountain out of a molehill. I had never heard of camino crud until this thread. My sickness was really from flying, not from the Camino...so I will identify it as "Flight crud", since I did not catch it on the Caminos.As an American, I've thought about the term "Camino crud" maybe a dozen times in my entire life, but after reading some of the reactions to a mere, harmless word in this thread I think I'll add it to my everyday curse word lexicon...
I know.. so was mine a little, no offence intended.It was sarcasm, bro
I'm with you, @Phoenix! A mere harmless word. It seems people are making a mountain out of a molehill. I had never heard of camino crud until this thread. My sickness was really from flying, not from the Camino...so I will identify it as "Flight crud", since I did not catch it on the Caminos.
You've never needed one and you do just fine paying at the bar...from what you have told us.Oh, if only I could get a prescription for Orujo…..
Hi- the active ingredient in Fluimucil is acetylcysteine. This is widely available (various forms) over the counter in the US. Some people shouldn’t take it (ulcers, heart failure, etc), so it’s necessary to look for contraindications before using. It’s been used for a very long time. Here’s the blurb from the NIH:Whatever you wish to call it, it is a real nuisance when/if it catches up to you.
Over many years traveling on business or "Camino-ing", I have found "Fluimucil" from the nearest farmacia to be quite the superb antidote. Use of it has allowed me continuation of business or walking without any lost time.
It now goes in the pack at my first sighting of a farmacia. (As it is unavailable in the US near as I can tell.)
An effervescent tablet or sachet to be dropped in hot water/tea provides a lemony beverage that gets to work within a few hours. (I have no preference for tablet or sachet as long as they provide 600 mg of active ingredient. Packaging looks like this in Spain.)
Fluimucil Forte 600 mg 20 comprimidos efervescentes
flumil fluimucil forte comprimidos efervescentes acetilcisteinafarmaciaescofet.com
Side effects are known but few in number. The attached link provides the safety data from a UK provider so you can see whether it is likely acceptable to you.
B
Oh blessDuring our first two caminos, my wife and I mostly stayed in albergues, and a few quad rooms with my brother and his wife during our second camino. I caught a serious cold. I recall staying in the luxurious Leon Parador and one night alternated between an entire body sweat, to shivering underneath the covers. My wife used a cold towell to mop my brow most of the night. For our third and fourth caminos, my wife and I have stayed exclusively in private rooms with our own private bathrooms. No camino crud experienced by either of us. And before each camino, we have our doctors prescribe generic Keflex. We self medicate if we start coughing, or in my case my black toes look like they may be developing an infection. Bob
Going off on a turrible tangent: I was recently informed of local changes in Spanish health insurance where cough syrup is no longer covered and may cost €10 while a salbutamol inhaler is still € 2-3. Compare this to US prices: cough syrup cheap and albuterol inhaler, with insurance, upwards of $45. Never ceases to blow my mind, maybe cause I’m a pulmonologist with asthma buying my inhalers in España.It can actually be quite nasty. I ended up with a full blown case of bronchitis. After a trip to the doctor I was given prescriptions to obtain meds and a strong cough syrup and was able to continue with my journey.
It sure has changed since my days in 2013 on the Camino Francès and on the Via Podiensis. Not sure I want to do the Francès again...I'm finding myself more and more speechless. Perhaps the camino de Santiago wasn't for me.
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