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I know the question kinda sucks. So earlier this year, on the VDLP, I had a discussion with a Spaniard. We talked about his walking experience. He told me he's walked like 4 caminos but it drives him nuts, sometimes, when he talks to other people, and they claim 5, all from Sarria.
I personally only count the longer ones. Nah, Finesterre or Muxia don't count. Neither does the San Salvador. I do have this one, when I was younger, from SJPdP to Leon... no compostella, do I count that? It's either 18 or 19 now for the next one... like a milestone maybe.
As I write this I already know the answer. If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
You get it.Yes, I think your last point is a good one.
Some people love to count them like notches on their gun!
But what counts? Is walking 800 kms on the Frances, 200 kms each year 1 camino or 4?
Is walking 'only' from Sarria a Camino? Of course it is. In my view at least
This year I walked the VdlP from Seville to Astorga, then on the Frances to Ponferrada, then onto the Invierno to Santiago, then on to Fisterra and Muxia. All in one go.
Is that one Camino or three and a bit? Who cares
I think if you somehow want to keep a 'tally' the more logical thing would be to count kms or days on the path.......
For me the number of Caminos I have walked, is still' not quite enough.
Um, mine did, twice. I took the route through Ourense both times. If i had gone to Astorga, would it count? You get it too.I’ll bite.
Is the VDLP a Camino as it doesn’t end in Santiago?
Obviously.I would count them on my fingers and then my toes. But I don't.
I’ll bite.
Is the VDLP a Camino as it doesn’t end in Santiago?
An interesting question. I tend to think of the pilgrimages that I have undertaken, some of them on the Camino de Santiago, but many elsewhere. I have never thought of those that didn't end in Santiago as any less than those that have.I’ll bite.
Is the VDLP a Camino as it doesn’t end in Santiago?
You are a pilgrim … hospitalero’s are super pilgrims !I think of it as walking on the Camino rather than a Camino to Santiago. I've only arrived in Santiago twice, but I have walked stretches of Caminos almost every year. I posted a thread about this a year or two ago wondering if I should consider myself a pilgrim if I am only walking to my hospitalero assignment or away after knowing I wouldn't be going clear through to Santiago. Still no clear personal answer for me.
If you follow the official rules, than any walk that leads to a Compostela, is countable.
Than Tui to SdC and Sarria to SdC by foot is a valid count.
I walked the CF from SJPdP to SdC in 2019 and Porto to SdC this July and counting 2 Caminos.
It is our own decision to walk longer distances, than necessary
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The VdlP connects via the Sanabres OR the CF, so it counts.If I understand you there’s never a Compostela for the VDLP in itself as you have to connect to another route.
It’s a bit of a disappointment as I’ve just completed it and the Sanabres. Off to the Pilgrim Office to ask!
I personally think a short Camino is still a Camino. So someone who has walked the Ingles has walked a Camino, as has someone who has walked the Frances from Sarria or the Portugues from Tui or the Primitivo from Lugo. I don't think there is a magic distance that qualifies something as a "Camino".I know the question kinda sucks. So earlier this year, on the VDLP, I had a discussion with a Spaniard. We talked about his walking experience. He told me he's walked like 4 caminos but it drives him nuts, sometimes, when he talks to other people, and they claim 5, all from Sarria.
I personally only count the longer ones. Nah, Finesterre or Muxia don't count. Neither does the San Salvador. I do have this one, when I was younger, from SJPdP to Leon... no compostella, do I count that? It's either 18 or 19 now for the next one... like a milestone maybe.
As I write this I already know the answer. If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
Indeed. The reflection part of my Caminos is what is important to me now. I have truly absorbed and cherish the concept of "The Way is the goal". And being older, this is becoming increasingly important. Looking forward to possibly setting out again from Pamplona in 1 1/2 weeks time. No ticket booked yet, but the plan is on the table. Flexibility as a retired man is a blessing.I used to be competitive when I was young. I’m now of the age where I’ve stopped counting what I’ve done and am simply grateful for the opportunity to do more.
So, I like to start sentences with so. It is like friendly... chatty.So, (I loathe starting a sentence with so!) - if you already know the answer...in the wider scheme of things...I count mine on an abacus.
Forgive this ancient pedant... here is a link I haven't studied, but it maybe adds a little to my 75 plus years of exposure to Scottish variant of the English language.So, I like to start sentences with so. It is like friendly... chatty.
I hate rules.And I agree, it is nice and chatty!
So, what's wrong with that?So, I like to start sentences with so. It is like friendly... chatty.
So, I now think I understand where you're coming from.Means I've heard what you've said and I think you'd be useless even under a Donkey's tail.
I see it as interchangeable with the word "Well" when starting a sentence. It invites in an audience and discussion - very friendly, like Damien writes! Sorry to follow off topic!Forgive this ancient pedant... here is a link I haven't studied, but it maybe adds a little to my 75 plus years of exposure to Scottish variant of the English language.
If you are not interested, stop right here!so
1. very, extremely, or to such a degree: 2. used before a noun or before "not…dictionary.cambridge.org
When I was learning the rules, it meant something equivalent to therefore. That is thereforewhy I find it odd to begin a sentence or phrase with it. I do understand that technology has wreaked - and a new acceptance on my part of this form of the verb! - havoc with old fashioned pen scripted language.
An interesting thing, for me is that I doubt more than I did when I was a schoolchild, because our tuition was absolutely A1.
National prejudice?
Ignorant opinion?
I rather like to think that we did have a superb curriculum and teacher programme in my days, post war Scotland, Central Belt.
Now be thankful, I have to stop! And I agree, it is nice and chatty!
I see it as interchangeable with the word "Well" when starting a sentence. It invites in an audience and discussion - very friendly, like Damien writes! Sorry to follow off topic!
The discourse marker well in the history of English1 | English Language & Linguistics | Cambridge Core
The discourse marker well in the history of English1 - Volume 1 Issue 1www.cambridge.org
Me?Hmm; the Tinker equivalent. Means I've heard what you've said and I think you'd be useless even under a Donkey's tail. But lets continue this discussion as soon as you've got a round in..
my favorite german expression is kopfkino.I think we REALLY should push the stakes up and retort to German
"UND SO....."
Dang... even font became bigger automatically!!!!!
Give the man a break under a Donkey's tail...
You wanna fight? I don't. I'd just rather spread cheer.Hmm; the Tinker equivalent. Means I've heard what you've said and I think you'd be useless even under a Donkey's tail. But lets continue this discussion as soon as you've got a round in...
Amigo, I think you’ve earnt your station on the top of the rump
I do the same. Although if I had had enough time to walk the Inglés this year after reaching Santiago on the Norte and Primitivo I may have counted it as another Camino.I tend to count Caminos separate from Camino routes. So if someone asks how many Caminos I've done I will say 4: 1989, 2016, 2018, and 2023. Each was its own continuous pilgrimage. If someone says how many Camino routes have I walked I will say 6: Frances, Portugues (from Porto), Madrid, San Salvador, Primitivo, Finisterre/Muxia.
ObvsI hate rules.
Because it is no longer one continuous walk....I do the same. Although if I had had enough time to walk the Inglés this year after reaching Santiago on the Norte and Primitivo I may have counted it as another Camino.
hehe.Obvs
Me too. I've just returned home from a short walk from SJPDP to Logroño. The question about having walked at other times or on other Caminos came up occasionally in conversations. After the first few times I was very reluctant to reply as my answer tended to either kill the conversation immediately or lead people to assume wrongly that I was an expert on the Caminos who could answer all their queries.I don't share how many Caminos I've walked unless someone asks.
The question about having walked at other times or on other Caminos came up occasionally in conversations. After the first few times I was very reluctant to reply as my answer tended to either kill the conversation immediately or lead people to assume wrongly that I was an expert on the Caminos who could answer all their queries
Not my kind of thing. Sounds quite ostentatious and tacky.I have met a number of pilgrims who have patches of every Camino, and one woman this year actually made a kind of banner with patches which she attached to her backpack, almost like a superhero cape.
Not my thing either. I draw enough attention being the peregrina who walks in a dress and sandals.Not my kind of thing. Sounds quite ostentatious and tacky.
Thank you for the tip. If I ever feel that I need more attention then perhaps I'll do the same....Not my thing either. I draw enough attention being the peregrina who walks in a dress and sandals.
I count them with my feet.I would count them on my fingers and then my toes. But I don't.
I was the instigator. My bad. I probably derailed it too.So, is it possible to count how many times a forum thread de-rails?
Is there such a thing?
"If so" ( A new start???) how do we count them?
Ooh, that's a good goal to aim for!I was hoping to make it to a full year of 365 days
No, really?!!!I was the instigator. My bad. I probably derailed it too.
I think of it as walking on the Camino rather than a Camino to Santiago. I've only arrived in Santiago twice, but I have walked stretches of Caminos almost every year. I posted a thread about this a year or two ago wondering if I should consider myself a pilgrim if I am only walking to my hospitalero assignment or away after knowing I wouldn't be going clear through to Santiago. Still no clear personal answer for me.
MTS ( Minus The Stress)No, really?!!!
Ah, thank you, I now have an answer. I am often asked how many caminos I have walked, and I have no idea, so I never know what to say . . . a month here, a week there, 3 days once from Astorga to Ponferrada – does that count as a camino same as the 10 weeks from Le Puy en Velay to Santiago? . . . was the Camino de Madrid – Salvador – Primitivo one camino or three? . . . so I just say “quite a few”. Not good enough, they want a straight, short answer . . . 3 caminos, 4 caminos, 5 caminos, WHAT . . . ? Now I know what to reply:If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
So like be friendly. too. I mean, sometimes people actually like to know someone has done it before. When they are your friends.Ah, thank you, I now have an answer. I am often asked how many caminos I have walked, and I have no idea, so I never know what to say . . . a month here, a week there, 3 days once from Astorga to Ponferrada – does that count as a camino same as the 10 weeks from Le Puy en Velay to Santiago? . . . was the Camino de Madrid – Salvador – Primitivo one camino or three? . . . so I just say “quite a few”. Not good enough, they want a straight, short answer . . . 3 caminos, 4 caminos, 5 caminos, WHAT . . . ? Now I know what to reply:
If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
I like it. Except they won’t understand it if they haven’t walked a few themselves . . .
Wow! Amazing!! And thank you for all your service. I wonder if you giving this reply to all who asked would make anyone hesitate before asking the question again.Camino history: CF: SJPdP-Fisterra 7/10, VdlP: Sevilla-Zamora 7/11, Hospitalera Grañón + CF: Burgos-Bercianos 7/12, Pelgrimspad I: 2012/13, Hospitalera El Burgo Ranero + Sanabrés: Zamora-Muxia/Fisterra 7/13, CF: Sarria-SdC 12/13. VdlP: Sevilla-Salamanca 2/14. Levante: Valencia-Toledo: 6-7/14. Mozárabe: Granada-Mérida 9-10/14. VdlP: Salamanca-SdC 10/14. Hospitalera Ponferrada + Levante: Toledo-Zamora 4/15. Camí Sant Jaume via Huesca, Aragonés, Sanabrés: A Gudiña-Finisterre + Hospitalera Nájera 6-7/15. Norte: Irún-Portugalete 10/15. Rota Vicentina + Caminho Portugês Central: Porto-Tui: 3/2016. Norte: Portugalete-Ribadesella + VdlP: Sevilla-Mérida 6/2016. Norte: Santillana del Mar-Gijón 10/16. Norte: Gijón-Finisterre 6/17, Caminho Portugês da Costa 7/17, Inglés 7/17, CF: Burgos-Sarria 12/17-1/18. Camino de Madrid + CF: Sahagun - Santiago 6/18. CF: SJPdP - SdC 10-11/18. Hospitalera Ponferrada 1/2019. Lana: Alicante-Cuenca 4/19. Primitivo 4/19. Norte: Bilbao-Gijón+CF: León -SdC 5-6/19. Hospitalera/Owner Albergue Villares de Orbigo 2020. San Salvador+Primitivo 6/21. Via Podiensis Le Puy-en-Veley - Conques 9/21. Norte: Bilbao-SdC 7/22. Olvidado+Invierno 6-7/23.
Now that's scary. Have you ever considered just walking down to the Chemists?
So it is okay to count.For some reason this album comes to mind: Our Endless Numbered Days
Such a great title, probably borrowed from somewhere, but fitting here. Pretty music, too!
That, is the question.So it is okay to count.
That's not @Tincatinker's camino history, it's @LTfit's. @Tincatinker's is:Wow! Amazing!! And thank you for all your service. I wonder if you giving this reply to all who asked would make anyone hesitate before asking the question again.
I'm sure I'm guilty of having asked other pilgrims how many or what other Caminos they may have walked, or if this is their first, but I think I'm just asking to make conversation, to find connection points, gain a sense of their interests/ experience without being too personal. After all, it seems to be a rare pilgrim who doesn't want to talk about the Camino (although maybe that's just when they get home).
Counting steps, km, pilgrimages, kilojoules..... Pointless? Some people are stats people & just enjoy counting.
However, I'm reminded of the saying: Don't count the moments, make each moment count.
You're correct, Tincatinker. I was confusing /mashing up another phrase from memory: Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom. Psalm 90:12. I guess I always thought that must have been an inspiration. Definitely a nuanced message through the music! In any case, sorry again to stray off topic.It’s a great album but the only literary reference I can find is Claire Fuller’s eponymous novel published in 2015, eleven years after Sam Beam’s Iron & Wine release. I think Sam can claim authorial rights. A really bloody good song too.
Sorry, what was the question? Ah, yes, counting. I hope no one’s counting. I’m just on the road. I wasn’t looking for a prize
@Damien Reynolds, you sure know how to start threads that "go places"...this one has eighty posts in just two days. Most of yours are just a bit different, too; I'm sure you would be a very interesting person to meet while walking a Camino.That, is the question.
Well, at least I have that going for me.you sure know how to start threads that "go places"
When you come from along way off - each time you board that 27 hour flight to Spain you’re going on a Camino. What part who cares?I know the question kinda sucks. So earlier this year, on the VDLP, I had a discussion with a Spaniard. We talked about his walking experience. He told me he's walked like 4 caminos but it drives him nuts, sometimes, when he talks to other people, and they claim 5, all from Sarria.
I personally only count the longer ones. Nah, Finesterre or Muxia don't count. Neither does the San Salvador. I do have this one, when I was younger, from SJPdP to Leon... no compostella, do I count that? It's either 18 or 19 now for the next one... like a milestone maybe.
As I write this I already know the answer. If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
@HappyValerie, the truth be told, @Tincatinker was quoting my signatureWow! Amazing!! And thank you for all your service. I wonder if you giving this reply to all who asked would make anyone hesitate before asking the question again.
I'm sure I'm guilty of having asked other pilgrims how many or what other Caminos they may have walked, or if this is their first, but I think I'm just asking to make conversation, to find connection points, gain a sense of their interests/ experience without being too personal. After all, it seems to be a rare pilgrim who doesn't want to talk about the Camino (although maybe that's just when they get home).
Counting steps, km, pilgrimages, kilojoules..... Pointless? Some people are stats people & just enjoy counting.
However, I'm reminded of the saying: Don't count the moments, make each moment count.
Yes, I think your last point is a good one.
Some people love to count them like notches on their gun!
But what counts? Is walking 800 kms on the Frances, 200 kms each year 1 camino or 4?
Is walking 'only' from Sarria a Camino? Of course it is. In my view at least
This year I walked the VdlP from Seville to Astorga, then on the Frances to Ponferrada, then onto the Invierno to Santiago, then on to Fisterra and Muxia. All in one go.
Is that one Camino or three and a bit? Who cares
I think if you somehow want to keep a 'tally' the more logical thing would be to count kms or days on the path.......
For me the number of Caminos I have walked, is still.... not quite enough.
Hi Robo, last we saw of you was at a great meal in Salamanca with Ted & Linda…and I’m still hankering for another walk, maybe the Camino Madrid.@HappyValerie, the truth be told, @Tincatinker was quoting my signature.
Years back I saw someone's Forum signature with the names of the Caminos done. Another Forum member asked for dates, that's how this whole list began. I must admit that the list has gotten out of hand but that's what happens when you walk every year and during some years 2 or 3 times plus volunteer.
A couple of years ago I did count the amount of km walked along Camino routes just for fun. It was then about 10,000 km. Many Spanish comment that I know Spain better than they do, not hard when almost all your vacations are spent walking about
Hi Robo, last we saw of you was at a great meal in Salamanca with Ted & Linda…and I’m still hankering for another walk, maybe the Camino Madrid.
Exactly - I'm on my 8th - but who's really countingAs I write this I already know the answer. If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
As you said, I do not really count, but in the sense of the phrase which caminos "do count" for me, then it is the longer ones and each of them basically would count once. If I would walk the Francés 3 times, it would still count as one camino, which however I enjoyed three times ... does this make sense? ;-)I know the question kinda sucks. So earlier this year, on the VDLP, I had a discussion with a Spaniard. We talked about his walking experience. He told me he's walked like 4 caminos but it drives him nuts, sometimes, when he talks to other people, and they claim 5, all from Sarria.
I personally only count the longer ones. Nah, Finesterre or Muxia don't count. Neither does the San Salvador. I do have this one, when I was younger, from SJPdP to Leon... no compostella, do I count that? It's either 18 or 19 now for the next one... like a milestone maybe.
As I write this I already know the answer. If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
If you're walking to provide service to other pilgrims I'd say that makes you as much of a pilgrim as anyone.I think of it as walking on the Camino rather than a Camino to Santiago. I've only arrived in Santiago twice, but I have walked stretches of Caminos almost every year. I posted a thread about this a year or two ago wondering if I should consider myself a pilgrim if I am only walking to my hospitalero assignment or away after knowing I wouldn't be going clear through to Santiago. Still no clear personal answer for me.
You forgot to mention your umbrellaNot my thing either. I draw enough attention being the peregrina who walks in a dress and sandals.
It's not how I would do it, but I don't have any difficulty if that is how you want to do you own counting. Other than for reasons I have already explained, it's not the count that is as important as the experience.As you said, I do not really count, but in the sense of the phrase which caminos "do count" for me, then it is the longer ones and each of them basically would count once. If I would walk the Francés 3 times, it would still count as one camino, which however I enjoyed three times ... does this make sense? ;-)
In English. One, two, three.How do you count your caminos?
Haha, not really, but whatever so long as it makes sense to you.If I would walk the Francés 3 times, it would still count as one camino, which however I enjoyed three times ... does this make sense? ;-)
Of course it makes sense ... to me ;-) .. nah, I guess I was referring to doing the same Camino twice is very enjoyable but then I cannot tick off one more of those Caminos on my really-want-to-do-them list. My counting refers to a bucket list in that sense.In English. One, two, three.
It would be cheating any other way.
Haha, not really, but whatever so long as it makes sense to you.
Nah, I would count one, two, three, manyIn English. One, two, three.
I was then curious how many he had done and so I asked him. He replied with a response that blew me away, he said 28!
I count my major foot pilgrimages -- including one extremely short one here locally during a Holy Year ; and it was tough, because I still hadn't learned how to live with my disability yet.I know the question kinda sucks. So earlier this year, on the VDLP, I had a discussion with a Spaniard. We talked about his walking experience. He told me he's walked like 4 caminos but it drives him nuts, sometimes, when he talks to other people, and they claim 5, all from Sarria.
A foot pilgrimage isn't defined by distances.I personally only count the longer ones.
Why not ? If they're with pilgrim purpose, why not ?Nah, Finesterre or Muxia don't count. Neither does the San Salvador.
If you're "collecting" "Caminos", then maybe you are, yes ...I do have this one, when I was younger, from SJPdP to Leon... no compostella, do I count that? It's either 18 or 19 now for the next one... like a milestone maybe.
As I write this I already know the answer. If you count your caminos you are missing the point.
For some reason I can't open the photo to read the inscription. Could someone please type it out? Thank you.The 88 temple pilgrimage circuit on Shikoku is about 1200km long. Shortly before Temple 88 there is a small museum of the pilgrimage. I saw this photo of a pilgrim and its caption in one of the glass cases.
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Nakatsukasa, Mohei (1845-1922)For some reason I can't open the photo to read the inscription. Could someone please type it out? Thank you.
Luxury. I count them with tears of painI count them with my feet.
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