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Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
Probably best to ask prices if none are displayed so you know what you will potentially be paying.Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
I agree. We are all used to having Spain be such a reasonably priced country in general compared to many others, that it can breed an expectation that everything from lodging to meals should all be a bargain, which is wrong to assume.And I am weary of camino walkers thinking they can get everything cheap!
You can find two decent breakfasts in the US for $22?!! I need that restaurant! . Just been in USA a month and even Denny’s was coming in at $50 for two (including taxes and gratuities) for a couple of omelettes and coffee, Admittedly free refills. Even the ‘super slam’ didn’t get me below $30 for two! . I spent a month on the ‘gas station’ diet!I agree. We are all used to having Spain be such a reasonably priced country in general compared to many others, that it can breed an expectation that everything from lodging to meals should all be a bargain, which is wrong to assume.
In the US, $22 for two decent breakfasts in a restaurant is very standard...unless you go to a fast food.
To say that this place is a rip-off restaurant is going a bit far. The next time you go to eat somewhere I would ask for the price list and if you think it is too expensive you can leave.Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
We are conscious of food costs on caminos, as eating out 3 times a day can add up and we try and economize where we can. So one meal that is relatively easy to economize on is breakfast. We buy fruit, and yogurt in small cups almost daily, the night before, and purchase a small bag of nuts periodically as a protein topping on the yogurt. The cost of this daily for two persons is about 5 euros. One could also purchase cereal, and perhaps share the 3-4 cost with another pilgrim. Sometimes we buy milk, but I am perfectly fine eating the cereal with water and maybe strawberries or blueberries. If one really needs to budget there are many suggestions on this forum. Please remember that restaurant owners need to make a living too!I agree. We are all used to having Spain be such a reasonably priced country in general compared to many others, that it can breed an expectation that everything from lodging to meals should all be a bargain, which is wrong to assume.
In the US, $22 for two decent breakfasts in a restaurant is very standard...unless you go to a fast food.
Chin up!Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
Well, TM22, as I recall you were recently visiting on both our coasts in California and Florida; a different situation from me merely pointing out that in a non-touristy city in northern Illinois you can get a good breakfast at that price. There are definitely more upscale places here, as well. I always tip at 20%, the standard amount for good service. If I head into the Chicago area, prices are definitely higher.You can find two decent breakfasts in the US for $22?!! I need that restaurant! . Just been in USA a month and even Denny’s was coming in at $50 for two (including taxes and gratuities) for a couple of omelettes and coffee, Admittedly free refills. Even the ‘super slam’ didn’t get me below $30 for two! . I spent a month on the ‘gas station’ diet!
Thanks…ooh sorry I wasn’t being sarcastic! I was pleased to hear that there was some value out there as I have other trips planned (even in Illinois) and keen to ‘eat better for less’ and struggled to find anything even staying at trucker motels in the middle of nowhere! Sorry if it came across wrong. I most start using emojis but my daughter says I al too old!!Well, TM22, as I recall you were recently visiting on both our coasts in California and Florida; a different situation from me merely pointing out that in a non-touristy city in northern Illinois you can get a good breakfast at that price. There are definitely more upscale places here, as well. I always tip at 20%, the standard amount for good service. If I head into the Chicago area, prices are definitely higher.
That’s fine! Yea my daughter has banned emoji and baseball caps!! Seems to be ok for females! I am not sure why I take any notice!!! Daughters eh!No problem, @TravellingMan22. You were not being sarcastic, but sharing your own experience.
If you are too old to use emojis then I definitely am....But I don't care! I think they can add a lot and sometimes help where text can often lack a person's intentions, so I will continue using those little yellow round faces.
And that David is darned reasonable!HHmmm .. I am not sure. Here in Bath (UK) in the old Guildhall Market there is a cafe - really good one but 1960s style - that is the cheapest in the area ... I have been going there now and then since 1972 ... so beautifully old fashioned and a 'proper' cafe. I just checked online -
Two coffees - £3.90
Two juices - 2.70
Two cheese sandwiches - 7.30
Total of - £13.90 which in Euros is 16.25, add in the tip? .. not that far off what you paid - but I would add in location of your cafe - you were pleased to find somewhere? last cafe for miles? and you didn't ask for the price list first? hhmmm ... well, Buen Camino.
@GEDGER , welcome, your first post has brought a fair number of replies!Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
Yes, prices will vary tremendously in the US. We usually look for a Sr or military discount. At Perkins, I order off the 55+ menu. Phil at age 73, insists on getting the more generous and expensive portions off the regular menu.That’s fine! Yea my daughter has banned emoji and baseball caps!! Seems to be ok for females! I am not sure why I take any notice!!! Daughters eh!
Seriously tho I did stay in a Motel 6 in Indio, CA which is ‘cheapville’ and struggled to find a decent price. Don’t expect one in LA, SFO or MIA! I am a cheapskate to be fair and the ‘gas stations’ did the job!
Anyway sorry back to topic!
Yeah, but David is only 21 and has a discount student pass!HHmmm .. I am not sure. Here in Bath (UK) in the old Guildhall Market there is a cafe - really good one but 1960s style - that is the cheapest in the area ... I have been going there now and then since 1972 ... so beautifully old fashioned and a 'proper' cafe. I just checked online -
Two coffees - £3.90
Two juices - 2.70
Two cheese sandwiches - 7.30
Total of - £13.90 which in Euros is 16.25, add in the tip? and this is the cheapest in Bath, by a mile .. not that far off what you paid - but I would add in location of your cafe - you were pleased to find somewhere? last cafe for miles? and you didn't ask for the price list first? hhmmm ... well, Buen Camino.
Thanks yes. I think Europeans(very generally) maybe more frugal than USA folks and used to ‘fixed prices’ rather than ‘net prices’ to which taxes and gratuities adds a lot. My friend a couple of weeks ago wondered why a $90 dinner bill pinged up on her card as $130 when I was up at the counter putting the card PIN in. She wasn’t aware of the tax and gratuity thing. She is now!!! I tend to find USA folks alot more generous and better able to deal to deal with ‘greyness’ financially. Just my view!Yes, prices will vary tremendously in the US. We usually look for a Sr or military discount. At Perkins, I order off the 55+ menu. Phil at age 73, insists on getting the more generous and expensive portions off the regular menu.
Some Camino breakfasts included at the albergue are, in my opinion, a rip off with a luke warm cup of coffee and a small pastry wrapped in plastic. I seldom opt for those and would rather carry a couple of hard-boiled eggs, a piece of cheese, and maybe a piece of fruit. If stopping for a second breakfast I need to avoid juice or a lot of pastries due to my type 2 diabetes.
Thanks yes. I think Europeans(very generally) maybe more frugal than USA folks and used to ‘fixed prices’ rather than ‘net prices’ to which taxes and gratuities adds a lot. My friend a couple of weeks ago wondered why a $90 dinner bill pinged up on her card as $130 when I was up at the counter putting the card PIN in. She wasn’t aware of the tax and gratuity thing. She is now!!! I tend to find USA folks alot more generous and better able to deal to deal with ‘greyness’ financially. Just my view!
Thanks yes. I think Europeans(very generally) maybe more frugal than USA folks and used to ‘fixed prices’ rather than ‘net prices’ to which taxes and gratuities adds a lot. My friend a couple of weeks ago wondered why a $90 dinner bill pinged up on her card as $130 when I was up at the counter putting the card PIN in. She wasn’t aware of the tax and gratuity thing. She is now!!! I tend to find USA folks alot more generous and better able to deal to deal with ‘greyness’ financially. Just my view!
Yes I agree with all that - the price is the price - but I do think so nations are more generous. Just my experience. And yes a concept where you add city and state taxes, but quote ‘net’ is alien to us.I
It’s not about which nationality is more generous than another. At the basic level, Europeans are used to tipping for good service, rather than a practice where tipping 10% is considered a signal that the service has been terrible, and where not tipping is considered a apocalypse-inducing event. And we’re also used to taxes - in the UK VAT - being built into the pricing. The price is the price.
I agree to some extent. I am extremely frugal about some things so I can spend my money on other things (like travel). I shop with coupons, look at grocery ads for sale items, and meal plan so I don't waste money or food. I always use a shopping list and usually stick with it. We seldom go out to eat any more (which is actually better healthwise for both of us) and our children with kids at home simply can't afford to go out even to a fast food place and usually bring sandwiches along to the children's' sporting events. On the other hand, I like to cook and can make something good to eat on low budget.Thanks yes. I think Europeans(very generally) maybe more frugal than USA folks and used to ‘fixed prices’ rather than ‘net prices’ to which taxes and gratuities adds a lot. My friend a couple of weeks ago wondered why a $90 dinner bill pinged up on her card as $130 when I was up at the counter putting the card PIN in. She wasn’t aware of the tax and gratuity thing. She is now!!! I tend to find USA folks alot more generous and better able to deal to deal with ‘greyness’ financially. Just my view!
Last week I asked a local in Rome to recommend a place to eat in Trastevere.I don't generally view US people as more generous outside of tipping.
One adjustment i did make in my own dealings is setting a high financial threshold for something to bother me.
My due diligence is usually a quick check of Google maps to see if the place has a low score, and in tourist places to ask how much things cost in advance.
Sure.. the tipping landscape does seem to be changing. I remember the good old days when it was a dollar tip a drink, but now with card the recommendation seems to be 18, 22 or 25% with an option to ‘custom’ down or up. I always pay the 18% or ‘round up’ of higher as I know the folks depend on tips and the service tends to be great!!I agree to some extent. I am extremely frugal about some things so I can spend my money on other things (like travel). I shop with coupons, look at grocery ads for sale items, and meal plan so I don't waste money or food. I always use a shopping list and usually stick with it. We seldom go out to eat any more (which is actually better healthwise for both of us) and our children with kids at home simply can't afford to go out even to a fast food place and usually bring sandwiches along to the children's' sporting events. On the other hand, I like to cook and can make something good to eat on low budget.
Yes, tipping adds about 20% to any bill and of course there is also tax which varies by locality. US food servers are usually paid some really sub-minimum wages (a few dollars an hour) so the only way for them to survive is on tips. It is very sad and while I agree with @Simperegrina, the way that servers are paid here is unlikely to change any time soon. I don't consider the tipping "greyness" and just add it in my head whenever I am looking at menu prices so I'll know how much the bill will be.
For every “bad” experience on the Camino (which I always chalked up to my inexperience) at least two grand things would happen elsewhere. Just wait. That breakfast will become one of those things you never remember! Take a breath, blow out the candle, and Buen Camino!!Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
For every “bad” experience on the Camino (which I always chalked up to my inexperience) at least two grand things would happen elsewhere. Just wait. That breakfast will become one of those things you never remember! Take a breath, blow out the candle, and Buen Camino!!
For every “bad” experience on the Camino (which I always chalked up to my inexperience) at least two grand things would happen elsewhere. Just wait. That breakfast will become one of those things you never remember! Take a breath, blow out the candle, and Buen Camino!!
That is a LOT of food!When I walked the Portuguese Camino in 2022 I had the worst dinner experience at a place recommended by the owner of the pensión where II stayed. Overcooked, overpriced, and rude service. But the next day I had this absolutely delicious dinner at a restaurant overlooking the Tagus River.
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I only ate what was on the plate, I skipped the appetizers.That is a LOT of food!
You must have a HUGE Driveway!...Or was that the replacement cost?Someone just offered to clean my driveway today for £750 - that’s about 1000 € or $.
Is that for snow removal? We had snow yesterday again (I am so ready for spring to actually appear). Otherwise wouldn't you just rent a power washer to hose it down? Seems a bit pricey unless your drive is quite lengthy and more of a lane?Someone just offered to clean my driveway today for £750 - that’s about 1000 € or $.
I’d clean it myself with a toothbrush for that, but at least the price was stated up front!
You can find two decent breakfasts in the US for $22?!! I need that restaurant! . Just been in USA a month and even Denny’s was coming in at $50 for two (including taxes and gratuities) for a couple of omelettes and coffee, Admittedly free refills. Even the ‘super slam’ didn’t get me below $30 for two! . I spent a month on the ‘gas station’ diet!
AHHH Good ole Califor-ni-yey! Yup that'll do it.Well, TM22, as I recall you were recently visiting on both our coasts in California and Florida;
So.... you didnt eat the fishes.....I only ate what was on the plate, I skipped the appetizers.
Being nosy. But whoever told you you wouldn’t have bad experiences? Things happen. And perhaps “bad” is not the correct adjective. Maybe I should have used “less than optimal”. Like taking a wrong turn. Walking 10 extra km because of it. Those things happen. To some of us. Or maybe I just like to think they happen to others and it’s not just me. Shoot. Maybe it is just me. And also, 2 was a random number. To be honest I had so many good experiences, the number was probably more like 50. So. Sorry I pushed a touchy button Travellingman22.Being nosey, but why would you put every bad experience down to your inexperience. And why would you assume 2 good things would happen! The two are separate and you shouldn’t have a bad experience!
or perhaps it will be THE thing he remembers.... and laughs aboutFor every “bad” experience on the Camino (which I always chalked up to my inexperience) at least two grand things would happen elsewhere. Just wait. That breakfast will become one of those things you never remember! Take a breath, blow out the candle, and Buen Camino!!
Have you priced an Egg McMuffin, coffee and oj at McDonalds lately? Probably $10 each. At least the coffees and Oj would taste good. Why do people just think everything should be cheaper on the Camino.I agree. We are all used to having Spain be such a reasonably priced country in general compared to many others, that it can breed an expectation that everything from lodging to meals should all be a bargain, which is wrong to assume.
In the US, $22 for two decent breakfasts in a restaurant is very standard...unless you go to a fast food.
I hope you survived the Motel 6 in Indio. Other than that hoped you enjoyed the US.That’s fine! Yea my daughter has banned emoji and baseball caps!! Seems to be ok for females! I am not sure why I take any notice!!! Daughters eh!
Seriously tho I did stay in a Motel 6 in Indio, CA which is ‘cheapville’ and struggled to find a decent price. Don’t expect one in LA, SFO or MIA! I am a cheapskate to be fair and the ‘gas stations’ did the job!
Anyway sorry back to topic!
You have been here in the US for a month and are still eating at Denny's?? Haven't eaten there in decades, and also avoid IHOP. Look for local mom and pop restaurants for breakfast.You can find two decent breakfasts in the US for $22?!! I need that restaurant! . Just been in USA a month and even Denny’s was coming in at $50 for two (including taxes and gratuities) for a couple of omelettes and coffee, Admittedly free refills. Even the ‘super slam’ didn’t get me below $30 for two! . I spent a month on the ‘gas station’ diet!
A thank you. It was fine. Needs must as was at Indian Wells Tennis Competition… anything decent was >$500 a night so a cheap option with two beds, a big TV, on a bus route, at $80 for a night for 2, was playing straight to me. I love the old school USA motels. Right by a train line too, with 2 mile long trains going though which I loved watching too. I know! Oh and free coffee! And it’s close to greyhound bus stop too. Building up a picture of guy I am? What’s not to like!I hope you survived the Motel 6 in Indio. Other than that hoped you enjoyed the US.
I know! I quite like Denny’s in a retro sort of way (reminds me of my youth and the sheer thrill of something being open all night)! but was staying in areas where options were fairly small. Indio had very little and the second part, in Miami Gardens, had very little! It really was was the gas station, BK or Denny’s! And obv Dennys is 24/7 and the customers tend to be quite entertaining. They got these auto machine that deliver the food now! Not for me! Sadly no mom and pop options!You have been here in the US for a month and are still eating at Denny's?? Haven't eaten there in decades, and also avoid IHOP. Look for local mom and pop restaurants for breakfast.
@David I can just beat you! I am a bit of a cheapskate and I like my barista coffee and so my go to place for GOOD and CHEAP coffee in Auckland is my local BunningsHHmmm .. I am not sure. Here in Bath (UK) in the old Guildhall Market there is a cafe - really good one but 1960s style - that is the cheapest in the area ... I have been going there now and then since 1972 ... so beautifully old fashioned and a 'proper' cafe. I just checked online -
Two coffees - £3.90
Two juices - 2.70
Two cheese sandwiches - 7.30
Total of - £13.90 which in Euros is 16.25, add in the tip? and this is the cheapest in Bath, by a mile .. not that far off what you paid - but I would add in location of your cafe - you were pleased to find somewhere? last cafe for miles? and you didn't ask for the price list first? hhmmm ... well, Buen Camino.
Can I ask what Bunnings is? A store? A product?@David I can just beat you! I am a bit of a cheapskate and I like my barista coffee and so my go to place for GOOD and CHEAP coffee in Auckland is my local Bunningswho brew an excellent large Mocha for NZ$4 with my trade card (€2.24). I could get a small (Bunnings small size is normal cafe standard size) for NZ$3 (€1.68) but I like large. So I guess that two coffees would be €3.36. I don't buy juice or sandwiches at cafes and so I have no idea what those prices would be but probably not far off yours.
Bunnings (with trade discount) are unusually cheap for Auckland though, I suspect that they treat it as a loss leader to get the tradies in the store. I would usually pay anywhere from €3-4 each anywhere else.
On the other hand, I can't remember paying more than €1.50 for café sólo in Spain (I only ever found one place in Spain that did mochachinos) and often the café was less than one Euro and so it is possible to get the op's menu items cheaper than what they paid for them in Spain and I suspect that locals would probably be shocked at those prices.
You need to be an Ozzie or Kiwi although they did try setting up in the UK but it didn't go well over there, not enough DIY. Started and owned in Australia, one of their better exports.Can I ask what Bunnings is? A store? A product?
Overlooking the river in Vila Nova da Barquinha? That restaurant was abandoned for years, and recently re-opened by someone who teaches in the culinary arts college in Santarém. Nice food, and beautiful presentation!
Yes, that's the spot!Overlooking the river in Vila Nova da Barquinha? That restaurant was abandoned for years, and recently re-opened by someone who teaches in the culinary arts college in Santarém. Nice food, and beautiful presentation!
I’m not sure I’d fancy 1960s coffee at any price — it tasted like bath water!HHmmm .. I am not sure. Here in Bath (UK) in the old Guildhall Market there is a cafe - really good one but 1960s style - that is the cheapest in the area ...
What accident?It's funny how variable prices are even within our own lands. On the camino here in Germany last week - before my accident - I was paying €1.20 for a machine cappuccino or macchiato at the local bakery. Another €1.50. - €2 for a pastry to accompany it. €3 bought me a small filled roll. €7 for breakfast and lunch!
(Yes I know you can't compare a machine coffee to something made by a Barista - sadly there were none in town!).
I live 300 km away near Berlin. Here exactly the same thing would cost me 10 to 12 euros.
Location, location.
What accident?
I won't be walking for a little while..... .Day 17
Herlasgrun - Hospital (10.6km walked)
Total (2024) 165km
Yep, you read that right. Nope, it’s not the name of the next town - I’ve broken my ankle. They’re going to operate in a couple of hours, all going well.
Stepped off the trail for a quick break, 1m before rejoining it I stepped on a loose rock and over I went. Fortunately I was only about 100m from the road, and very close to Plauen, in which hospital I’m currently residing. The ambulance was super quick, and once they found the path (I could see the end) a couple of quick peep’s on my whistle brought them straight to me. Don’t have my charger, so much as I’d like to write more, gotta go. I’ll update you all in due course……
The sort of place where you pop in to buy one lavendar plant, one thing leads to another and you end up needing a trailer to get everything home. To avoid this I always take my small car (without a tow bar), never our ute, as that's a recipe for a massive overspend.You need to be an Ozzie or Kiwi although they did try setting up in the UK but it didn't go well over there, not enough DIY. Started and owned in Australia, one of their better exports.
The US equivalent would be Home Depot or Lowes. Not where you would usually associate good coffee.
This discussion has taken some interesting turns! Having now spent a fair bit of time in Iberia, in small local-type towns and in tourist areas, I would venture that signage for a camping/bungalow park would be a bit of a red flag, as far as food costs went, in its cafe. Parks like this are typically aimed at relatively well-off local tourists (i.e. middle-class and up, Portuguese and Spanish).Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
That is located in one of THE most expensive sections of the Coastal, and even the less costly places in that area are pricey.Hi
We are on the Camino and wanted to warn our fellow travellers to stay away from O MUINO camping/ bungalow Park.
They have signs on the road from Mougas saying pilgrim breakfast available, claiming to be the last one before Baoina.
There are no prices displayed anywhere always a bad sign.
Two coffees,two juice and two cheese sandwiches €22.60.
Thank you, @JabbaPapa. Finally, after 60+ posts, there is a post by somebody who has been to the restaurant O Muino Camping/Bungalow park and who can say something about how their prices compare to prices in other establishments in the area. It was worth the wait as far as I am concerned.That is located in one of THE most expensive sections of the Coastal, and even the less costly places in that area are pricey.
I had beers there, though I was careful to ask for the prices of the various options before ordering -- given the somewhat bloated prices for just the beer, which I paid eyes wide open, I refrained from ordering any solids. [...]
It's not really rip-off prices on that area of coastline, it's touristy ones. The nearby place on the opposite side of the road is even more expensive.
Actually, she's extremely progressive - I think she prefers a quick message via WhatsApp. Hang on, I've got the number somewhere....I thought display of prices were mandatory everywhere in European Union. You should write to Mrs Von der Leyen:
"Dear Ursula,
I am sad to tell you the following..."
"... I ordered breakfast in Spain without first looking at their price list or asking to see it and it was more expensive than I had assumed"?You should write to Mrs Von der Leyen: "Dear Ursula, I am sad to tell you the following..."
I think you mean "devastated".I thought display of prices were mandatory everywhere in European Union. You should write to Mrs Von der Leyen:
"Dear Ursula,
I am sad to tell you the following..."
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