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I tried to do a search on how people use their silk sleeping bag liners. Couldn't find much about how and why they are used...just that people bring them. I have one that I've had for years but rarely if ever used it. Seems to be a nuisance to stuff inside a bag. Maybe if it was really hot and that was all that was necessary to sleep in? I'm doing the Camino in May when it's often quite cool. I got it ready to pack and then thought "why?"
Why and how do you use yours? Thanks!
Perplexed in CA,
Laurel
In June you are much more likely to be hot. Albergues packed with people can get very hot. In June on the Frances I'd probably just take a silk liner.
@Kanga What a great idea! Love it!@Veronica Peace I have thin thermals rolled up in the bottom of my bag anyway - just plain black ones. Weigh nothing, work as leggings, pajamas, extra layer when cold.
There is a nice explanation here for why.
I used it in May 2013 as my only sleeping bag. I was never cold...if I felt at all chilly, I would put some clothes on top. My pillow was covered in my sarong and once inside my silk, I felt completely insulated from the world outside!! And the bed bugs, never saw one between Condom and Frómista.I tried to do a search on how people use their silk sleeping bag liners. Couldn't find much about how and why they are used...just that people bring them. I have one that I've had for years but rarely if ever used it. Seems to be a nuisance to stuff inside a bag. Maybe if it was really hot and that was all that was necessary to sleep in? I'm doing the Camino in May when it's often quite cool. I got it ready to pack and then thought "why?"
Why and how do you use yours? Thanks!
Perplexed in CA,
Laurel
As we do !We always have taken a silk liner, BUT, we put the sleeping bag in the liner. We were told that bedbugs do not penetrate silk. Our liner has a rectangular 'pouch' that accommodates the European pillows as well so when you do get a pillow you will have the liner next to your face, not the pillow. Whether this really does offer a barrier to bedbugs we really don't know but we've never been bitten. This year on the Caminho Portuguese we are only taking the liners and leaving the sleeping bags at home (May). Dayton and Karen
I tried to do a search on how people use their silk sleeping bag liners. Couldn't find much about how and why they are used...just that people bring them. I have one that I've had for years but rarely if ever used it. Seems to be a nuisance to stuff inside a bag. Maybe if it was really hot and that was all that was necessary to sleep in? I'm doing the Camino in May when it's often quite cool. I got it ready to pack and then thought "why?"
Why and how do you use yours? Thanks!
Perplexed in CA,
Laurel
Look at the Sea-to-Summit Reactor linerSo... What about two silk liners versus a sleeping bag?
My Camino will be completed by September 20 of this year and keep thinking I am right in the middle of liner versus bag.
Yes, Permethrin (buy at any sporting goods store). Some people don't like using insecticides. My research indicated that it is safe when dried (and I covered up good when spraying the liner and pack). I don't need to reignite that debate--to each there own.Hmmm. Never thought of a liner as bed bug prevention.
Do you spray yours with something?
No, I did not treat clothing (I would only do that hiking in the northeast where Lyme disease is a serious concern). The question is: where will the bugs be? Hiking in the forest, the danger is brushing a tick off from leaves or grass and it crawls up your clothing. For the Camino, the problem is just the beds in the albuergues. So I just treated sleeping bag liner and packs (if walking winter or shoulder seasons with a sleeping bag, I'd treat that as well). My understanding is that once dried, permethrin is reasonably safe for contact with skin. Others will disagree. I do not want to reignite that debate.I am familiar with Permethrin. I'm planning to spray the outside of my pack and sleeping bag with it but wasn't too sure about spraying anything that touches my skin like the liner. I know some people treat their clothing too. Did you?
There are entire lines of clothing that use permethrin.I know some people treat their clothing too.
I tried to do a search on how people use their silk sleeping bag liners. Couldn't find much about how and why they are used...just that people bring them. I have one that I've had for years but rarely if ever used it. Seems to be a nuisance to stuff inside a bag. Maybe if it was really hot and that was all that was necessary to sleep in? I'm doing the Camino in May when it's often quite cool. I got it ready to pack and then thought "why?"
Why and how do you use yours? Thanks!
Perplexed in CA,
Laurel
What would i need if i am starting my walk from sarria on 28th March and staying in albergues along the way. I stay in Asia and own a coleman sunrise c25 sleeping bag. It says suitable for temperatures of 25 degrees. Will that do since i am staying indoors.Besides the consideration of adding extra warmth, there are also other reasons, like the weight of silk (I have a silk liner and a polyester liner, and the one made of silk weights less) and also because of the bed bug thing. For what some people have told me (even here in the Forum), it seems that bed bugs don't grab so well to slik, than to other types of fabric.
I think that May might be a cold month too, mostly at night. But who knows, you might get lucky
Yes. Have fun!Will that do since i am staying indoors.
Thanks!Yes. Have fun!
I am familiar with Permethrin. I'm planning to spray the outside of my pack and sleeping bag with it but wasn't too sure about spraying anything that touches my skin like the liner. I know some people treat their clothing too. Did you?
Before I go completely mad and spray everything with permethron - You say that bedbugs can't walk on silk - do you know if that is just a "story" or "definitive"?I used a double size liner on many routes instead of a proper sleeping bag. It was summer and warm and there were blankets available. Suited me perfectly as lightweight and the story is that bedbugs can't walk on the slippery silk haha. I have so far never had a bite...
Great advice Kanga. Despite many nights of claustrophobic heat, I was surprised to find myself quite cold on a few nights in Early August 2 years ago. We will be back in August this year and I was debating whether to add a light sleeping bag or blanket to my silk liner, or, utilize my merino long sleeve shirt and purchase some similar leggings. As you say, they can be utilized in a variety of circumstances, whereas I don't see myself walking about wrapped in a sleeping bag! Thanks for helping with my decision. Now, for those oppressively hot, claustrophobic albergues, I guess I'll pack a fan - which I can also utilize for impromptu flamenco dancing!@Veronica Peace I have thin thermals rolled up in the bottom of my bag anyway - just plain black ones. Weigh nothing, work as leggings, pajamas, extra layer when cold.
Walked in both March and September. March weather was so varied that one night I used the bag next night the liner. September was a different story. The bag was just extra weight and even though I walked into October, the linerwas all I needed. My only complaint with the liner was it was the only item I had that I found difficult to get back into its stuff bag@Ahhhs This is a very good question and one that I've been pondering myself. I'm planning to commence my Camino Frances walk in mid June. I've read that it's best to take both a sleeping bag and liner regardless of whether your walking in winter or summer. Is that correct? Does anyone have advice for a summer Camino - sleeping bag & liner or sleeping bag & no liner or liner &no sleeping bag?
You might want to read this article. It suggests that there is no foundation to the suggestion. It appears to me that most liners claiming to offer protection appear to have been treated with either a repellent or an insecticide.Before I go completely mad and spray everything with permethron - You say that bedbugs can't walk on silk - do you know if that is just a "story" or "definitive"?
Thanks for clarifyingYou might want to read this article. It suggests that there is no foundation to the suggestion. It appears to me that most liners claiming to offer protection appear to have been treated with either a repellent or an insecticide.
We are starting in Lisboa around May 5 or 6 and walking the main route to Santiago and then on to Finisterre and Muxia. Have a great Caminho as well. DaytonAs we do !
Where do you start the Portugese and when ?
Maybe we will see you around ! We will start half of May next in Vilarinho this time and go as far as casa da Fernanda and from there instead of heading to Ponte de Lima we head for the coast to Viana do Castelo and from there walk the coastal.
Bom caminho
Bom caminho. Hope you enjoy the Portuguese as much as we did.We are starting in Lisboa around May 5 or 6 and walking the main route to Santiago and then on to Finisterre and Muxia. Have a great Caminho as well. Dayton
Jostony - its been a "known fact"(?) since the first World War when Australian and other forces often took advantage of any silk underwear (yes usually female) they found in bombed houses because lice and other parasites would not live in the silk. I have not seen any modern "research" to back up or dispute this "fact". Happy for some one with specific knowledge to correct.Before I go completely mad and spray everything with permethron - You say that bedbugs can't walk on silk - do you know if that is just a "story" or "definitive"?
Are you suggesting just "female silk underwear" is more comfortable or any silk! Can't see myself walking to Santiago in my wife's underwear!!Jostony - its been a "known fact"(?) since the first World War when Australian and other forces often took advantage of any silk underwear (yes usually female) they found in bombed houses because lice and other parasites would not live in the silk. I have not seen any modern "research" to back up or dispute this "fact". Happy for some one with specific knowledge to correct.
Personally I support the information contained in the link to Doug Fitz post - its just a lot more comfortable.
Cheers
Why not !Are you suggesting just "female silk underwear" is more comfortable or any silk! Can't see myself walking to Santiago in my wife's underwear!!
Whichever way I answer one that would get me into trouble - not least with my darling wife!Why not !
Not at all - it was just that "at the time"(1914-18) female underwear was more often silk and more likely to be available - not sure what the average French farmer/labourer wore!!Are you suggesting just "female silk underwear" is more comfortable or any silk! Can't see myself walking to Santiago in my wife's underwear!!
Didn't the French invent "l'amour " ? Silk underwear !etc. Or was the invention against "bedbugs "?Not at all - it was just that "at the time"(1914-18) female underwear was more often silk and more likely to be available - not sure what the average French farmer/labourer wore!!
I agree with joe.Laurel:
I always bring a liner. On cold nights I use it inside my sleeping bag and warm nights alone. I like the added aspect that the liner has a pillow cover to encase the Albergue pillows.
Ultreya,
Joe
I tried to do a search on how people use their silk liners
Why and how do you use yours? Thanks!
Perplexed in CA,
Laurel
It's a perfectly good word - means dirty and unpleasant.'manky'!
I don't think it's about consensus, more about a lack of objective evidence.So is the consensus that silk liners don't really repell bed bugs? That was that was the main reason I went with silk over cotten (liner). I would love to trade back if I still need the permethrin anyway...
I love my sleep system.
Sea to Summit silk Traveller liner with pillow insert, 0.36 lbs (165 G)
MontBell Spiral Down Hugger sheet, 0.85 lbs (385 G)
I unzip the down bag fully and use as a blanket. A total weight of 1.2 lbs.
$69 you no longer have for something else?Thanks for the link! This raises a question. What is the practical difference between a $6 silk liner and a $75 100% silk liner from REI??
Some years ago my now ex-sister-in-law worked in the government's trade department. She pointed out to me that men's trousers from the same production batch in an overseas factory were sold under several different brand names by different retailers with a price range from around $30 to over $100.Can't argue with that -- thought maybe difference in types or percentage of silk would effect the efficiency of liner.
Thanks Doug
I understand -- hence my question re: practical differences. Maybe someone has experience with both price points can comment on any differences they experienced. I'm all for finding the best bang for my buck.Some years ago my now ex-sister-in-law worked in the government's trade department. She pointed out to me that men's trousers from the same production batch in an overseas factory were sold under several different brand names by different retailers with a price range from around $30 to over $100.
This is not to say that there are no differences in material weight or quality, but that different pricing structures can yield quite different price outcomes.
Their 100% silk bag is 31$, and only comes in the regular single size, not the extra-large. Since they manufacture, they cut out the distributor and retailer, and since they don't have fancy marketing, that also helps keep the price down.Thanks for the link! This raises a question. What is the practical difference between a $6 silk liner and a $75 100% silk liner from REI??
I have been looking and not found them. If you are able to let me know of one I would be most grateful.FWIW, there are other Vietnamese silk vendors on ebay, some of whom do have the large/double liners.
If you read the description you will see it is not silk: "This unique model is made of an silk fabric using high quality synthetic fibers so it has silk satiny for softness as well as synthetic fibers for durability. 0 % POLYESTER = Much more comfortable sleep than FAUX SILK SATIN FABRICS (weight doesn't tell all, we are manufacturers and apply export standards and use the highest quality material)."Here is one wide liner I found: http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLACK-EXTRA...850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460fa7b912
I was walking in October/November and was very happy and warm with my silk liner and a small sleeping bag.
As already mentioned, the liner can be washed very easily and dries quickly.
I got mine from: http://stores.ebay.com/Spirits-of-Vietnam-Silk-and-Crafts
Buen Camino!
Domingee, were you able to find an extra wide one in silk? So far I have only been able to find the blend in the wider size. Thank you.Highly recommended but buy a bigger size as they're quite small.
mmmmmm....... Google doesn't recognize permyathin. Maybe it's a brand name or a spelling issue????? Several online sources for permethrin.
You might want to read this article. It suggests that there is no foundation to the suggestion. It appears to me that most liners claiming to offer protection appear to have been treated with either a repellent or an insecticide.
So is the consensus that silk liners don't really repell bed bugs? That was that was the main reason I went with silk over cotten (liner). I would love to trade back if I still need the permethrin anyway...
Walked in April/May...was quite cold in places and was not keen on using blankets in some albergues. I carried one which zippers all the way around as I dont like my feet tangled. I unzip put it as a bottom sheet between me and the matress and put my sleeping bag over my body. If im cold I can zip the sides leave my feet out at the bottom. Some albergues offer paper sheets and in this case Liner can also be used to give privacy and block light when you are in the bottom bunk. I hang my towel on one side (down by my foot) and my liner along the length of the bed So I dont get woken up in the middle of the night by those going to the bathroom or leaving the albergue in the early morning.Great site and good explanation of gear. I read several of their articles. Thanks.
Still wondering how many people actually do pack and use liners (with bags) regularly?
Everyone except me?
Laurel
That test only shows that the bedbugs in that case preferred to nest in down fill rather than silk fill. My guess is that it is because of the physical characteristics (fuzziness, walkability, etc.) of the materials. It doesn't demonstrate anything about the sleeping options for the camino. My quilts have no open seams where bedbugs can walk inside to test their preference for nesting material. There is no evidence at all that the bugs would be repelled by a woven silk liner.Hmmm....It may suggest that but the way the answer reads I feel it more likely suggest the person giving the answer has not done testing and is taking a guess.
Here is a video of a test performed with two types of bedding fills:
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