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Stunning! I'm really looking forward to seeing it in Autumn. Thank you form the post and photos
I see you did st Cuthberts 20 years ago. My sis and I are thinking we may do it next year. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that hike.Looks amazing. Can't wait to return!
Oh I so love this, no vegation, no scaffolding, bliss, thank you so much Ivan, FAB U LOUS
I miss the ferns...
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I’m so excited to see her without the scaffolding that was in place when I made my first Camino. I’m on my second Camino now. I’ll arrive in about 3 weeks. I can’t wait.Added July 12th:
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I know the botafumeiro has been swinging the last few weeks, so I don't thing that is a problem now..Ivar- I recall some question of whether the botafumiero will still be in use inside the Cathedral now because of work being done on it. Do you have any updates?
I have missed having the opportunity to do that again on my more recent Caminos. A very tangible link with so many millions who passed through that doorway before us. Somehow entering through a side door just doesn't have the same dramatic appeal. Perhaps it is a salutory lesson in humility...(I am resigned to the fact that I will never again be able to lay my hand on the pillar in the Portico, as I did in 1989.)
Wonderful. Thank you.I know the botafumeiro has been swinging the last few weeks, so I don't thing that is a problem now..
Wow, thanks for reminding me @Letsgocamino I forgot it was 20 years ago, how time flies.I see you did st Cuthberts 20 years ago. My sis and I are thinking we may do it next year. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that hike.
Wow! What a difference...have only ever see this under the shrouds. Looking forward to experiencing it's glory in October...thank you for postingAdded July 12th:
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Oh it looks spectacular. I must come back to see herAdded July 12th:
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Wow - so happy that I chose to do my Camino this year - will she her in full glory!Added July 12th:
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Gracias Ivar the Catedral looks so good and clean,can wait to go and see it.Added July 12th:
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Two visits and this is new to me. These pictures encourage me to focus on Camino #3!!!What a sight, in 5 visits we have not seen the real cathedral before. Thank you
Loved seeing the naked cathedral. Hope to be there mid-Oct. Can't waitAdded July 12th:
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I was one happy (if slightly naughty) pilgrim."
Hhmm. I actually ended my first Camino in November last year. I knew nothing about any Cathedral restoration until I got there. After 800km nothing was going to stop me. This is a copy of a section of my blog at the time. "The final thing, and for a pilgrim a very special thing, is to place your hand on the column in the portico where the big statue of St. James is. Millions of pilgrims have done this over the centuries and there are grooves in the stonework where those millions of fingers have rested. Sadly, restoration work is currently being carried out on the Cathedral and the entire front section of it is all locked away behind security boarding and scaffolding. These works are not due to be completed for another 4 years so pilgrims will not get access for a very long time and just have to live with it. However, those that know me well, know that to me, these are just obstacles to be overcome. My first furtive attempt at gaining access failed dismally as I got lost in amongst all the scaffolding and plastic sheeting before the sound of workers voices approaching made me do a runner. What I had found though, was an access door into that section that the builders clearly thought was secure. So, right at the end of one service, whilst the workers were still sitting around waiting for the all clear to carry on, I made my second attempt. Within 5 minutes of being undisturbed, working my way through a maze of scaffolding and protective boarding and plastic sheeting, I found it. There he was, and there was the column and hand position just waiting for me to place mine. I was one happy (if slightly naughty) pilgrim."
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I plan to be in Santiago on July 20th. Will I be able to see the botafumeiro swing?I know the botafumeiro has been swinging the last few weeks, so I don't thing that is a problem now..
Maybe, maybe not. There's no way to know ahead of time.I plan to be in Santiago on July 20th. Will I be able to see the botafumeiro swing?
Sorry but this kind of action really infuriates me! Imho you are not "slightly naughty" but very inconsiderate towards the cathedral, the Church as an institution and also towards the construction workers there. These men and women should not need to worry about a pilgrim with a sense of wrong entitlement to interfere with their work.
I really need an emoticon here " shakes head in bewilderment".
But indeed back to the topic : the restoration is gorgeous and I hope to see it in the autumn.
It is rare that someone shows such disrespect as @JaneFarmer does and brags about it publicly. Where to start ...Both @VNwalking and @SabineP hit the nail on the head in their reactions to @Jane Farmer 's post. It would appear that she is quite proud of herself, why is beyond me. As if walking 800 km entitles anyone to anything. Maybe it was just something to check off a bucket list. Camino: check. Hand on pillar portico: check.
For the time being, as of 27 July 2018, visits of the Portico de la Gloria will be possible for groups of maximum 25 persons with a duration of 15 minutes per visit. This will change in autumn 2018, when the portal will be encapsulated (to protect it from restoration works elsewhere in the Cathedral if I understand correctly) but it's not clear to me how the visits will be organised then and what this encapsulation entails.I am curious, can you get in through the front doors and enter through the Portico de Gloria, once again, as I did in 1989? Or do we still have to walk around to the side entrance I used in 2016?
(I am resigned to the fact that I will never again be able to lay my hand on the pillar in the Portico, as I did in 1989.)
Don't forget to tick off the 'share it on the blog'As if walking 800 km entitles anyone to anything. Maybe it was just something to check off a bucket list. Camino: check. Hand on pillar portico: check.
Indeed.It is rare that someone shows such disrespect as @JaneFarmer does and brags about it publicly. Where to start ...
Thankyou for your reply Vnwalking. I really do understand the selfishness bit. I also totally get the 300,000 thinking.
And you are proud of yourself??
Words fail me.
There are reasons to keep people away.
Please understand, if you can, that the selfish actions of one 'pilgrim,' if multiplied by 300,000 per year can seriously harm what authorities are trying to protect.
Sorry...back on topic.
Thank you Ivar. Indeed. The cathedral IS soooo gorgeous now!
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It certainly does Sabine.@Jane Farmer : ok.Let me make a comparison.
You own a house and a lovely garden full of flowers and fruittrees. You ask a contractor to do some major work on the house.
The contractor posts signs up for safety reasons.
How would you react if X-amount of passers-by would ignore the signs and find a way to your garden?
And then pick all your lovely flowers and steal all the fruit.
Just because they feel entitled?
Btw respect always goes both ways.
Hhmm. I actually ended my first Camino in November last year. I knew nothing about any Cathedral restoration until I got there. After 800km nothing was going to stop me. This is a copy of a section of my blog at the time. "The final thing, and for a pilgrim a very special thing, is to place your hand on the column in the portico where the big statue of St. James is. Millions of pilgrims have done this over the centuries and there are grooves in the stonework where those millions of fingers have rested. Sadly, restoration work is currently being carried out on the Cathedral and the entire front section of it is all locked away behind security boarding and scaffolding. These works are not due to be completed for another 4 years so pilgrims will not get access for a very long time and just have to live with it. However, those that know me well, know that to me, these are just obstacles to be overcome. My first furtive attempt at gaining access failed dismally as I got lost in amongst all the scaffolding and plastic sheeting before the sound of workers voices approaching made me do a runner. What I had found though, was an access door into that section that the builders clearly thought was secure. So, right at the end of one service, whilst the workers were still sitting around waiting for the all clear to carry on, I made my second attempt. Within 5 minutes of being undisturbed, working my way through a maze of scaffolding and protective boarding and plastic sheeting, I found it. There he was, and there was the column and hand position just waiting for me to place mine. I was one happy (if slightly naughty) pilgrim."
How fantastic. We never knew it existed. You were obviously very determined, and it clearly meant a lot to you well done. We got to do everything else though so we were happy with our Camino conclusion.
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Don't worry, it will be back. If there is anything to be certain of in this life is that nothing can stop the green in Galicia.I miss the ferns...
Wrong again.If I have made a mistake, it has to be in posting it here.
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This picture was from our first Camino and arrival in Santiago in April 2014. We have been back to Santiago in 2016 and 2017 after other Camino's.
Excited to see the cathedral again late September after our Camino Primitivo.
HaHa...my wife is the cute one I just bask in her glow of cuteness...lolWhat a cute couple!
That is the most ridiculous comparison imaginable. Steel things? lol. I don't know what country you are from but you need to think about the words you use before commenting.
Sadly, all your judgements are so totally wrong they are laughable.
All I experience here is the toxic side of people who sit in judgement.
Fortunately you can't unload all your issues on me because I have more Camino friends and support than you could even dream of. I feel sorry for you. As one friend says, 'ignore all the temple guards and keyboard warriors'. They are ten a penny.
I will now leave this toxic place to its own misery and block the group from here. I hope you learn something from a Camino one day. Goodbye.
And in 'real life.'My judgement is that this forum contains some of the most caring, sensitive, helpful, and loving individuals that I have ever experienced in social media.
Sorry , you have no respect what so ever .Hhmm. I actually ended my first Camino in November last year. I knew nothing about any Cathedral restoration until I got there. After 800km nothing was going to stop me. This is a copy of a section of my blog at the time. "The final thing, and for a pilgrim a very special thing, is to place your hand on the column in the portico where the big statue of St. James is. Millions of pilgrims have done this over the centuries and there are grooves in the stonework where those millions of fingers have rested. Sadly, restoration work is currently being carried out on the Cathedral and the entire front section of it is all locked away behind security boarding and scaffolding. These works are not due to be completed for another 4 years so pilgrims will not get access for a very long time and just have to live with it. However, those that know me well, know that to me, these are just obstacles to be overcome. My first furtive attempt at gaining access failed dismally as I got lost in amongst all the scaffolding and plastic sheeting before the sound of workers voices approaching made me do a runner. What I had found though, was an access door into that section that the builders clearly thought was secure. So, right at the end of one service, whilst the workers were still sitting around waiting for the all clear to carry on, I made my second attempt. Within 5 minutes of being undisturbed, working my way through a maze of scaffolding and protective boarding and plastic sheeting, I found it. There he was, and there was the column and hand position just waiting for me to place mine. I was one happy (if slightly naughty) pilgrim."
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Ah grace: when we get what we need exactly when we need it. Thank you for this lovely post, @Pray'nwalk .Today was one such day, and I found these magnificent photos of the cathedral, which drew my heart to yearn for another walk in Spain. I just want to say "Thank you," to Ivar, and to all who contribute so thoughtfully to the various threads on the Forum. You renew my faith in the goodness of human nature, and confirm my efforts to be the best person I can be. Thank you, all.
Sorry but you still don't get it .Hello
Thankyou you all for your replies.
One thing I don't have is some kind of tick box list as those that know me will testify. If some of you are fixated on that, then each to their own.
As for respect, again you couldn't be more wrong. I have more respect than you can ever imagine. It meant so much to me and I wasn't sure I would have the chance again. I won't criticise any of you for thinking that as I am only too aware that you have no knowledge of my Camino and what happened to me on the way...you are just swinging out wildly.
If I have made a mistake, it has to be in posting it here. I guess I didn't realise how people would judge so quickly without knowing anything, and that post on its own did not help.
Although not pleased to see them, I suppose I should expect remarks like those. The world is full of critics and forums have their share of views on things that can be delivered brutally and without respect or thought.
My Camino was a wonderful thing and so totally spiritually uplifting. I met some wonderful people and made friends that will be lifelong.
I am sorry, but you cannot spoil it for me. I wish you all well on you walks.
Buen Camino
Jane.
Thankyou for the wonderful pictures. The Cathedral is looking truly amazing.
Back on topic, the staircase appears to be open with a guard in the plaza controlling traffic. Does anyone know what is open now around the Portico de Gloria?
Back on topic, the staircase appears to be open with a guard in the plaza controlling traffic. Does anyone know what is open now around the Portico de Gloria?
Ah grace: when we get what we need exactly when we need it. Thank you for this lovely post, @Pray'nwalk .
And yes...aren't @Ivar's photos gorgeous?
@Ivar or anyone in Santiago...pretty please...are any pics possible of the Portico de la Gloria, now that it's open?
The line was very long today, going out almost to Praza de Fonseca.
It gives them joy and emotion. When it is too worn down, put up a new one. To hide it, and to protect it is akin to putting plastic covers on furniture so as not to get them dirty and worn. The furniture stays nice, but is never truly comfortable to use and lacks enjoyment.
Well, in all reality it really is just stuff. Things. Material possessions and made by humans and replaceable. Whether it is the pillar in question, or the Venus, and yes there is actually somewhere a person (his name may not be Bob) that could make an exact duplicate of the Venus, or any of the well known art pieces.I empathize with where you are coming from and am hardly in much of a position to be "holier than thou" about it, since I, too, put my hand in that spot (albeit in 1989, before people were being asked to refrain). But I think there is a distinction between this sculpted pillar and a sofa that is worth noting.
The Portico de la Gloria is a work of art, not a mass produced piece of furniture. It is considered one of the masterpieces of romanesque sculpture in the world. When it is "too worn down" it cannot be replaced. It will be gone forever. It was sculpted to be seen. Protecting it does not interfere with its performing its intended function.
When I read the quote above, it sounds to me like someone saying "My kids would love to clamber on the Venus de Milo and really get to physically experience it. It would give them joy and emotion. But those nasty people at the Louvre have guards and ropes to prevent that. Let them clamber! If it falls down and breaks, we can just replace it. I'm sure my cousin Bob could whip them up a sculpture just as good. To protect it is wrong! It will stay nice, but people won't really enjoy it."
Well said Sabine .@RJM I do not consider myself as an elitist at all and yet I do care about the artistic and cultural value of pillar and cathedral.
Btw I do take offense of your wording about " the masses".
But yes if treasuring our cultural heritage is considered as being elitist? It is my sincere idea that it is just our moral obligation.
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