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Search through the posts from @davebugg he has some very good gear recommendations and evaluations.
Would also suggest trying Hoka One One Speadgoat 4 (for the reasons you mentioned)Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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The great gift of this continuing pandemic is that you probably have time to wear through a pair of each before your next camino.
And now for a serious thought - You might want to check if these models are sold in Spain, because you may need to replace them before you reach the end of the VDLP, and you might prefer to wear a model that you can replace like for like.
Would also suggest trying Hoka One One Speadgoat 4 (for the reasons you mentioned)
With reference to your weight lost posts, I can't suggest strongly enough that you use the time to build strength. You may find that body issues you are looking for a podiatrist or shoe to solve become much less relevant. It is hard work but life changing IMHO.Yes I've done that.
I was just seeking feedback on these two models.
@davebugg recommends the Hoke One One (various models)
I've yet to try those.
But I have been in touch with the company and it's been hard to find one of their shoes with a high enough drop for me. I need a higher drop due to tendon issues.
But I might end up trying those too.
I was so comfortable with my boots I'm really anxious about changing to trail runners.
So I might get 2 or 3 different ones to try out.
300 kms along the trail is too late to find out I don't like them
With reference to your weight lost posts, I can't suggest strongly enough that you use the time to build strength. You may find that body issues you are looking for a podiatrist or shoe to solve become much less relevant. It is hard work but life changing IMHO.
Looking for a shoe to fit the body (foot fit is importantGood point. My Caminos to date have involved 'surviving'.
i.e. holding my body together long enough so I can make it
Looking for a shoe to fit the body (foot fit is important) is a short term solution. The benefits of general Musculoskeletal strengthening allows you to change your body over time - injuries are also much reduced. Worth investing in a consultation with a good strength conditioning expert. A year's preparation before your next Camino will be a great time frame to making incredible changes.
Where do a find a strength conditioning expert? Didn't even know that was a thing.
Is that a type of Physio or a type of personal trainer?
It was a personal trainer that caused by original achilles problem
Home - Sydney Strength Conditioning
Joint mobility, heath and longevity. Bodyweight and free-weight strength coaching, including traditional lifting. Sports-specific coaching.sydneystrengthconditioning.com
Feet/shoes are so individual that you really have to try and find what suits you best. For myself, this is Hoka One One Speadgoat 4, my current pair is in fact the fourth. They are incredibly comfortable, light, and go well on gravel as well as on asphalt. I ordered them online directly from Hoka, where they are more expensive but their service is impeccable. (I ordered a half-size too large and had to return and replace them, no hassles, and within a few days. Oz might take a bit longer)Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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I've done 2 Caminos in On Running shoes (a discontinued model, unfortunately). I love them! Super comfortable, durable, quick-drying. The concept of the tread is great. Highly recommend.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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tldr: Saucony seems to be cheaper and more readily available in Spain.Looking at Decathelon now.
The sand in australia is probably shark-infested. Definitely deadly.there's sand in Australia right?
I concur with this plan but I am basing the two-shoe decision on the surfaces encountered along my path. I am currently planning on Lisbon-Santiago camino in spring of 2022. The first portion of this trek is on hard, flat walkways ... sidewalks, roadways, boardwalks ... that point to shoes that are better suited for these surfaces. The latter part is more natural trails that indicate a different type of shoe. With a year to go, both pairs of shoes can be broken in prior to leaving the USA. I'm a newbie & open (and appreciate) all suggestions.If you find a pair of shoes you like then buy and break in a second pair and bring them to Spain with you. Mail them to yourself general delivery to the town at the halfway point. Or, maybe better, to Ivar who might, for a few euros more, ship them fast to wherever needed. That way you could fully wear out one pair and maybe go home with one without too much use.
Please check out New Balance.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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My current shoes are: for hard surfaces: old & heavy New Balance ?? (already on hand), and for trails, Altra Lone Peak 5 (on order). My feet are very wide ... EE ... so room in the toe box is important.I concur with this plan but I am basing the two-shoe decision on the surfaces encountered along my path. I am currently planning on Lisbon-Santiago camino in spring of 2022. The first portion of this trek is on hard, flat walkways ... sidewalks, roadways, boardwalks ... that point to shoes that are better suited for these surfaces. The latter part is more natural trails that indicate a different type of shoe. With a year to go, both pairs of shoes can be broken in prior to leaving the USA. I'm a newbie & open (and appreciate) all suggestions.
Your choices have been reviewed in the following link, it may be interesting to you.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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I bet you have read that everybody is different my friend . I have always used trail runners. Just recently (I see you have checked it out) in the discussion that was started by our gear guru @davebugg. I wrote that I hate to change whatever works for me. My wife has suffered with knee problems for many years and a few years ago had surgery on both her knees. She was still having problems even just after walking 20-30 minutes. I got on the forum and saw how many people raved about Hoka One on One. I bought her (I believe) The Rincon. She says they are like walking on air. She loves them and they are very light. They have made a big change. Recently I bought a pair of Speedgoat 4's. They are great and I love walking in them. But even though I am surrounded by cobblestone streets and they absorb the shock better than my Brooks Cascadias that I have worn for all my caminos I am still going to wear the Brooks (I know you too want to walk the VDLP) from Sevilla. I have never had problems with them and have a minimal number of blisters over the years. My head tells me that I should wear the Hoka's but my heart and Camino gear neurosis makes it difficult to make rational decision especially, as all of us knows anything that has to do with our Cinderella feet.Yes I've done that.
I was just seeking feedback on these two models.
@davebugg recommends the Hoke One One (various models)
I've yet to try those.
But I have been in touch with the company and it's been hard to find one of their shoes with a high enough drop for me. I need a higher drop due to tendon issues.
But I might end up trying those too.
I was so comfortable with my boots I'm really anxious about changing to trail runners.
So I might get 2 or 3 different ones to try out.
300 kms along the trail is too late to find out I don't like them
I'm always skeptical when I see soles that have holes through them. Just the kinda place a pebble will lodge in I think. Just my opinion.tldr: Saucony seems to be cheaper and more readily available in Spain.
In my experience, Decathlon's range is limited and leans to its in-house brands, such as Quecha and Forclaz clothing, B'Twin bicycles, etc. These products tend to be cheap and durable, but not "best in class," in terms of materials, design, or technology. If you want to smell bad before second breakfast, try one of their synthetic base layers.
Saucony's Spanish online shop has the Peregrine 11s at 140 EUR
The website also points to official retailers in Seville and Salamanca on the VDLP:
Store Locator - Saucony
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Since Saucony is part of the same group as Merrell, I guess you may come across their products in other stores.
I have read that the typical life of trail shoes is 500 to 800km. Salamanca is about 500km along the VDLP (roughly half way), it may be a suitable place for a planned change of shoes. If I were in your shoes (haha), I'd call ahead to confirm they have your size in stock:
DEPORTES CHACHE
Lugar
CL/BERMEJEROS,52-54
SALAMANCA 37001
Contacto
923 212318
Should they be out of stock, and you think that you'll need a change of shoes at some point before you reach Santiago, you would still have the option of ordering online and getting them delivered to a hotel in Zamora, for example. (Take rest days in Salamanca and Zamora in any case).
ON's Spanish website features the CloudUltras on its landing page. They're 190 EUR
ON's official retailers are not on the path that you will walk ... unless you continue north on the VDLP after Granja instead of turning left at the junction with the Sanabres:
AVENTURA DEPORTES
CALLE SAN ANTON VIEJO 7, BENAVENTE, ZAMORA, 49600, España
34980638389
Walking to Benavente would not be out of the question ... you can turn left there and cut across to join the Sanabres at Santa Marta. but overall I think it's "advantage Saucony" in terms of price and availability of replacements in Spain.
Back to my original post, I expect you do have time to walk a few hundred km before you start the Camino, so you might as well buy one pair of the models on your shortlist straight away and start assessing them under real world conditions.
I'm always skeptical when I see soles that have holes through them. Just the kinda place a pebble will lodge in I think. Just my opinion.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Not a problem on these new On Cloud soles. The old models though...I'm always skeptical when I see soles that have holes through them. Just the kinda place a pebble will lodge in I think. Just my opinion.
I'm always skeptical when I see soles that have holes through them. Just the kinda place a pebble will lodge in I think. Just my opinion.
Yes, I noticed that high price too. However, if that is the best (or only) shoe to give freedom from pain while you walk long distances, and you can afford it, it is money well spent. Better to skip a dinner out, or something else, and spend the money on walking shoes. Some of us have no trouble with shoes, but others of us really do! Few women's shoes are available in Wide widths. I would spend an extra $100 with no regrets to make my feet more comfortable.I can not see the need to spend over $200 on any pair of trail runners for any Camino,
Our feet sound like twins. I am back to my third pair of Brooks Ghost. I had to go without waterproofing (I wanted it for wet winter traiing) and they only provide adequate cushioning for about 800 km, but they are the most comfortable for me. I simply would not be able to walk the same distances with most shoes.Feet are so individual that personal comfort and fit is everything.
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I have tried most of the shoes recommended here and none of them worked for me - not one.
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I have a size 38 length foot, with a wide forefoot, short toes, very high arch and narrow heels....
metatarsal issue...
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...I had eventually to order my usual Brooks
I have a size 38 length foot, with a wide forefoot, short toes, very high arch and narrow heels.
I ordered mine wide as I do for my Brooks also. Whenever I take my Brooks out for a 5, 6 or more week walk I buy a size larger and wide. Amazing how my foot slowly but surely fills them out nicely.Quick note on the Hoka Speedgoats - they (and some other models) are now available in a wide fitting, that's D for women and EE for men. Not that women have to buy the women's version ... I have been walking in Speedgoats for years now, they are light, cushy, stable and have a part vibram sole that makes them last longer than the Cliftons and Challengers. I have the non-waterproof ones and take a spare pair of insoles to switch in if they get wet. The shoe in itself dries very quickly. They have the Nidarosa seal of pilgrim approval. YMMV.
Just looked ... My older New Balance shoes are Model 608V4. There are enough miles on them to know they work well & they would also be good for commercial travel over. These are listed as Cross Training shoes & are a little heavy but have proven to be easy on my feet. The Altra Lone Peaks are my current choice for Trail Runners.My current shoes are: for hard surfaces: old & heavy New Balance ?? (already on hand), and for trails, Altra Lone Peak 5 (on order). My feet are very wide ... EE ... so room in the toe box is important.
Hi RoboHi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Well said @Anhalter. There are always exceptions of course and our feet are all different and important to insure a successful walk. I am fortunate that I have been able to wear most any trail runner with no problems.@Camino Chrissy Shoes are the single one item i would not care for what it costs. A Camino can easily cost a couple of thousands, depending were you have to travel from (and sometimes: lost income). If my shoes are not perfect, the experience will be vastly worse. I'd rather go cheap on anything (or everything) else.
edit: that does not mean that more expensive is always better of course.
@Camino Chrissy Shoes are the single one item i would not care for what it costs. A Camino can easily cost a couple of thousands, depending were you have to travel from (and sometimes: lost income). If my shoes are not perfect, the experience will be vastly worse. I'd rather go cheap on anything (or everything) else.
edit: that does not mean that more expensive is always better of course.
Hello,Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Hello,
I use Trail Runners Salomon 3D PRO (old model)
New model is XA 3d PRO. It was nice to walk. Alco quick dry after rain. No blisters!
I can’t speak for all brands of trailHi Robo
I have faced a similar issue as the weight difference between boots and walking footwear is substantial. My heaviest are Meindl Butan great in snow and mud but weight almost 2 kgs.
Apart from sandals, the Europeans have some purpose built walking shoes. The ones I like are Hangwag which I have had resoled, they weight about 800 grams.
The name "trail runners" conjures up in my mind running shoes for cross country and similar. So are they designed for long distance walking? I know people swear by them however my worry is that there might be unintended consequences in the long run (no pun intended). I know this will be heresy for some!
Good luck
Mark
So that's one pair for every 530 miles, or in km one pair for every 853 km - so one pair should last an entire Camino, especially since you saidI used 5 pairs of trail runners on my thru-hike of the 2,650 mile long Pacific Crest Trail.
Only one pair was truly trash-worthy when replaced; the other 4 pair had some good life left to them
Theres plenty of examples where one pair lasted for a Camino. Mine included. Thats not to say that every pair of trailrunners is good for 800 or 1000km however. This might even be different for the same shoe worn by different people.So that's one pair for every 530 miles, or in km one pair for every 853 km - so one pair should last an entire Camino, especially since you said
I agree, that's why I wrote should instead of will.Theres plenty of examples where one pair lasted for a Camino. Mine included. Thats not to say that every pair of trailrunners is good for 800 or 1000km however. This might even be different for the same shoe worn by different people.
The name "trail runners" conjures up in my mind running shoes for cross country and similar. So are they designed for long distance walking? I know people swear by them however my worry is that there might be unintended consequences in the long run (no pun intended). I know this will be heresy for some
So that's one pair for every 530 miles, or in km one pair for every 853 km - so one pair should last an entire Camino, especially since you said
Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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I walked in the Hoka Bondi runners from SJPDP to Burgos. Super comfortable and I didn’t miss the lugged sole. Have two knee replacements and needed something with cushioning.I have thought about getting lighter shoes but I have always had concern whether it would reduce the cushioning effect of heavier shoes/boots. Whilst they would be Ok walking locally the added weight of the rucksack etc would put greater pressure on my feet/knees/hips and I would feel the ground underneath. Let us know how you get on. I am marginally overweight but in view of my height, I still weigh over 15 and a half stones.
If your budget permits buy both models a size larger than you buy for street shoes. As you train alternate which shoe you wear so that , say, on Monday shoe A, Tuesday shoe B, Wednesday shoe A, etc.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Hi Robo! I love my Sauconys. They are lightweight and snug. I wear a US 12 mens NARROW. Saucony never rub or slip. NO blisters. I'm 65 year male and have been hiking all my life, usually in Solomon or Columbia boots. But for urban hiking it Saucony Trail Runners all the way!! Buen Camino Amigo!Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Hi RoboHi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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I have thought about getting lighter shoes but I have always had concern whether it would reduce the cushioning effect of heavier shoes/boots. Whilst they would be Ok walking locally the added weight of the rucksack etc would put greater pressure on my feet/knees/hips and I would feel the ground underneath. Let us know how you get on. I am marginally overweight but in view of my height, I still weigh over 15 and a half stones.
Yes, @davebugg has debunked the ankle support theory of most boots in the past.And I think it was, @davebugg, who did some research on boots v trail runners and was of the view that boots don't really provide much more support. Maybe he can verify that?
I really like the Saucony Peregrine and was planning on walking in them on the Camino. I like the rock plate and I haven't slipped at all in the 2 years I've been wearing them.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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I read something similar when I chose Altra Lone Peak. I believe that the weight saving on feet is disproportionately higher than the weight saving one could make on cutting pack weight.Hmm Dr Google tells me that Altra Lone Peaks are 300g lighter per shoe than Vasque light boots. So 300g x 80 steps a minute x 60 minutes x 6 hours a day is 7000 kilos more weight a day for a boot versus a trail runner. Yikes ! Someone please point out I’ve had too much Vino and done the math wrong.
I read something similar when I chose Altra Lone Peak. I believe that the weight saving on feet is disproportionately higher than the weight saving one could make on cutting pack weight.
Counteverything is a Camino science-based YouTuber - I might have seen it there rather than read it.
You will always have a risk, but you can much improve your chances of ending up with the right runners if you...Hi GUYS!
In the minefield!
As at the moment i am a SPONGE; in the sense i am learning and have no prior knowledge of Camino!
I wear walking boots everyday have done for over 20 years! (on hard level surfaces;but my favs have poor traction on an other surfaces.I walk through every summer heatwave no blisters) but i only average between 5 and max 8 miles a day i wear two layer merino s thick socks.
I had decided upon non waterproof trail runners (though not sure which model) because a lot of people on hear put forward, what i deemed good reasons for wearing them;including the large numbers of boots abandoned on the trail!
My main concern is to avoid blisters at all costs!!!!
Then along comes this guy in the video above who puts forward the case for fabric boots with gortex as being the best option and poo poo's the idea that heat is a problem in boots, and weight on the foot is more tiring and burns a larger amount of energy so i am confused as to which camp to heed!
I know you pay your money and take a chance;but so many different choices and opinions befuddle my brain.
I also think the choice is made harder by the fact that here in the UK you can buy and try a pair of shoes/boots in a shop or from online but how do you test them in the real World!!!
You can wear them indoors on carpet;but cannot return them if marked i had this problem with a pair of Hoka Stinsons i had literally walked up the concrete garden path in?
Woody
I have the Hoka Stinson ATR Love them. I tried the Hoka speedgoat but they had a too narrow toe box. The Stinson have a quite wide toe box.Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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I bought the cloud ultras for my Camino 2 years ago. By the time I got to Roncesvalles one of my knees was agonising so an unpleasant crawl as far as Pamplona, where I went to buy new shoes. The shop owner was less than impressed with the Ons, saying that they had no support and were just not suitable for the Camino. I ended up coming away with a pair of very reasonably priced Joma treks ( and very good advice) and after a couple of days to let my knee settle, walked the rest of the way to SdC without difficulty. Happy days!Hi Everyone.
After 3 Caminos in Salomon Boots, I'm going to convert to Trail Runners.
I love my boots and have never had a blister in them, but sadly I need to change.
Due to bad knees, I need to reduce the weight on my feet.
I've been along to a Professional Sports Footwear store for some fittings.
They take an hour per person measuring and trialling different types of shoes and sizes!
I'm looking at 2, and wondered if anyone had experience of these.
The On Cloud Ultra. (yet to try this one, they just called to ask me to come and try it)
Or the Saucony Peregrine. I really liked this.
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Love the guy’s video and the calculator. However I disagree with the logic. You support weight in your knapsack and lift the weight in your shoes. 2 different things. Lifting your foot thousands of times a day is different than supporting weight on your back much of the time by your skeletal structure.Love that guys channel
Here's one on boots v shoes
Not sure I agree on his views about footwear weight though.
your Camino shoes must be comfortable right away...Eliminate shoes that give you the slightest irritations, they never get better
Not all Vibram soles are the same. They make soles for different conditions. I have some "water sandals" with Vibram soles which are excellent on slick surfaces.I'm surprised people like the Vibram soles for camino.
I find them so *hard and slick*.
When I was in the USMC I broke my ankle and had steel pins in it for over a year. I have been wearing hiking boots for over 40 years now and like the little extra ankle support I get. I'm well over 70 now and the ankle support is the most important feature of my foot coverings. It would be nice to reduce the weight but it will probably never happen.I have felt the same. Though all the research I do seems to point at trail runners. Most Thru Hikers use Trail Runners now I think. Well According to Jessica 'Dixie' Mills. (great channel)
I have also had 2 or 3 physios (along the Camino) tell me to use lighter footwear.
And I think it was, @davebugg, who did some research on boots v trail runners and was of the view that boots don't really provide much more support. Maybe he can verify that?
I still love my boots, but even walking around the local area recently in them, I can feel the added 'pull' on my bad knees.
Boots are more rigid in comparison to trail runners, which affects the characteristics of the sole. I used to slip with boots (Hanwag Yukon with Vibram Fuora) in situations when my runners (Hoka with Vibram Megagrip) would be rock-stable and sticky. Moreover, as pointed out by @trecile, there are different Vibram soles.I'm surprised people like the Vibram soles for camino.
I find them so *hard and slick*.
I had them on a pair of Scarpa boots (that I otherwise loved, and which remain my preferred climbing and approach shoe) and they wore down really fast and were very slippery on any kind of hard surface when it was wet. Thinking of the paved trail between Burguette and Zubiri, the shale hills heading from El Acebo to Molinaseca... the descent in Mos...
I like a stickier sole for anything like that.
Sage words Señor Dave. What good is durability when you have shooting pain in your foot or have developed crippling blisters.I do not let longevity of footwear determine what I wear. I focus on on comfort of the footwear's fit and feel, and what the overall energy expenditure will be in using them. Then I consider what the conditions are expected to be like (cold, snow, ice). From there, I make my decision.
Yes it should and your shoe could last almost any camino length!So that's one pair for every 530 miles, or in km one pair for every 853 km - so one pair should last an entire Camino, especially since you said
My Hoka Speedgoat last almost exactly 2 Camino Frances if I don't use them in between, and on condition that I consume some 3 glasses of good Tinto on the way every evening. (This provides balanced wear of the soles)IF you have a choice between several equally-comfortable shoes, then you might start comparing slight differences in weight, longevity, waterproofness, etc. But until you reach that comfort decision, all of this analysis is academic. (Still good entertainment, though.)
I consider myself lucky to find one or two pairs of very comfortable shoes. I take them to an indoor shopping mall for a brisk 20-minute walk around the mall, comparing them for comfort. A preference (in terms of comfort only)usuallyalways becomes obvious. If any discomfort emerges, I return them to the store (having already confirmed that they will accept such returns). If the shoes seem good after the mall walk, then I'll try them on longer outdoor walks. Even if they fail the distance walking test, I have a pair of shoes that is good for normal use.
I tried an ankle brace but boots did better.Boots are more rigid in comparison to trail runners, which affects the characteristics of the sole. I used to slip with boots (Hanwag Yukon with Vibram Fuora) in situations when my runners (Hoka with Vibram Megagrip) would be rock-stable and sticky. Moreover, as pointed out by @trecile, there are different Vibram soles.
Wearing said runners, I never had any slipping incident on my past 3 Caminos, regardless of terrain or weather. In fact, I was recently surprised how well they hold up even on ice and snow (I have no commercial interests or ties with any of the mentioned brands)
@MisterH
The OP asked for info about lightweight runners. I can only recommend you try them out. Good hi-tech runners are surprisingly sturdy and give you excellent support while being so much more comfortable than boots on trails like the Caminos, where rocky conditions are rare.
Your shortlist looks great! And don’t worry too much about the gravel, happens rarely and when it does, you’ll have a great excuse to make a bar stop...or to get rid of boring companySo many choices of Footwear!
I've done as much research as I can online, but ultimately I'm going to need to just try some.
So a 3 shoe trial is coming up.
What happened to me?
For my first Camino in 2015 I walked into our local outdoor store.
I told the sales guy what I needed the footwear for.
He just said "try these". As he handed me a pair of salomon boots. (my current style)
I asked him if I should try a few alternatives ?
His response?
"Sure you can, but you'll only come back to these"...........which I did of course.
3 Caminos later, I still love them.
But as explained above, I 'need' lighter footwear now.
So suddenly I'm researching all manner of footwear and have about 30 styles + to choose from.
maybe I should just go back to that store
But. I have done my short listing and will head out in the next week to get 3 pairs of shoes to try out!
Unless they fail any comfort test right in the shop!
It will probably be:
I think these will give me a fair test in terms of different styles and features.
- Hiking Shoe. SALOMON XA PRO 3D V8 GORE-TEX MENS BLACK. These are the shoe version of my current boots, which I love for fit and comfort. And never had a blister (touch wood) So they have to be in the trial. And Yes they are Gore-tex. I don't care! I don't like wet feet. With care and proper airing during the day, my feet stay dry. These are tried and tested for me over 2,000 kms..... 370 g 8 mm drop
- Trail Runner. HOKA ONE ONE SPEEDGOAT 4 (Or Stinson ATR). I think a Hoka needs to be in the trial, as so many people use them. that's reason enough. The 'wisdom of the crowd'. And of course @davebugg says they are good
.. 335 g 4mm drop. - Trail Runner. SAUCONY PEREGRINE 11 GORE-TEX MENS. I have tried a pair of these and really liked the fit. Great soles, width, sturdy. (and they have a rock plate) As they have a Gore-tex version I'll get those. (I like gore-tex footwear, did I mention that). 365g. 4mm drop (might be too low for me)
Though the Salomon drop of 8mm might suit me better.
My current boots are Saloman X ULTRA 3 MID GTX SHOE MEN'S
558 g and 11 mm drop (and I put 4mm heel wedges in those too for achilles problems)
My only concern moving from a boot to a shoe might be debris getting into the shoe. Fine gravel and stuff. So I might use an Ultra light gaiter if that happens.
And I might find the much lower drop over time aggravates my Achilles. (with the Trail Runners)
Only time will tell.
But reducing 200 g of each foot sounds like a really good idea!
On my very short local walks in my boots, I feel the weight of the boots 'pulling' on my bad knees.
It will probably be:
- Hiking Shoe. SALOMON XA PRO 3D V8 GORE-TEX MENS BLACK. T
- Trail Runner. HOKA ONE ONE SPEEDGOAT 4 (Or Stinson ATR).
- Trail Runner. SAUCONY PEREGRINE 11 GORE-TEX MENS.
My Quest continues.
Did you have a chance to look at the Inov8 ? I am really happy with mine (Roclite G 290), but they have other models with less drop and wider toes (Terraultra). From their website, there seems to be a specialist store in Sydney called Pace Athletic, they'll likely have other brands in stock aswell. Maybe visit them sometime?
(assuming the Sydney in your profile is still valid, AUS seems to be funny in terms of distances)
edit: Pace, judging from there online store, might actually not have them in stock. There seems to be another online(?) store called wildfiresports, that does have them and seems to offer free returns if you don't like them
Yes I'm with you on that, trying shoes from online sites makes for a long and frustrating experience of weeks per shoe - waiting with keen anticipation for the courier, then the disappointment of finding out they dont work, and then the hassle of getting them sent back , all the while still shoeless. Such a roller coaster of hope and despair.Thanks, I'll check them out.
I've looked at a few online stores, but I just don't see how that is going to work.
3 different shoes, it's unlikely I'll get the sizing just right.
So a size either way just to try on.
9 pairs of shoes, 6 to be returned.
Whilst I now buy 95% of everything online, I think for shoes, I need a shop.
As with walking companions.......With shoes/boots and packs, if it doesn't fit, don't commit.
It is easier to change a group walking companions than it is to get well broken shoes/boots when on the Camino (unless you started from home with them).As with walking companions.......
Hi @Robo. First, you deserve a solid gold medal for your wonderful work on giving yourself a boost for a lighter, longer life! next, I have scrolled through and read a lot of the posts. Then I was distracted with an incoming email. So now, what did I intend to say to you? There are many nuggets of wisdom in many of the responses. Your feet will tell you. I think it was Pepi who said, the best places are the shops that have lots of experience and expertise in the kind of walking you plan to undertake. I have adverted previously to one such - or may be two - one in Dublin, but that is useless to you, and the other one is called Muga, in Pamplona. They know their stuff. I could go on about the cheap runners my walking companion used for the CF, and the oft repeated Meindl shoes I wear day in and day out in real life because they are like manna from heaven if that can be translated into shoes! Someone else said: pay no attention to labels, tell the people in the specialist shop what you want to use the shoes for. You have time so be patient, go local, and all the very best - your feet will be so thankful for all the effort you have put into lightening their load!
The renowned Altra Lone Peak is available in Oz at https://www.altrarunning.com.au/
I might check them out.
Though what I am finding, is that the shoe might be shown on a retailers website, but that does not mean they have it in stock near me.
Someone at 'Athletes Foot' head office (big retailer here) told me that online product availability is shown on a National basis!
i.e. That shoe in my size, might be in stock, 2,000 miles away!
Or as previously experienced, I found a shoe that was great (Saucony), but the shop did not have my size.
And they can't get any more stock from Saucony.
Contacted Saucony....... no stock in my size anywhere in the country.......
Maybe I'll fly to the US to but my shoes?
LA is the closest point for us.
Any good outdoor footwear stores in LA?
As they say 'First World Problem'.
I have my trusty boots if all else fails.
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