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I got some at the vegetarian albergue El Serbal y La Luna, in Pieros. Very nice friendly place. They have a wood burner too, which was great after a long walk in the rain.It was the Marmite that got me to click on the thread, not the poles--thinking you had information about where to find it in Span.
I'm a pole fan, but almost threw them away for the first few hours of walking with them. Hate turned to love. Just like Marmite. You have to have an open mind sometimes.......
Great resource, Nuala, thanks!
I got some at the vegetarian albergue El Serbal y La Luna, in Pieros. Very nice friendly place. They have a wood burner too, which was great after a long walk in the rain.
Marmite is probably against TSA security regulations.
Actually you are close to the mark - its the FDA (Food Drug Agriculture) people who "look" at it. For us Aussies they are reported as being anti our mandatory travel food Vegimite!!Marmite is probably against TSA security regulations.
Yes, I would often stop using the trekking poles when I got to a town and a long stretch of concrete, and carry them instead.I am a total convert... The first time I walked Camino, in 2009, I had recently recovered from a very traumatic and damaging fall. I found the extra stability reassuring. I did find it necessary to overcome feeling like a "wally" using them, (especially in training in suburban Liverpool). Now I would never walk without them. I from time to time carry them in my hand, folded down, walking through a town, or on long stretch of tarmac. I found it well worth the slight extra to get carbon fibre poles some time ago. They are extremely light. The clack-clack noise (of others!) annoys me and I do carry rubber tips (and spares) for using on the tarmac or concrete. I think they are about €3 for a pair at Decathlon.
It seems very odd to me. Where did they confiscate them on landing - as you walked off the plane, through immigration, or what? Or do you mean that they were not allowed on the next flight?My poles were confiscated in Madrid when I landed.
Confiscated after arrival in Madrid? That really is strange and makes no sense that they did that. I mean, they are not illegal to buy and own in Spain, and you can buy another set there. Take your poles upon arrival, yet you can buy another set at the nearest outdoor store?Just make sure you check them in your bag. My poles were confiscated in Madrid when I landed. Had to buy replacement poles along the way.
TSA in Dallas didn't stop me from carrying in my backpack. I had a connection in Madrid. They said I could not carry poles in my backpack. They said I could check them but I didn't have time for that so they kept the poles@DanielH: Wow, bummer. You were able to get the poles through TSA but they were confiscated when you landed? A new wrinkle...
And another reason to be play it safe no matter what the official security message is where the flight begins.
Yes they we're not allowed on the connecting flightIt seems very odd to me. Where did they confiscate them on landing - as you walked off the plane, through immigration, or what? Or do you mean that they were not allowed on the next flight?
After many years of walking without poles, I became a firm (pacer) pole convert last year.
I'm sorry this happened to you, Daniel.They said I could check them but I didn't have time for that so they kept the poles
I don't know about Spain...though I would guess it is similar to thisI'm sorry this happened to you, Daniel.
As @Smallestsparrow says...the rules are not uniform internationally, so word to the wise.
BTW, does anyone know what happens to all those poles that get confiscated at the airport in Santiago? They could probably set up a shop with the number of sets they take off naive homeward-bound peregrinos.
Sometimes people get lucky and they don't get stopped... in the current example, it was a US flight,
The current example was a connecting flight from Madrid, not "a US flight." Saying that "sometimes people get lucky" and "TSA is clear" does not accurately reflect what I have read on the forum.
Certainly people should be prepared for having poles rejected as carry-on on any flight, although many people have carried them without problems. There is not much more information that we can accurately add, and the discussion can get a bit heated!
Excuse me while I go untie my panties.
P.S. It was the juxtaposition of poles and marmite that brought me to this thread.
I read the article a couple of times. Good stuff. Thanks. But the type of walking discussed is different to what for some is a crazy marathon called Camino. Relatively short walks in admittedly varied and challenging terrain as described in this hiking article is one thing. Plodding on for weeks on end was a unique challenge for me and seemingly for many others whose posts I've read. There are very many stories here about persevering beyond the call of duty into pain territory. Even the mighty Mark Lee had to soldier on after damaging his knee. Props, Mark.I came across this article about the pros and cons of walking with poles: http://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/page.php?id=8837. It has some useful guidance about using poles and on different techniques for different types of terrain.
After many years of walking without poles, I became a firm (pacer) pole convert last year. I now can't imagine walking without them, but the suggestion about not using them all of the time probably makes sense.
For those not familiar with the world of Marmite (point no.5) - the reference is to the 'love it or hate it' ads for this vile substanceA bit like hiking with poles - some love it, some hate it.
On my CF I used Mueller knee straps across both ACLs every day as recommended by a friend. One time, rushing a descent to Molinaseca in a rocky gully as it was getting dark, I twisted my leg, sharp pain in shin bone at the end of the twist, but pretty sure I avoided a break or a knee twist by that much. Glad I had poles and the knee straps. I had visited Caminoteca in Pamplona on the way by. He sold the larger above-and-below-knee stretchy braces, but not the ones I used. He said mine were better but nobody used them. Like the lady sang "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone..."I had done the CF before without trekking poles, and never had a problem and really didn't care for them, with all that click-clack noise they make and such.
On my last CF I overdid it the first few days and strained the ACL in my left knee (damn, I don't ever want to do that again....never). In Puente la Reina picked up a pair of trekker poles for 24 euros. Those cheap poles saved me arse on the CF. Got me to Santiago. I'm a bit of a convert.
As far as Marmite? I worked overseas for several years and a lot of our security guys were Kiwis. Of course some of them had Marmite. Tried it once on toast. Ummm, not a convert. ha ha
My rubber tips lasted from Saint Jean to Finesterre!I always use one pole and love Marmite.....
Just my 2 cents...
I saw on the Primitivo everyone with poles and I started off with no clacking sound because of the rubber tip. That tip was gone on day 8 and the clicking started but I liked it...grin.
thank you. I definitely would recommend checking your bag if you want to take poles. My next call is to REI as to why $150 poles were able to be replaced with 18 Euro poles that were just as good. LOL. Lesson learnedI'm sorry this happened to you, Daniel.
As @Smallestsparrow says...the rules are not uniform internationally, so word to the wise.
BTW, does anyone know what happens to all those poles that get confiscated at the airport in Santiago? They could probably set up a shop with the number of sets they take off naive homeward-bound peregrinos.
Buen Camino, Albertagirl!! Happy to know you're still out there, with your Marmite!I am almost to Santiago
That's the same brand I have, and I did carry one of the singular strap variety with me on the CF and ended up using it after I strained my ACL. Sometimes it seemed to help, sometimes not.On my CF I used Mueller knee straps across both ACLs every day as recommended by a friend. One time, rushing a descent to Molinaseca in a rocky gully as it was getting dark, I twisted my leg, sharp pain in shin bone at the end of the twist, but pretty sure I avoided a break or a knee twist by that much. Glad I had poles and the knee straps. I had visited Caminoteca in Pamplona on the way by. He sold the larger above-and-below-knee stretchy braces, but not the ones I used. He said mine were better but nobody used them. Like the lady sang "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone..."
Mike
I used two of the single strap type (left). As far as I know, the single ones are used mainly as a preventative measure, though not certain about that. I met a few people who were using the double strap type - but they were all being used on previously damaged knees. The single was surprisingly comfortable. In the beginning I expected this type to maybe hinder circulation, but by the end of each day I had forgotten I was wearing them. They're velcro-adjustable, as you know. When you've got them on, it's obvious how they hold the ACL from moving out of alignment. I expect the single type might be uncomfortable on a damaged knee because all its pressure goes right across the ACL.That's the same brand I have, and I did carry one of the singular strap variety with me on the CF and ended up using it after I strained my ACL. Sometimes it seemed to help, sometimes not.
I now have both the single strap and the double strap type. Are these what you use?
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Have you ever used the types (see photo) of knee braces that cover the whole knee? This is just one example. There are many on the market, and a bit difficult choosing one.I used two of the single strap type (left). As far as I know, the single ones are used mainly as a preventative measure, though not certain about that. I met a few people who were using the double strap type - but they were all being used on previously damaged knees. The single was surprisingly comfortable. In the beginning I expected this type to maybe hinder circulation, but by the end of each day I had forgotten I was wearing them. They're velcro-adjustable, as you know. When you've got them on, it's obvious how they hold the ACL from moving out of alignment. I expect the single type might be uncomfortable on a damaged knee because all its pressure goes right across the ACL.
Edit: For those not familiar with these straps, the single has a rubber sausage-like insert which applies pressure in a narrow band across the ACL. The double is all flat stretchy bits which spread the pressure and mainly brace the whole knee joint. Each type is velcro-adjustable.
I'm pretty sure I avoided injury by using these straps, will never walk without them in future.
The first time I used poles was during a couple of practice hikes before the Camino. I have Pacer Poles, which I love. They feel so natural, and there really wasn't much of a learning curve.
I read the article a couple of times. Good stuff. Thanks. But the type of walking discussed is different to what for some is a crazy marathon called Camino. Relatively short walks in admittedly varied and challenging terrain as described in this hiking article is one thing. Plodding on for weeks on end was a unique challenge for me and seemingly for many others whose posts I've read. There are very many stories here about persevering beyond the call of duty into pain territory. Even the mighty Mark Lee had to soldier on after damaging his knee. Props, Mark.
I had some problems before I left for my CF earlier this year. Maybe I was lucky because I was already in damage control mode before I left. I decided that the 10% or more effort reportedly transferred to the upper body through walking poles was worth the minimisation of wear and tear on feet, ankles, joints over the long run. That, it seems to me is the key phrase - "over the long run".
Mike
You think Marmite a 'vile substance'?
Remarkable, quite remarkable.
"When walking in a group with the poles held idly in your hands, take care not to spear your friends."[/QUOTE
you can delete your own replies and rewrite them....Oops, messed up the above. Sorry, Wokabaut_Meri, makes it look like you are a Marmite hater. Can an admin fix my goof? Thanks!
you can delete your own replies and rewrite them....
I am pro Marmite AND Vegemite and 2 pole with rubber tips. On my second CF segment last minute I threw my full knee brace with articulated hinges into my pack in case my bad knee gave me trouble. Instead I suffered patellar tendonitis in my good knee but thank goodness I woke up with it after I was done with my CF. My tendonitis was so severe that I couldn't put weight on the knee for two weeks and had to use crutches but the pressure of the sleeve felt great when I wasn't attempting to walk!Have you ever used the types (see photo) of knee braces that cover the whole knee? ...Hope I'm not hijacking this thread too much with bits about knee braces, but I suppose it is a legit topic for older pilgrims, and or pilgrims with bad knees from prior injuries.View attachment 30083
I actually don't know any expats here and I forgot to ask @timr to bring me one when he came last Friday. But maybe it also wouldn't get through customs in on-board luggage with TimAsk your local expats ;-) Do you have an 'expat shop' or an expat forum or FB group? They will know for sure! Buen Camino, SY
I've only used the single strap ones. Because I never suffered a knee sprain, I always regarded them as a deterrent. Luckily I've never had to choose a larger type of brace. They do look as though they would restrict movement, but having heard many stories (yours sounds particularly unpleasant) about knee injuries, I'm very glad to have taken the trouble to use the single straps on both knees every day. There seem to be a few different types of the larger ones. The one in your picture looks kind of stiff and restricting to me. The ones I've seen that I think look more comfortable have a small hole for the patella which I guess keeps the whole thing in position, then wider straps which reach around the leg well clear of the knee, above and below the joint. The ones I've seen that look not too uncomfortable seem to be made of non-bulky, very flexy neoprene. I guess the best type of this full brace to use would depend on the severity of the injury. I'm pretty obsessive, so I'd try at least a couple of different models. But a knee injury can probably cause lingering problems if not managed correctly - I'd hunt for expert advice. I know a very good physiotherapist who treats football players! Who has more mangled knees than football players?! - I'd find somebody who deals with that.Have you ever used the types (see photo) of knee braces that cover the whole knee? This is just one example. There are many on the market, and a bit difficult choosing one.
Although my knee is now healed up and I'm working it out regularly, I've thought about getting one of these to bring on the Camino. My only concern is that they appear to maybe restrict movement too much.
Hope I'm not hijacking this thread too much with bits about knee braces, but I suppose it is a legit topic for older pilgrims, and or pilgrims with bad knees from prior injuries.
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Right, it's time for me to confess that I've never actually tasted marmite. My opinions are based on how it looks and smells. Maybe I should be brave and give it a try. Or maybe not.
Mike, I think you'll find https:marmitemythsmadetrue.com that it was invented to ensure that the guys who re-paint the Forth of the Fifth Bridge are never un-employed. They merely leave a jar at one end of the bridge and by the time they reach the far end all the paint they have applied has retreated in horror.It was originally invented to strip paint off the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
Ahahahahaha, that's hillarious, now I really have to try itMake sure you're standing still when you taste it. Otherwise, after your face de-scrunches, you might discover that you've been temporarily blinded and have walked into a wall. Also, it's so very very salty that you must be within crawling range of a large body of water. The salt might also increase your blood pressure. I consider Vegemite/Marmite to be life-threatening. It was originally invented to strip paint off the Sydney Harbour Bridge. You spread some M or V on toast, rub the toast on the bridge, stand clear, everything peels off back to the bare metal. There is absolutely no surviving aquatic life in Sydney Harbour after a worker dropped a piece of toast off the bridge in 1972. Since that day, the salinity of the world's oceans has increased 17%.
Make sure you're standing still when you taste it. Otherwise, after your face de-scrunches, you might discover that you've been temporarily blinded and have walked into a wall. Also, it's so very very salty that you must be within crawling range of a large body of water. The salt might also increase your blood pressure. I consider Vegemite/Marmite to be life-threatening. It was originally invented to strip paint off the Sydney Harbour Bridge. You spread some M or V on toast, rub the toast on the bridge, stand clear, everything peels off back to the bare metal. There is absolutely no surviving aquatic life in Sydney Harbour after a worker dropped a piece of toast off the bridge in 1972. Since that day, the salinity of the world's oceans has increased 17%.
If they were giving Marmite away free, I am afraid I wouldn't pick it up, though of course I would to oblige a friend! But I would say just stick with the aceitunas manzanilla rellena anchoa (and the tinto).I actually don't know any expats here and I forgot to ask @timr to bring me one when he came last Friday. But maybe it also wouldn't get through customs in on-board luggage with Tim
But we do have Spanish shop where I buy a bottle of tinto or a can of aceitunas manzanilla rellena anchoa from time to time
I actually don't know any expats here and I forgot to ask @timr to bring me one when he came last Friday. But maybe it also wouldn't get through customs in on-board luggage with Tim
But we do have Spanish shop where I buy a bottle of tinto or a can of aceitunas manzanilla rellena anchoa from time to time
That is a great compliment. Thanks.I would never ever consider you a DailyMail reader! SY
That is a great compliment. Thanks.
Sugar??? Isn't it salty???I'm a Kiwi (obviously).
Grew up on marmite (obviously).
Did not like Vegemite.
Could definitely tell the difference between the two (proven in blind tests to unbelievers).
Went (almost) sugar-free.
Switched to Vegemite because it has much less sugar than Marmite (2.2g VS 11.9g/100g)
Acquired a taste for Vegemite.
Still a kiwi.
We have Marmite at Peaceable, available in small amounts to passing pilgrims. Patrick uses it. He pours a thin film of good olive oil on toasted bread, then adds Marmite. It is his contribution to Anglo-Hispanic unity.
I came across this article about the pros and cons of walking with poles: http://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/page.php?id=8837. It has some useful guidance about using poles and on different techniques for different types of terrain.
After many years of walking without poles, I became a firm (pacer) pole convert last year. I now can't imagine walking without them, but the suggestion about not using them all of the time probably makes sense.
Marmite is made from beef stock surely. Maybe you mean vegimite from New Zealand.I got some at the vegetarian albergue El Serbal y La Luna, in Pieros. Very nice friendly place. They have a wood burner too, which was great after a long walk in the rain.
Marmite is made from beef stock surely. Maybe you mean vegimite from New Zealand.
Anyone, how should I store it? I guess not in the frigorifico as it would be very sturdy then. Or?
EDIT: So I won't be completely off-topic just let me say that I think I know everything about walking poles
Upright in the EU winter or summer?I suspect that the same applies to the Antipodean stuff, except that you need to keep the jar upright standing on its lid
It was the Marmite that got me to click on the thread, not the poles--thinking you had information about where to find it in Spain.
I'm a pole fan, but almost threw them away for the first few hours of walking with them. Hate turned to love. Just like Marmite. You just have to have an open mind sometimes.......
Great resource, Nuala, thanks!
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